Glad this was discovered. I understand they have to market and invoke interest in the 4s but I just bought my phone in march and I want Siri. No reason I should have to upgrade my phone for that app in my opinion.
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Siri Hacked to Run on an iPod Touch and iPhone 4
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Glad this was discovered. I understand they have to market and invoke interest in the 4s but I just bought my phone in march and I want Siri. No reason I should have to upgrade my phone for that app in my opinion.
I want Aperture. No reason I shouldn't get all of Apple's software for free in my opinion.
Files from the 4S is not a tie to hardware at all. Files are software, bits of data on the storage device. That's not a tie to the hardware at all. The tie is artificial in that they just don't ship this obvious software feature on older models.
Again, why the rush to defend this ? What do you have to gain from defending Apple ? What do you lose if you don't ? Let Apple defend themselves.
Except legally, it's not stealing, it's infringement.
And I wasn't addressing your entire post. I was taking the piss out of you for calling out other people for not understanding copyright law when you clearly don't yourself. And you still don't.
Well, considering you can download the IOS5 software for the 4S straight from apple's own web site... it's not as if hackers need to break a sweat getting it.
I'm curious what these guys did to work around server authentication. Crafty little devils.
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I think everyone forgets that Siri is still a "beta" product with 4S users essentially getting to be beta testers.
I don't think Siri is what made people run out and buy the 4S, and I won't be surprised if it ends up available later on in the app store as a download for compatible IOS devices. Especially with our friends in the hacker community putting Apple's balls to the wall with this.
Edit: Not a free download... who wouldn't drop $10 for Siri?
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Yes, and this "software" that is just bits of data transmits your serial number or some other identifier that tells the server your phone isn't a 4S, and is not supposed to have access to the servers.
I don't think he was defending Apple, he's just lying to himself with delusions of grandeur on getting Siri on his old phone.
These hackers probably did something to fool the server into thinking it's a different model. This is probably also why they say there isn't going to be a public release, and why they aren't sharing what they did. Replicating a random serial number or something wouldn't be hard to pull off with a few devices, but if masses of people started to do it it could be chaos and law suits abound.
Actually, while not funny, it would be funny if this is what they did. Someone will come home to find Fed Ex brought their new 4S.... and find it already registered. Not likely, but it would be funny. Apple did this themselves when the 4 came out. People's serials were mixed up and people were getting bills for other users or had other peoples phone numbers. They couldn't even just fix it. The phones had to all be physically exchanged, and that was when there was a 4-6 week delay on them.
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Their business practices make more sense the more shares you own.
Its amusing to me how people make fun of "apologists" by acting like we are defending something in which we have no stake. When we actually do have a stake in it.
Judas1 said:
Their business practices make more sense the more shares you own.
Its amusing to me how people make fun of "apologists" by acting like we are defending something in which we have no stake. When we actually do have a stake in it.
You may expect what ever you want. But the fact is that the change now means that Apple is no longer obligated to give you any updates. At all.
Now, I'm not saying that they would do anything like that.
Reread the quote from the 3G/S documents, it was "up to and including the next major iPhone OS software release", so there's no out needed for not updating all existing phones to iOS 6. Had they kept the wording the only phone that they would have been forced to give the iOS 6 update to, is the 4S.
And yet they decided to limit their commitment.
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There's no reason for you to have to pay for a product that you want?
W1MRK said:
There's no reason for you to have to pay for a product that you want?
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People's misconceptions like yours aren't good for my stocks. What do I have to gain by agreeing with YOU.
You really enjoy the strongarm approach to getting people to agree with you.
KnightWRX said:
People's misconceptions like yours aren't good for my stocks. What do I have to gain by agreeing with YOU.
You really enjoy the strongarm approach to getting people to agree with you.
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To extend that point, they could just claim all the revenue up front (a more immediately profitable approach) and not give any free updates.
They chose to defer revenue to enhance the customer experience (and help developers by, you guessed it, cutting down on fragmentation)
AaronEdwards said:
To extend that point, they could just claim all the revenue up front (a more immediately profitable approach) and not give any free updates.
They chose to defer revenue to enhance the customer experience (and help developers by, you guessed it, cutting down on fragmentation)
It's a logical thought, but all the heavy lifting is done server side. Things not rendered server side are aren't much heavier than the old voice command feature. "Play this." "Call mom."
Not to mention, the A5 isn't worlds apart from the A4. The biggest advantage on the hardware side of the 4S is it's graphics processing, and Siri isn't a graphics hog and rendering 3D worlds on your screen. She's texting your mum, and pulling out data from wolphram alpha.
I'm betting my chips on Siri being released to the app store when it exits beta. By then we'll all be getting hyped for the iPhone 6 anyway.
No, all they need is to disagree with the company. Its got nothing to do with me.
Again, why would they have to agree with me? If they disagree with the company, they should voice their criticism.
How come I keep hearing about r&d, investment, and the ios experience? You mean a company should just take your money and run? Instead of investing in r&d, to improve the product, and investing in the OS, to improve your user experience.
Wow. You gotta dig up the fine print of the legal department to prove your case. All you proved was how far down you had to dig to excuse Apple. I'd like Apple to publicly state that they will support you for only one update cycle. Then maybe your argument would be valid.
Some of you may be investors. As an investor, you should be well aware of the importance of a happy and loyal consumer. And loyalty is earned through the company treating their customer fairly, despite having legal loopholes they can jump through.
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I've read several of your posts in the long, long time you've been a member, and this one is the biggest pile of bs you've written, yet.
Give it up, some people can read with comprehension, you know.
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Seriously, man. "Defend"? It's late, maybe you'll read better in the morning.
So, a legitimate consumer must disagree with the company. I got it now.
Look, I'm not an investor, but I happen to know that companies making a profit is good, as they will continue to make good products. When they make good products, a lot of people will buy them. This will keep good companies in business. Bad companies or companies with a product people don't want will fail. Judging by Apple's recent earnings, Apple falls into the first category. And judging from the 4 million iPhone 4Ses that sold over launch weekend, and the fact that they are still in short supply, I can tell that people want the new iPhone.
If you are an iPhone 4 owner who doesn't want to buy a 4S (for whatever reason), that's cool. It's your money. But Apple doesn't owe you the same product that everyone buying a 4S gets. And leading a crusade on here, especially one where you try to convince every consumer that they must criticize the company, isn't going to get you very far. If you are dissatisfied, contact Apple. Who knows, if enough people took that route, instead of bitching on here and insulting anyone who disagrees with them, then Apple might enable it for older devices at some point.
Sorry, since when is reading the terms of use for a device "digging up the fine print of the legal department"? This isn't some internal memo, it's something we, as consumers, should have at least read - so we know the limitations of our device and the relationship we have with Apple because we use this device.
There is probably no such check in place. They just don't ship the required binaries/data in the iOS 5 base image distributed to iPhone 4 or iPhone 3GS. And frankly, that's still an artificial limit, planned obsolescence and forcing "exclusivity".
It would be one thing if this was a technical limitation. If it's not, it just goes to show Apple didn't think the A5 and the camera was not enough to justify the 4S (I dunno why, I bought the 4S based on the camera and the A5, I don't care about Siri and after having used it, find it gimmicky and generally not really useful).
Are you the final arbiter on what constitutes fair treatment? Who crowned you with the mantle of speaking for all consumers? You have an opinion. That's fine. Don't be so delusional as to think that your insight is the holy grail of thought. Other people think differently. Live with it.
For the first part....I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're getting at. The comment I made was in response to someone who was complaining that the iPhone was priced higher than it cost to make.
As for treating customers fairly. Apple goes above and beyond. For example, they don't have to defer revenue to provide any free updates, but they do to ensure the user experience. And they consistently rate higher than anyone in customer satisfaction. But you can't make everyone happy, and those people spend a lot of time posting here.
Alternatively, it could be a sign that they don't see another "major" update to iOS for a while (i.e. nothing that would warrant an 'iOS 6' designation).
And infringement is theft. This isn't rocket science.
Steal: "to take the property of another wrongfully"
Here is a couple more detailed explanations:
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/9089226/
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/9183731/
As I said, you were just arguing semantics. Except you were wrong.
Boo-urns! This is why I have a love/hate relationship with Apple. Every now and then, they shaft you, just because they can, but mostly because it makes them more money.
In most regards, I love Apple products. The hardware and software for mac, while not perfect, is by far the nicest thing on the market today, in my opinion. With iOS devices, I find they have more artificial software based constraints and controls than I would prefer, but they are still remarkable and innovative devices that are a pleasure to use.
But this, this is just a plain old evil marketing manoeuvre. One that is beneficial for them because it will increase adoption of the iPhone 4S, but is a huge douche-move towards us, the consumer, because they are artificially withholding one of their best creations, for no "real" reason.
Of course, every company has it's positives and negatives. Apple pulls stunts like this sometimes, but they offer operating system upgrades for $30 that you can use on multiple machines. Arguably, Microsoft (as an example) may not directly shaft you in this manner, but their OS costs hundreds of dollars for a basic license that only runs on one machine at once. Just an example.
I guess one reason this bugs me about Apple is that they try and say they cultivate this special relationship with their customers, and to be honest I really think they do in general (compare their retail experience and support to any other retail environment for technology, the difference is night and day), but this sort of move is just a big "F-you" to all the people who support Apple.
Oh well, c'est la vie, nothing in life is perfect, at least from a human perspective.
But I will say this: Siri is a big deal, and is an astounding feature. May not seem like it, at first, because it's genius is subtle. But once you use it, it becomes obvious that this is a game-changer. Once this sort of thing becomes standard in most devices, it will permanently change the way we interact with many devices. Sure, there are voice activated and voice commanded gadgets on the market, but this really is the first one that you can truly speak NATURALLY to, and it also works very reliably in my experience... and this kind of technology will only get better with time!
In most regards, I love Apple products. The hardware and software for mac, while not perfect, is by far the nicest thing on the market today, in my opinion. With iOS devices, I find they have more artificial software based constraints and controls than I would prefer, but they are still remarkable and innovative devices that are a pleasure to use.
But this, this is just a plain old evil marketing manoeuvre. One that is beneficial for them because it will increase adoption of the iPhone 4S, but is a huge douche-move towards us, the consumer, because they are artificially withholding one of their best creations, for no "real" reason.
Of course, every company has it's positives and negatives. Apple pulls stunts like this sometimes, but they offer operating system upgrades for $30 that you can use on multiple machines. Arguably, Microsoft (as an example) may not directly shaft you in this manner, but their OS costs hundreds of dollars for a basic license that only runs on one machine at once. Just an example.
I guess one reason this bugs me about Apple is that they try and say they cultivate this special relationship with their customers, and to be honest I really think they do in general (compare their retail experience and support to any other retail environment for technology, the difference is night and day), but this sort of move is just a big "F-you" to all the people who support Apple.
Oh well, c'est la vie, nothing in life is perfect, at least from a human perspective.
But I will say this: Siri is a big deal, and is an astounding feature. May not seem like it, at first, because it's genius is subtle. But once you use it, it becomes obvious that this is a game-changer. Once this sort of thing becomes standard in most devices, it will permanently change the way we interact with many devices. Sure, there are voice activated and voice commanded gadgets on the market, but this really is the first one that you can truly speak NATURALLY to, and it also works very reliably in my experience... and this kind of technology will only get better with time!