The iPad 2 is sufficiently distinct from its predecessor and has been selling well "as-is." The iPhone 4S doesn't come across as a dramatically improved product on its own and Siri is the draw for many buyers.
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Siri on iPad 2
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The iPad 2 is sufficiently distinct from its predecessor and has been selling well "as-is." The iPhone 4S doesn't come across as a dramatically improved product on its own and Siri is the draw for many buyers.
Sure, it's selling "well" but couldn't it sell even more with an added feature like Siri? Especially considering the iPad 3 is months away (and will likely be sufficiently distinct enough that it wouldn't need to add Siri)?
And isn't the iPad sufficiently distinct enough from the iPhone that it could benefit from Siri as well - it's not like people in the market for a phone are going to buy an iPad instead.
I'd argue that putting Siri into both of the latest, top of the line products would help sell both of them and hurt neither.
Madmic23
macrumors 6502a
It's still a BS rule. They're not shipping an extra part, it's just software. Software can be free. See: iTunes, Quicktime, Safari; all software which can be added or removed from Windows PCs without charge. Safari was added to my old iMac G4 because at the time Apple didn't have a web browser. Guess what? They didn't charge me for it.
nateo200
macrumors 68030
I'll gladly give up 512-1024MB's of internal flash memory to go towards RAM on my iPhone 4! Really I just thought of the idea! Computers sometimes "page out" to the HDD when they run out of real memory, and that's on a spinning disk! iPhone 4 has Flash memory for both the storage and RAM...Apps could have a dedicated amount of useable RAM and Siri and certain Apps approved by the App store could tap into virtual memory for increased performance.
MRU
macrumors Penryn
It's not about the iPad 2, Apple are saving Siri for iPad 3.
If the 'fabled' Retina Display does not make iPad 3, and we are left with basically same exterior give or take, + moderate interior boost GPU/CPU that no one actually 'sees' - then Apple will need a desirable Software Feature to add to the "new and improved" 2012 iPad, and get users to upgrade. Hence Siri for iPad 3.
iPad 2 doesn't need it, the iPad 3 may.
You may find it hard to believe, but Apple actually thinks these things through. Current iPad/iPhone owners who can get Siri on their iPads will be less inclined to upgrade to a 4S. People who want a tablet now or for the holidays are still more likely to get the iPad 2, with or without Siri.
There's no "Department of Evil Deeds" at Apple where they just decide to limit features for the heck of it, they think through the benefits/downsides of their decisionmaking. They obviously aren't seeing a $$ value to adding Siri to the iPad at the moment and they're probably in a better position to judge the reasonableness of that decision than you or I.
You're just assuming that, but iPad 3 is months away and we don't know how sales will hold up over these next few months. If apple holds out on things like Siri for iPad 2, that doesn't look good to consumers and is an incentive to not buy an iPad 2 now and instead wait.
Cripple old, not top-of-the-line products? Sure, makes perfect sense. Cripple one of your flagship products to try and make a product that's months away from shipping look better? Sorry, I don't buy that. Especially when months from now people will still like Siri but it won't have the wow factor to be the main selling point any more.
Well, they're obviously in a better position to judge the "reasonableness of that decision" in terms of the "benefits/downsides" for Apple Corp. The consumer doesn't necessarily share in those "benefits," however.
You're new to this "capitalism" thing, aren't you? The consumer gets plenty of benefits; it just doesn't every benefit.
I like how everyone is completely ignoring that using Siri requires both a constantly on internet connection (aka 3G) and many many of its commands depend on always geolocation -- something not included in the majority of the iPads sold.
Siri on the iPad would not be great experience, it would be limited because of the amount of information needed for the context of the responses Siri gives.
But you know, go ahead and make up some crazy evil plans about limiting it.
Siri on the iPad would not be great experience, it would be limited because of the amount of information needed for the context of the responses Siri gives.
But you know, go ahead and make up some crazy evil plans about limiting it.
iphone1105
macrumors 68020
Wait, how does it not loog good to new customers? I mean, they have 75%+ market share on the tablet market, people don't want ANYTHING BUT an iPad. I'm confused by your wording, and maybe i'm just extra high right now, but I'd love to discuss but I am lost somewhere...thanks
+1....
I'm less upset there is no Siri on the iPad2 as I am mad that the voice control completely was left out in iOS5
The iPad has a mic on it! yet you can't dictate to notes or any apps like on the iphone.
They took out so many features for the iPad I can't believe it.
The iPad has a mic on it! yet you can't dictate to notes or any apps like on the iphone.
They took out so many features for the iPad I can't believe it.
It would get used more as an iPhone feature, but still doesn't mean people wouldn't use it to talk in notes, email etc.
We also got jipped on the quick camera from the lock screen as well... that is a feature I'm sure everyone would've used.
Those are two features from iOS5 im definitely missing on the iPad.
APlotdevice
macrumors 68040
You make a good point. Though they could at least offer a more limited form within the browser and other internet based apps.
kas23
macrumors 603
You guys need to chill. I upgraded from the iPhone 4 to the 4S and Siri is not all that. It may be in 5 years, but it certainly is not a game changer at this point.
Now, as for the iPad; Siri needs a constant Internet connect, which the iPad may or may not have.
The best evidence for no Siri for the iPad is a simple one. Who amongst us would like to talk to their Macs? Seriously. So, who would really want to voice commands at their iPad? I'm not talking about playing around with it when no one's around. Who here would actually give their iPad commands while sitting in Starbucks? This must be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. If I ever catch someone (who is not mentally ill) talking to their tablet, I'll snatch it away and hit them with it.
Now, as for the iPad; Siri needs a constant Internet connect, which the iPad may or may not have.
The best evidence for no Siri for the iPad is a simple one. Who amongst us would like to talk to their Macs? Seriously. So, who would really want to voice commands at their iPad? I'm not talking about playing around with it when no one's around. Who here would actually give their iPad commands while sitting in Starbucks? This must be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. If I ever catch someone (who is not mentally ill) talking to their tablet, I'll snatch it away and hit them with it.
Uh, no. Not new at all. Been doing it for many years. My comment was simply to point out that the objective of a firm is not to provide benefits for consumers. It is one (and not the only) means to achieve firm's primary objective: to maximize profits for its shareholders.
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My wifi only iPad has an internet connection whenever I use it. So do millions of other iPads. And while I don't happen to have a gps-based location service on the iPad, millions of other iPads do. Besides, many of the Siri features are not location-based. "Set up a meeting with John on Thursday" requires no geolocation information, even that provided for a wifi only iPad.
It's fairly obvious that Siri is not provided for the iPad in order to sell iPhones. There's nothing unusual about that and it doesn't imply "evil" intent on the part of Apple. It simply suggests that Apple is not an altruistic enterprise. Only those who believe it is should be surprised.
APlotdevice
macrumors 68040
Wow... You might want to consider checking yourself into a mental hospital. That's just not funny at all. And why do you even care what someone does with their own device?
Anyway, just because voice recognition isn't widely used today, that doesn't mean it won't be in the future. As I see it the hold-up hasn't been a lack of interest, but technological limitations. However the technology continues to improve.
What I mean is that they've added a negative that wasn't there before.
There haven't been that many reasons not to get an iPad, but now Apple has added "doesn't have Siri". And no I don't think people are going to buy a different brand based on that but some may postpone so they get Siri on iPad 3 instead of buying now (which is still not a good thing for Apple).
Apple's goal is to sell as much product, and get those sales sooner rather than later. I just don't agree that keeping Siri off the iPad 2 is helping sales more than it's hurting.
urkel
macrumors 68030
Apple sold 4million iPhone 4S over the weekend and Siri has been slow or even down several times. What do you think would happen if they also allowed the technology on the 20 gazillion iPad 2's out in the wild?
Maybe the omission of Siri is simply that they want to give it a slow rollout and will eventually get to the iPad side.
Maybe the omission of Siri is simply that they want to give it a slow rollout and will eventually get to the iPad side.
I'm not expecting the iPad 2 getting siri. Apple needs a reason for people to buy the iPhone 4s which sure will be a **** move.
Domino8282
macrumors 6502a
Another reason for a slow rollout across devices is to not overload their server farm. There have already been some issues with Siri temporarily going down. I'm guessing if they threw a bunch of iPad users into the mix it would compound the problem.
