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Siri Hacked to Run on an iPod Touch and iPhone 4

r.j.s said:
Most likely. JBing is one thing. Stealing Apple software and distributing it will likely draw out the lawyers for copyright infringement.
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And you can bet they would be all over it.

BaldiMac said:
And infringement is theft. This isn't rocket science.
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Not everywhere. A lot of countries have different laws, remedies and legal branches for infringement and theft because they are not the same.

Morally speaking I can't argue - ultimately you're thieving someone's commission.
 
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can you speed up how fast Siri dictates a message? because from all I've seen I can definitely read a message faster by just looking at it
 
skinned66 said:
Not everywhere. A lot of countries have different laws, remedies and legal branches for infringement and theft because they are not the same.

Morally speaking I can't argue - ultimately you're thieving someone's commission.
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Again, my original statement used the word stealing colloquially. It was not a description of a specific statutory offense.

As an aside, the common law definition of theft would encompass copyright infringement.
 
AaronEdwards said:
Apart from being quoted in blogs all over, it can also be found on apple.com in what looks like material for older iPhone models (The 3G and 3GS).

Now the sentences may have been changed in material for later models or they may also have been removed.

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Here's the quote used in the iPhone 4 documents:


Notice that "Apple will provide you any iPhone OS software updates that it may release from time to time, up to and including the next major iPhone OS software release following the version of iPhone OS software that originally shipped from Apple on your iPhone, for free." is gone.

Now "Apple, at its discretion, may make available future iOS Software Updates for your iOS Device."

A serious downgrade of their commitment.

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The quote from the iPhone 4 documents are also used for the iPhone 4S documents.
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I'd imagine a change was required due to them having more models available - the 3GS now ships with iOS5, so under the old agreement, someone who signed a contract/purchased a brand new 3GS today would have an unrealistic expectation to get iOS6. The new terms are more than likely there to remove that expectation.
 
8CoreWhore said:
http://www.macgasm.net/2011/02/24/apple-charge-facetime/
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Following the link in that article (and a link in the article after it about the N-enabler issue that Apple says is because of SOX), I started reading comments. This was what one commenter said:

pixelchruncher said:
Re: Apple ships 802.11n base station and software
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They're required by law to do it, plain and simple. Those who say it is BS don't understand this law - which is fine, because it is new.

Actually, people who think that it is required by law don't understand the law:

Quote:

Just this week, Lynn Turner from the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) declared that Apple's excuse for charging the feegenerally accepted accounting principlesdid not require the company to charge "jack squat."
"GAAP doesn't require you to charge squat," she said. "You charge whatever you want. GAAP doesn't even remotely address whether or not you charge for a significant functionality change."
Edward Trott, a member of the Financial Accounting Standards Board (who comes up with the aforementioned rules) said that "No, GAAP doesn't tell you to do anything. You need to work out your transaction with your customer, and GAAP will tell you how to reflect your transaction with that customer."

http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars
Now there are a variety of reasons Apple may be doing this, but either they don't understand the law themselves, or they are lying.
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andrewlgm said:
Siri will run on the 1st iPhone ever released - the only limitation being the edge network. Siri's a software which records your voice, sends it over to a server to do the decoding, and sends it back to you with the response. The reason why the iPhone 4 does not have it is simple - "profit." The same reason why the original iPad had its camera removed at the last minute. So people will upgrade and upgrade and upgrade. I don't blame them - but I also won't refrain from calling their douchiness.
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You forgot that the iPod touch 3rd Gen had its camera also removed at the last minute. :p

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zensunni said:
Re: Apple ships 802.11n base station and software
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so DON'T buy it . . . the all TWO dollars of it
. . less than a mocha at Starbucks
maybe we could have a Telethon or something for all those people that really "need" the upgrade but can't afford it somehow (while having been able to afford the hardware)

Many of us take issue with this for several reasons:
1) Apple has falsely said GAAP requires it. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/23/applegaapupdateconfusion/
2) When possible to add functionality to hardware with flash-upgrades, the standard has been to provide them for free.
3) This opens the door to Apple for them to starting charging for non-essential (i.e., non-security) OS updates between major releases.
If Apple started charging for $1 for non-essential updates, would you say, "it's less than a mocha at Starbucks"? If you think it would never happen, have a look at Cisco. If you think it would never happen at Apple, remember how .Mac used to be free?
And whether you think the amount is insignificant is irrelevant to whether we have a right to challenge it.
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I agree with him too. And now, anyone remember FaceTime?

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rmwebs said:
Ditto. Its quite shocking how narrow minded some people can be. I love Apple, but I dont have wet dreams about them! Some people cant understand basic facts, like "Apple were NOT the first to come up with a touchscreen smartphone" or "Apple are NOT good at doing online services".

Its ok to be a fan and still be critical!

Then we get all the kids, silently down voting....as if that does anything other than back up that we've got a bunch of childish members.

Edit: See what I mean....pathetic.
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I got so annoyed with these down voters I've actually installed a Safari extension to get rid of ratings in MacRumors. Here it is: https://sites.google.com/site/davesdevsite/home/extensions-list
 
Do you remember.?

Everyone keeps bashing Apple because they say that Apple could have put Siri on their older iDevices, or that Apple is just using Siri to market the iPhone 4S. Well, let me pose this question... From the iPhone 3G to the iPhone 3GS, what were the killer upgrade features.? Let me post some of them here:
  • Compass
  • Video Recording & Better Battery Life
  • Faster CPU & Processor
  • Faster Download Speeds (for Internet) & Voice Control
Now, Let's look at the iPhone 4S's upgrade from the iPhone 4:
  • Siri
  • Faster Processor and CPU
  • HSPA+ (GSM iPhones)
  • Better Battery Life (Theoritically)
  • Corrected Antenna Issues
  • Proximity Sensor Fix
  • Upgraded Camera (1080p Capture) & World Phone

Now let me point this out... Remember when Apple had the iPhone 3G updated to iOS 4.0? Do you remember how SLOW and UNRESPONSIVE the phone became.? iSpeak from personal experience. iGLADLY updated to the iPhone 3GS afterwards. Thing is, Apple doesn't want a repeat of iOS 4.0 on the iPhone 3G. Now, obviously, we see the iPhone 4 can support Siri, but it isn't as fast and everyone knows that Apple strives for perfection. So if you're going to continue to degrade Apple because of their decision, you can do one of three things... You can A. Keep your older iDevice and stop complaining; B. You can upgrade to the iPhone 4S; or C. You can switch to Android. In any case, all the complaining won't make Apple change its mind. iMean how long have we been complaining about how stale the home screen is now and the lack of widgets on the screen.? We've been complaining about it for YEARS.! Have they changed it, yet.? No. So stop complaining. They're a company who's main goal is to make products their customers will love (4 million iPhone 4S's sold in 1 wk.) and make money. They seem to be doing both pretty well. :)
 
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JoeiiApple said:
Everyone keeps bashing Apple because they say that Apple could have put Siri on their older iDevices, or that Apple is just using Siri to market the iPhone 4. Well, let me pose this question... From the iPhone 3G to the iPhone 3GS, what were the killer upgrade features.? Let me post some of them here:
  • Compass
  • Video Recording
  • Faster CPU & Processor
  • Faster Download Speeds (for Internet) & Voice Control
Now, Let's look at the iPhone 4S's upgrade from the iPhone 4:
  • Siri
  • Faster Processor and CPU
  • HSPA+ (GSM iPhones)
  • Better Battery Life (Theoritically)
  • Corrected Antenna Issues
  • Proximity Sensor Fix
  • Upgraded Camera (1080p Capture) & World Phone

Now let me point this out... Remember when Apple had the iPhone 3G updated to iOS 4.0? Do you remember how SLOW and UNRESPONSIVE the phone became.? iSpeak from personal experience. iGLADLY updated to the iPhone 3GS afterwards. Thing is, Apple doesn't want a repeat of iOS 4.0 on the iPhone 3G. Now, obviously, we see the iPhone 4 can support Siri, but it isn't as fast and everyone knows a Apple strives for perfection. So if your going to continue to degrade Apple because of their decision, you can do one of three things... You can A. Keep your older iDevice and stop complaining; B. You can upgrade to the iPhone 4S; or C. You can switch to Android. In any case, all the complaining won't make Apple change it's mind. iMean how long have we been complaining about how stale the home screen is now and the lack of widgets on the screen.? We've been complaining about it for YEARS.! Have they changed it, yet.? No. So stop complaining. They're a company who's main goal is to make products they're customers will love (4 million iPhone 4S's sold in 1 wk.) and make money. They seem to be doing both pretty well. :)
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As the Siri on the iPhone 4 proves none of the work is done on the phone. Everything is shipped off to Apple's servers. It could run just as easily on the 3G with no issue because it does not use the phone to do any of the work.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
As the Siri on the iPhone 4 proves none of the work is done on the phone. Everything is shipped off to Apple's servers. It could run just as easily on the 3G with no issue because it does not use the phone to do any of the work.
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You're missing the point of my post. You're doing exactly what iWas saying not to do. People are complaining about Siri not being on older iDevices and to no avail. Sure, Siri could work on older iDevices, I'm not disagreeing with you there. iThink iEven said that in my last post.
 
JoeiiApple said:
Everyone keeps bashing Apple because they say that Apple could have put Siri on their older iDevices, or that Apple is just using Siri to market the iPhone 4S. Well, let me pose this question... From the iPhone 3G to the iPhone 3GS, what were the killer upgrade features.? Let me post some of them here:
  • Compass
  • Video Recording & Better Battery Life
  • Faster CPU & Processor
  • Faster Download Speeds (for Internet) & Voice Control
Now, Let's look at the iPhone 4S's upgrade from the iPhone 4:
  • Siri
  • Faster Processor and CPU
  • HSPA+ (GSM iPhones)
  • Better Battery Life (Theoritically)
  • Corrected Antenna Issues
  • Proximity Sensor Fix
  • Upgraded Camera (1080p Capture) & World Phone

Now let me point this out... Remember when Apple had the iPhone 3G updated to iOS 4.0? Do you remember how SLOW and UNRESPONSIVE the phone became.? iSpeak from personal experience. iGLADLY updated to the iPhone 3GS afterwards. Thing is, Apple doesn't want a repeat of iOS 4.0 on the iPhone 3G. Now, obviously, we see the iPhone 4 can support Siri, but it isn't as fast and everyone knows that Apple strives for perfection. So if your going to continue to degrade Apple because of their decision, you can do one of three things... You can A. Keep your older iDevice and stop complaining; B. You can upgrade to the iPhone 4S; or C. You can switch to Android. In any case, all the complaining won't make Apple change it's mind. iMean how long have we been complaining about how stale the home screen is now and the lack of widgets on the screen.? We've been complaining about it for YEARS.! Have they changed it, yet.? No. So stop complaining. They're a company who's main goal is to make products they're customers will love (4 million iPhone 4S's sold in 1 wk.) and make money. They seem to be doing both pretty well. :)
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What everyone keeps forgetting is that SIRI was an APP ! ! ! And it worked on all iOS devices and you could download it from the APP Store ! !

Only on Oct 16th did they shut down its capability.

Siri isn't hardware. I had it before Apple even bought the App.

Apple is being lame here and you if you can't see that then you are too brainwashed into being an Apple Zombie that arguing with you is useless
 
Mr. Gates said:
What everyone keeps forgetting is that SIRI was an APP ! ! ! And it worked on all iOS devices and you could download it from the APP Store ! !

Only on Oct 16th did they shut down its capability.

Siri isn't hardware. I had it before Apple even bought the App.

Apple is being lame here and you if you can't see that then you are too brainwashed into being an Apple Zombie that arguing with you is useless
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iHad the Siri App. So iKnow what you mean. iEven remember launching the app (a couple days before iOS 5) and it said it would be "Going home", soon. It's like this, though. Apple bought the Nuance application and made it BETTER. On the app, you couldn't ask it to make you a reminder, or text someone for you, or write you a note. So what you're saying is true in the instance that is WAS an app, but now it's not. Now what are you going to do about that.? Become a developer for Apple.?
 
kevm said:
Another reason Apple might not be including Siri on older hardware might be licensing. If Apple is licensing the voice recognition system from Naunce that licence may not cover old hardware.
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And once again... Apple doesn't license if they don't have to. They walk into the owner's/CEO's office and say: "How much for your company?" So done with the company providing Siri and they accepted. That means, if anyone else wants it and Apple agrees, they have to pay licensing fees to Apple. Apple owns it and does not get charged.

To the whole thing: I understand the server issue and did not believe their cr*p about hardware restrains the moment I updated the iPad 2. Keep in mind it has the same hardware PLUS the processor is 1GHz instead of 800MHz. If it was a hardware issue, then why does the iPad 2 get such a cr*ppy update:

1: No Siri
2: Notification center hangs there in the middle of the upper screen, no enlarged font with a feel of a beta fix.
3: Notification center does not include weather
4: Notification center does not include stock market

I mean, if any of the devices would have extra space for that kind of information, it would be the iPad, but the iOS 5 update for this device seems to feel butchered. I would understand no Siri support, but at least the rest. :cool:
 
Why bother. Vlingo is almost as good

I don't get it wasting time hacking Siri when Vlingo is almost as good in IPhone4. There are better things to hack out there :)
 
KPOM said:
Alternatively, it could be a sign that they don't see another "major" update to iOS for a while (i.e. nothing that would warrant an 'iOS 6' designation).
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No, the change came with the iPhone 4.

Terrified said:
I'd imagine a change was required due to them having more models available - the 3GS now ships with iOS5, so under the old agreement, someone who signed a contract/purchased a brand new 3GS today would have an unrealistic expectation to get iOS6. The new terms are more than likely there to remove that expectation.
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No, the original text promised you upgrades up and until the "the next major iPhone OS software release following the version of iPhone OS software that originally shipped from Apple on your iPhone". For the 3GS, that would be iOS4.

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The change is that Apple no longer promises to provide any updates or upgrades. It's as simple as that.

Now I doubt that this, in the near future, will change anything. But for some reason Apple thought that promising their consumers minor updates and one major upgrade was too much.

Edit: missed the "your", Terrified was correct about the problems with keeping that wording. (Wasn't necessary to remove it all though, Apple could have just modified it.)
 
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AaronEdwards said:
No, the original text promised you upgrades up and until the "the next major iPhone OS software release following the version of iPhone OS software that originally shipped from Apple on your iPhone". For the 3GS, that would be iOS4.
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The 3GS originally came with iOS 3. It currently ships with iOS 5 according to the Apple Store.
 
JoeiiApple said:
iHad the Siri App. So iKnow what you mean. iEven remember launching the app (a couple days before iOS 5) and it said it would be "Going home", soon. It's like this, though. Apple bought the Nuance application and made it BETTER. On the app, you couldn't ask it to make you a reminder, or text someone for you, or write you a note. So what you're saying is true in the instance that is WAS an app, but now it's not. Now what are you going to do about that.? Become a developer for Apple.?
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I can't believe I am taking the time to respond to you. Your last sentence makes no sense AT ALL !

But....

Actually I was able to make it create Calender alerts and call phone numbers so it DID have some basic access to the OS. Apple just created a larger amount of possible commands and responses. It very well could have been put on ALL iOS devices because the Vast majority of SIRI rely on the SERVERS AT APPLE !!!
 
BaldiMac said:
The 3GS originally came with iOS 3. It currently ships with iOS 5 according to the Apple Store.
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I missed the "your", Terrified was correct.

But removing it all wasn't necessary, Apple could have changed it to something like "the next major iPhone OS software release following the version of iPhone OS software that originally shipped when the iPhone model was first released".
 
I've said it once and I'll say it again:

If apple just made the SIRI app available (officially) for like $19.99 on the app store, they would make a ton of cash for non 4S owners.

And please don't say "well they would make more if you just bought an iPhone 4S."

No, really. Don't say that. There is no reason to buy a brand new phone if you just want SIRI. Well, that and my iPhone 4 is free from work :D
 
JoeiiApple said:
You're missing the point of my post. You're doing exactly what iWas saying not to do. People are complaining about Siri not being on older iDevices and to no avail. Sure, Siri could work on older iDevices, I'm not disagreeing with you there. iThink iEven said that in my last post.
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Dude, sorry, but don't use iWas, iThink and stuff like that. It takes away any credibility from your post and just makes you sound like a fanboy.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Read this and UNDERSTAND IT. Key words UNDERSTAND IT then get back to me
http://www.androidcentral.com/edito...why-you-shouldn’t-be-distracted-shiny-objects
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Yup read both of them. You know what? The chart's a pretty accurate statement.

If the Android community wants to say that low end phones don't count, then low end phones shouldn't count in any argument.

Even if the chart was filtered to include only high end phones, it's still a sad state for the Android-wielding populace.

And yet somehow you feel right to demand that the breakdown include feature by feature support?

Yeah, the iPhone 3G doesn't support multitasking or Game Center. But Google/HTC doesn't want to support Cloud-to-Device, Exchange support, MMS/SMS search, Camera effects, improved system keyboards, and Bluetooth 2.1 as well as the bluetooth profiles new in Android 2.0 for phones like the G1.

Okay, so the N1 isn't getting any of the new stuff in ICS from Google. Heck, my Nexus S (non-4G) isn't getting Google Wallet. People bought this phone because it was the first major Android phone with NFC. That's not even a year old yet and features arn't making it over.
 
Nosadge said:
Agreed (a greed?) -

Maybe there are some hardware or network limitations, or whatever. And yes, this technology certainly wasn't "free" to develop (how much did Apple pay to acquire the Siri technology?)

But still, if Apple is excluding users/devices just so they can influence people to abandon a perfectly capable and functional product in order to have current technology, how "green" is that? :rolleyes:
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This is probably why its only on the 4S. They probably spent tons on the licence for SIRI from whatever people owned it before, so they have to make a profit on it somehow. If they just distributed it to every iOS device, they would make nothing. They may charge for it down the line, who knows.
 
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