Siri Hacked to Run on an iPod Touch and iPhone 4

[CubusX]

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I want Siri on my iPhone 4. Not sure why, maybe it's a useful feature or I just want to play around with it. All I know is, I will not go out and buy the latest and greatest iPhone because it's a waste. I purchased my iPhone 4 on Verizon in May 2011, it works and all I'm basically getting is Siri and an improved camara. Not worth it at all IMO. I love apple products but things are changing there. Antenna gate which was real, I owned the GSM and CDMA iPhones and the Verzion iPhone did not have the same signal drop issue. The "your holding wrong" and "hardware issue" is Apple being Apple. I love Apple and they have to make money, it's a company. It does not have to lie about hardware issues (real or fake). Looks like I will be buying the revamped new iPhones unless Android gets there stuff together.

 

[Matthew Yohe]

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Antenna gate which was real, I owned the GSM and CDMA iPhones and the Verzion iPhone did not have the same signal drop issue. The "your holding wrong" and "hardware issue" is Apple being Apple. I love Apple and they have to make money, it's a company. It does not have to lie about hardware issues (real or fake). Looks like I will be buying the revamped new iPhones unless Android gets there stuff together.

There's like a million other threads for this. Let's stop with it in this one.

 

[hspace]

Hopefully this will pressure Apple to include Siri in an iOS 5.1 or 5.2 update for iPhone 4/iPad 2/Newest iPod touch.

As speculated by myself and others in this forum, 99% of the work of Siri is done server-side. It really is a shame that this is the case... With all the horespower of the A5 cpu, they should be able to do SOMETHING locally without a connection - like basic voice commands, dictation.

 

[lilo777]

Another reason Apple might not be including Siri on older hardware might be licensing. If Apple is licensing the voice recognition system from Naunce that licence may not cover old hardware.

Yeah, Nuance told Apple which hardware they can and can not use for Siri. One has to admit that Apple apologists are very creative.

 

[arn]

Yeah, Nuance told Apple which hardware they can and can not use for Siri. One has to admit that Apple apologists are very creative.

I think the point was that it would cost more to support older devices.

arn

 

[CubusX]

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Share it, or ****. Nobody gives a crap about you and your "achievements" unless you share. I mean, really, if you're doing it for yourself and don't want to share, what exactly is the point in bragging to the whole world that you've done it, other than exposing yourself for the big douchebag that you are.

Who's the more douchey? The douche or the douche who complains about the original douche.

The point was:

He debunked Apple's claim that older equipment cannot run Siri. That's news regardless if they release a jailbreak for it or not. He called Apple out. Now let's see it has anything to say, even though it is highly unlikely.

How is that making this guy a douchebag?

 

[AidenShaw]

Siri should have been included in the 5.0 update for the iPhone 4.

But of course, Apple wants us to buy the latest and greatest.

Apple being Apple again.

You'd think people would eventually see through these blatant ripoffs where Apple intentionally cripples software updates for capable phones just to bump sales of the latest model.

But, apparently not....

 

[AppleHater]

I suspect 4S Siri is a public beta where Apple is collecting massive data from the users.

 

[OafTobark]

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Who's the more douchey? The douche or the douche who complains about the original douche.

The point was:

He debunked Apple's claim that older equipment cannot run Siri. That's news regardless if they release a jailbreak for it or not. He called Apple out. Now let's see it has anything to say, even though it is highly unlikely.

How is that making this guy a douchebag?

A lot of douchebaggery going on in that post...

Siri on an iPhone 4? And you think your battery life on your 4S is bad. Ha!

wait for it, wait for it... COMPLAIN!

 

[arn]

The point was:

He debunked Apple's claim that older equipment cannot run Siri*. That's news regardless if they release a jailbreak for it or not. He called Apple out.

* Apple never claimed that.

arn

 

[mox358]

I get why it may work on the 4 but Apple chose to keep it 4S exclusive. As a 4 owner would I like it be free and just given to us? Of course. But it's THE major new feature of the 4S really. Siri will sell phones more than any tech spec.

iOS5 for the 4 includes lots of other stuff that could have been saved for the 4S too as bullet point features, like location based reminders, but we got them for free. Plus it's a FREE software update, you can't expect Apple to just keep handing out everything. It's either a reason for you to buy a new iPhone or not, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape just because they artificially decided not to include it on the 4. Vote with your wallet.

 

[Matthew Yohe]

You'd think people would eventually see through these blatant ripoffs where Apple intentionally cripples software updates for capable phones just to bump sales of the latest model.

But, apparently not....

Yeah, the iPhone 4 is a piece of junk now.

 

[AidenShaw]

Gather around youngins. Let me tell you a story about the days before Apple in the phone industry.

You bought a smartphone. The exact version of the software that came with that phone, was the only version of the software you would ever see. Bugs and all.

arn

Yep, and it wasn't all that long ago either.

Sorry to debunk this myth - but it's BS.

I've downloaded major upgrades of WinMo on my Samsung phones. And minor bugfix upgrades.

To imply that no smartphones before the Iphone allowed upgrades is complete Apple fan nonsense.

Lets face the facts the real reason for it is Apple needed some reason to justify the 4S being upgraded for people to buy. All the other facts are complete BS. Apple needed a reason for the fanboys to upgrade from the 4S. With out Siri there would be no real reason so they come up with a 100% fabrication one.

Yes, let's fabricate a reason to send a completely functional phone to the toxic waste dump, rather than allow an OS upgrade.

I'm just puzzled that the sheeple don't see through this....

 

[wiz329]

With all the horespower of the A5 cpu, they should be able to do SOMETHING locally without a connection - like basic voice commands, dictation.

Battery life is already poor enough as it is. I'm fine with Apple's servers taking most of the load ...

 

[lilo777]

I think the point was that it would cost more to support older devices.

arn

Well, that's not how I understood it and if you are right then the original post would not in any way refute the argument that Apple was skimming the owners of older devices.

 

[8CoreWhore]

As some have alluded to, Siri is really the main feature differentiation for iPhone 4S.

It could be Apple knew this and was very concerned the launch would not get traction so they limited Siri to it. It's a strategic decision. It's not to screw anyone, or "force" people to upgrade. Launches are critical.

Also, the 4S is not really an upgrade path from the 4, it's from the 3GS, earlier, and for non-iPhone users. The upgrade path for iPhone 4 users is the 5 or 6.

Another possibility: Under Sarbanes Oxley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes–Oxley_Act), it's likely Apple would be required to charge for Siri in an update. They didn't want to charge for iOS5, so they dished that out separately with the intent of selling Siri to iPhone 4 users in the future - and is waiting for the testing period to pass.

There's always little clues in what these guys say on stage and elsewhere - remember, Tim Cook (I think it was) said Siri was beta - I don't think he was just being cute... I think Siri will come to the 4 soon enough.

 

[fobfob]

* Apple never claimed that.

• So Apple never claimed the iPhone 4 can't run Siri.
• And iPhone 4S price may include a royalty fee to Nuance.
• And the "test" servers can be scaled.

So why doesn't Apple offer an upgrade to iPhone 4 for some $$.$$ ? It can be enabled with an app download (or in app purchase for ios5?). And there's a store for that....

As an iPhone 4 owner with plenty of spare cash but without must-upgrade fanboi-itis, I really want Siri and not really much else about iPhone 4S interests me. Not only that, but there are plenty of iPhone 4 users who are on contracts and can't upgrade now anyway. Apple can even set the price of the upgrade quite high and lower it later.

Also, the 4S is not really an upgrade path from the 4, it from the 3GS, earlier, and for non-iPhone users. The upgrade path for iPhone 4 users is the 5 or 6.

Agreed. And yeah maybe they want to separate the upgrade to iOS5 with the enabling of Siri. But again, that could be done at the start. It sounds to me like the most likely thing is that they wanted as much differentiation for 4S from 4 as possible at launch. Then again, it is "4S" and not "5"- they really shouldn't be so desperate. As you say, it's not a replacement for 4, it's a replacement for 3GS.

On the other hand, maybe they should be desperate, given Android's assimilation of the smartphone market. But incremental updates like this aren't going to do much for iPhone. And BTW, a bigger screen isn't the killer feature either.

 

[Matthew Yohe]

All of these people crying about Apple ripping them off saw the android software support chart from this week, right?

 

[nagromme]

Step A: Apple brings tons of new stuff to old devices, which they COULD hold back to try to get people to upgrade. Instead, they make current owners even happier with what they have. The many times they do bring stuff to older systems (like most of iOS 5, say!) get ignored.

Step B: At the same time, Apple sometimes doesn’t bring things to older devices. This is not the norm; a million examples to the contrary are easy to find... but people act like it is the norm for Apple. Meanwhile they ignore that it really IS the norm for many other companies.

Step C: Apple might be holding back Siri in this instance for pure profit from “forcing” people to upgrade... even though that totally doesn’t fit their overall pattern, nor their actual profit strategy: making customers happy. Or they might be doing it because Siri will work less WELL on slower processors. (After all, the world is looking to pounce on Siri for the slightest flaws. Newton all over again!) We really don’t know. We have anecdotes, not formal testing. But many of us pretend to know, and act outraged

 

[QuarterSwede]

Test phase my rear end. I would accept the test phase BS that with in say 3 months they allow all iOS devices to use it. We both know it will never be allowed on anything but iPhone 4s and beyond.


Lets see the argument given for the blocking has degraded rapidly. First it was it needs an A5 chips (that was complete debunked. Safe to bet the 3GS could easily run it)
Now it is test phase. That is a load of crap. Apple could easily scale the servers in a very short matter of time.

Lets face the facts the real reason for it is Apple needed some reason to justify the 4S being upgraded for people to buy. All the other facts are complete BS. Apple needed a reason for the fanboys to upgrade from the 4S. With out Siri there would be no real reason so they come up with a 100% fabrication one.

You're usually leveled headed but you've gone off the deep end with this. It's really boiling your blood I see.

Apple could easily scale the servers in a very short matter of time.

Oh really? Remember the MobileMe launch disaster? They've never been great at online services. NEVER. Even iCloud is far from perfect.

 

[blackcrayon]

Yes, typical of Apple.

Just stupid to point out, like saying wetness is typical of things you drink.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

All of these people crying about Apple ripping them off saw the android software support chart from this week, right?

Read this and UNDERSTAND IT. Key words UNDERSTAND IT then get back to me
http://www.androidcentral.com/edito...why-you-shouldn’t-be-distracted-shiny-objects

Add to it that chart is pretty messed up for Apple and needs to be heavily changed. Does the 3G support wannabe multitasking (big feature in iOS4) nope does not. So it really not updated

3GS did not get the extra ring tones in from iOS4 and I know it was locked out of some other features.
Lets not forget the BS siri block on everything other than the iPhone 4s.

Sorry but unless those basic features are added the chart is pretty much bogus.
The link covers the other parts of the problems in trying to make something out of nothing with BS.

 

[lilo777]

All of these people crying about Apple ripping them off saw the android software support chart from this week, right?

What exactly does this have to do with Siri? Besides, in many (all?) cases Android phone manufacturers simply can't update OS on older devices because they do not supply OS directly to phone owners. Wireless providers are in charge of OS updates. Apple has special (and very beneficial) arrangement with wireless providers where they update phone software directly. With these special rights come special responsibilities which Apple seemingly neglected in case of Siri.

 

[DemonicZeus]

Yeah... I am waiting for Siri comes to my iphone 4
Btw is it possible for siri to run on ipod touch 3 gen??


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[kevm]

Well, that's not how I understood it and if you are right then the original post would not in any way refute the argument that Apple was skimming the owners of older devices.

I was just pointing out another reason Apple might have for not including Siri on older hardware, if they are paying a per device license fee multiply that by the number of devices sold and it would probably come out to a fairly large number.