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Siri Hacked to Run on an iPod Touch and iPhone 4
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Yes, the cost of building an iPhone is less than $200. The rest is what's known as "profit."
Judas1 said:
Yes, the cost of building an iPhone is less than $200. The rest is what's known as "profit."
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Not to mention that just looking at the bill of materials for the cost is definitely an oversimplification. There's a ton of costs. Production, marketing, R&D, all of the development costs (hardware and software alike), and the list goes on
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Not to mention that just looking at the bill of materials for the cost is definitely an oversimplification. There's a ton of costs. Production, marketing, R&D, all of the development costs (hardware and software alike), and the list goes on
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If you own a smartphone, you want more than you need
JohnDoe98 said:
If you own a smartphone, you want more than you need
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No. The revenues were deferred so that apple could update the device for free.
That's different than paying for future unspecified functionality
Judas1 said:
No. The revenues were deferred so that apple could update the device for free.
That's different than paying for future unspecified functionality
Aha, but if a person has an iPhone 4S and an iPhone 4 or iPod Touch 4G, they can use the files since they own the 4S.
Of course, it is stealing! Are people really this ignorant of copyright law?
Not to mention that Apple is quite clear about what you are paying for:
"Apple will provide you any iPhone OS software updates that it may release from time to time, up to and including the next major iPhone OS software release following the version of iPhone OS software that originally shipped from Apple on your iPhone, for free. For example, if your iPhone originally shipped with iPhone 2.x software, Apple would provide you with any iPhone OS software updates it might release up to and including the iPhone 3.x software release. Such updates and releases may not necessarily include all of the new software features that Apple releases for newer iPhone models."
http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iphone.pdf
First point "General", second paragraph. I just googled it though, credit goes to the other guy.
Apart from being quoted in blogs all over, it can also be found on apple.com in what looks like material for older iPhone models (The 3G and 3GS).
Now the sentences may have been changed in material for later models or they may also have been removed.
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Here's the quote used in the iPhone 4 documents:
Notice that "Apple will provide you any iPhone OS software updates that it may release from time to time, up to and including the next major iPhone OS software release following the version of iPhone OS software that originally shipped from Apple on your iPhone, for free." is gone.
Now "Apple, at its discretion, may make available future iOS Software Updates for your iOS Device."
A serious downgrade of their commitment.
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The quote from the iPhone 4 documents are also used for the iPhone 4S documents.
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How is that any less reasonable than the people here who hold positive feeling for Apple from previous experiences and are therefore biased?
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Funny thing is, that's how most people here talk about AT&T.
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You're going to be critical of people's understanding of law and you call copyright infringement "stealing"? They're very distinct legal concepts.
When they announced the iPhone, they stated how one of the awesome features of it was that they could upgrade the software to bring older devices up to speed, and they generally did so unless hardware limitations prevented them from doing it. As in they would do their best for older models.
The no video in the 3g but 3gs I understood because of the crap quality of video on the 3g, but this one seems like they just didn't give it to iPhone 4 owners because their new release was sounding a little weak and it needed a killer feature to talk about, not just better camera and faster chip. I usually understand apple's reasons, but this one seems like more of a dick move than usual.
Mmm, a detailed breakdown on how Siri works would be cool. I'm hoping Anandtech gets into that stuff.
That's just a silly semantic argument, and it's incorrect. The legal definition of theft includes deprivation of property rights. Copyright infringement is a form of theft.
And, of course, there is the fact that we are not obligated to use the legal definition of a word in this forum.
But that was all just a distraction from the actual point that owning an iPhone 4S does not give you the legal right to run Siri on the iPhone 4.
Monetize Siri!
I still don't understand why Apple didn't made Siri available on iPad 2 and iPhone 4. I know it's a marketing but having a dual core and better camera on iPhone 4s is good enough for people to upgrade. If they only made Siri as a fee upgrade for for iPhone 4 and iPad 2 users for $9.99 that's still a win win situation for Apple. Do you guys still remember when Apple used to charge iOS upgrade for iPod users? They could have done that for Siri and everybody is happy and more money for Apple. They should do this now charging people before hackers figured out how to make this thing working for free.
I still don't understand why Apple didn't made Siri available on iPad 2 and iPhone 4. I know it's a marketing but having a dual core and better camera on iPhone 4s is good enough for people to upgrade. If they only made Siri as a fee upgrade for for iPhone 4 and iPad 2 users for $9.99 that's still a win win situation for Apple. Do you guys still remember when Apple used to charge iOS upgrade for iPod users? They could have done that for Siri and everybody is happy and more money for Apple. They should do this now charging people before hackers figured out how to make this thing working for free.
I'd pay even $29.99 for Siri on my iPhone 4. I have no reason at all to upgrade to a 4S.
Perhaps they will. However, perhaps they also made the decision that if they released it right now to potentially tens of millions of iOS users that it would be a disaster like the original MobileMe release. Siri is nice, but it is not yet a "killer feature." Maybe it will be sometime soon, but for now, it's very much a beta and those of us with iPhone 4S phones are the beta testers.
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I'm guessing it's for accounting purposes. Revenue recognition isn't my specialty, but in general, the more they commit, the more they might have to defer a portion of revenue. Given how the Street reacted to last quarter's "profit miss," I don't blame a company for wanting to simplify their accounting.
Also, consider that as of today, they are selling 3 models of iPhone as "current," including one that was released 2 years ago. They probably want to leave themselves an "out" in case they decide not to update all existing phones to iOS 6 next year. That said, Apple's track record is a lot better than Google's, so I would expect, as an iPhone 4S owner, to receive 2 years of updates.
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Some of us customers are also shareholders.
You are not going to get charged with theft for committing copyright infringement, full stop. Admit it and move on. I never addressed the legality of Siri on the iP4, so that comment has nothing to do with me.
how can you not want a better camera in your pocket? It may not be much of a reason, but that and faster chip that saves you seconds many times a day, it seems like a no-brainer to upgrade, even without considering siri. Especially with how much the 4 will sell for if you kept it in good shape. life is short, time is valuable, just for the faster chip alone, how can anyone not upgrade? you are literally wasting minutes if not hours of your life per year needlessly waiting if you don't. I got my 4s cheaper than those who upgraded from 3gs and paid $199 for it, I paid $450 and sold my 4 for $300 super fast, basically cost me $150, i'm sure milking the world market I could have done even better. Think of a phone as a $.50 per day subscription fee, and you can always have the best and fastest.
I'm not saying I don't like it or wouldn't have one, but to acquire one off contract is more than I'd like to spend and it's not that much of an improvement. My 4 is amazing and is everything I need from a phone right now so if I get ahold of a 4S that's fine and dandy but truth be told if I'm going to jump through any hoops it'll be for next year's iPhone, hopefully with a bigger screen and new design.
I never said you would be charged with theft. I said it was stealing (aka theft). Look up the word. Investigate its meaning under common law.
Except that was the point that I made in my post that you chose to skip over in favor of arguing semantics.
True that, it would go against Steve's "We just can't ship a 500 dollar piece of junk" philosophy though. But then again, they were shipping a horribly under-specced MacBook for a few years, the white MacBook towards the end of its life was terrible value- it could have been sold for $500-$600.