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Siri Reportedly Coming to iPad with iOS 6
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The thing is, people need to stop using Nova 3 as some kind of smug example to beat the iPad 3 with.
Let's look at gaming on the PC, there was long been a trade off between effects and resolution since the earliest days of 3D accelerator cards. Think for a second about what kind of 3D card would be required to run an FPS at 30fps or better at a resolution of 2048 x 1536 with all graphical effects (DOF, lighting, smoke, particle, etc).
If developers stick to keeping the iPad 3 at the same resolution or somewhere in the middle of iPad 2 and iPad 3, but upscaled, then the Quad Core would be freed up for graphical effects in excess of what the iPad 2 does. It's a simple trade off that has existed for years; resolution or effects. I've no idea why people are reacting with such shock.
The iPad 2 is 1024 x 768, so if developers even followed the example of Chair, who updated IB2 to somewhere in between the resolutions of iPad 2 and 3, then that'd be fine and free up more of the GPU for processing effects as opposed to pushing pixels at a set resolution.
And while the resolution of Nova 3 on the iPad 3 is pretty remarkable, I'll happily take a decreased resolution to enable the various effects. Anyone who expected the new iPad to run at full resolution with every single graphical effect was always kidding themselves on.
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Siri could in fact come to every new Apple product..makes sense.
iPod = change song, calendar, weather etc.
Mac = All of above and: web search, launch programs etc.
Apple TV = turn on/off, change channel (if cable comes onto it!) , search for programs etc.
iPod = change song, calendar, weather etc.
Mac = All of above and: web search, launch programs etc.
Apple TV = turn on/off, change channel (if cable comes onto it!) , search for programs etc.
i think apples greater plan with siri, is to see it come to more and more products,
once its out of beta on iOS. watch out OSX.
Improve Siri's usefulness first!!!
Although Siri has created a huge buzz for its presence in the iPhone 4S, I still dont see its usefulness.
Siri was one of the promotional features of iPhone 4S but really is only a BETA...
It cannot understand most of my voice inputs.
Others are also experiencing these problems. Also I think I can rather search and schedule a Calendar event rather than ask Siri for it. It so slow and irresponsive....
Although Siri has created a huge buzz for its presence in the iPhone 4S, I still dont see its usefulness.
Siri was one of the promotional features of iPhone 4S but really is only a BETA...
It cannot understand most of my voice inputs.Others are also experiencing these problems. Also I think I can rather search and schedule a Calendar event rather than ask Siri for it. It so slow and irresponsive....
Reminds me of something
While much more verbose and at a much different level, the result somehow reminds me of my Newton.
While much more verbose and at a much different level, the result somehow reminds me of my Newton.
+ 1. Exactly. Siri is virtually unusable here in UK and I've long since stopped using it. Bad show, Apple.
I sure hope there's a lot more to iOS 6 than just Siri on the iPad and a possibly less functional map. I haven't used Siri at all since the novelty wore off after the first few days. I can't say I've missed it on the iPad up until now.
I know it's scary isn't it and I don't know why this is being ignored. If someone else was saying and doing this people would be going crazy about it, but it hardly gets a mention
You failed to realize that if all iPads (1, 2, new) are allowed to upgrade to iOS 6 and Siri does come standard with iOS 6, then all iPad 2's and iPad 1's will be tapping into that server. Both of those devices don't have dictation currently.
As my post stated, if Apple substantially improves its servers before that kind of integration then it won't be a problem at all. However, it is a known fact that Siri's servers have performance issues (though there have been performance improvements since March).
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then your iOS device would be receiving push updates constantly to refine the voice recognition algorithms. Apple is constantly improving Siri (it is in beta mode after all) and if Siri was based on your device it would need to push updates to your iPhone 4S daily or weekly. Now you have Windows Update frequency on an iOS device
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false.... NOVA 3 was specifically upgraded for the ipad3 and many effects are only available on it and the 4S... I have the ipad 3 and compared it side by side with the ipad2 and the ipad 2 looks blurry with its 3GS quality screen
My Apologies for not making myself clear in the other post. NOVA 3 may look better (keyword: look; which may be negligible when holding the iPad2 at a far enough distance from your face) than the game on the iPad2 due to the higher resolution, but the actual graphical detail is more abundant on the ipad2. Gameloft actually had to give iPad3 users a choice on whether to sacrifice gfx detail for a better resolution or to run the game at the ipad2 resolution in order to be able to experience the gfx upgrade.
Consider reading this article on the subject:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57432267-1/does-n.o.v.a-3-actually-look-better-on-the-old-ipad/
they game is not fully optimized for the ipad 3 as it had to be rushed to be shown off at ipad 3 release... ipad 3 has stronger GPU and CPU and double the ram of ipad2.. there is no argument hat is is more powerful but devs are now working on maximizing its power.. ipad 2 owners are salty cause their eyes hurt from trying to read on that non retina 3GS screen...
ipad 3 > ipad 2
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Although Siri has created a huge buzz for its presence in the iPhone 4S, I still dont see its usefulness.
Siri was one of the promotional features of iPhone 4S but really is only a BETA...
Others are also experiencing these problems. Also I think I can rather search and schedule a Calendar event rather than ask Siri for it. It so slow and irresponsive....
That's why Apple is doubling down on improving it. It's not even a Gen 1 product. It's a beta product. I expect Siri to improve tremendously in many different ways over the next year.
Right it is very important to filter all of Siri's knowledge through the servers (particularly while in beta) to continue improving voice recognition etc. But I hope that once Siri leaves beta it will no longer be required to access the server. It should always initially attempt to access the server(possibly unless optionally disabled), but if the iPhone detects the slow/no internet connection or that the server is down it would quickly and seemlessly give the best possible solution from your phone. It might not have the most up-to-date diction, grammar, algorithm, etc but if all you are trying to do is play a song, set an appointment, send a text, set a reminder, etc, it wouldn't be that big of a deal. The server shouldn't really have to be mandatory.
... After 2 minutes of waiting. During which time I could have done what I wanted three times over.
I do agree it has gotten better though. Looking forward to it getting much better too. Third-party integration would be nice: "Home center, please close the garage door when I leave home."
Mike
Siri doesn't have anything to do with voice recognition though. The voice recognition part is a completely separate process and is not even Apple's technology (it's Nuance's). For all intents and purposes, Siri is "deaf" (but certainly not mute!
).Where voice recognition figures out what you said Siri figures out what you meant. That is a very difficult thing to do for a computer, which is often brutally apparent in language translation.
Michael
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Siri doesn't have anything to do with voice recognition though. The voice recognition part is a completely separate process and is not even Apple's technology (it's Nuance's). For all intents and purposes, Siri is "deaf" (but certainly not mute!
Where voice recognition figures out what you said Siri figures out what you meant. That is a very difficult thing to do for a computer, which is often brutally apparent in language translation.
True, although I would be very surprised if Apple wasn't using all the data gathered from accents all over the world to somehow aid in translating what is being said. Maybe working with nuance directly on that?
But I guess I was mainly referring to analyzing the "understanding" of what is being said as you correctly indentified. And not just regular speech but things like slang. I think after a year or two of analyzing such data Apple would be able to make this "understanding" accomplished without the server being present. Sure it may not report the most accurate responses or use the most updated AI or even perform the operation quite as quickly. But I think there should be a fallback if the server is down.
Or else apple needs to put a lot of effort into beefing up their servers, because it has been pretty unacceptable. Siri needs to work 99% of the time otherwise it would become too frusterating.
I have done a lot of thinking about the "backend required" dilemma.
For starters I looked into how much storage and processing power is required for Nuance's software on a PC or Mac. CPU-wise, the latest iOS devices seem capable, albeit marginally. But storage-wise it would require several gigabytes of local storage,. The upside is this should be just about as good as the current server-side implementation for the voice recognition.
That doesn't even take into consideration Siri. I suspect it would need just as much storage--perhaps (much) more--but would not match a server-side solution. I can possibly see it eventually being an optional installation for those who want it. But before then I do see Apple beefing up the backend dramatically (they really have no other choice).
Others have recommended that Siri should drop down to the basic Voice Control, available on the iPhone (and still on the 4S if you turn Siri off). I think that is a terrible idea as the difference in recognition, scope, and interaction is night-and-day. Apple would likely never do this.
Michael
By the time Developers can optimize games to work flawlessly on a retina display iPad with all of the intended gfx effects, the iPad will be in its fourth generation. Then, Apple would have beefed up the processor itself to handle more tasks.
The iPad cannot run the retina display and a graphically intensive game at the same time without undesirable results.
Lastly, I don't know why you keep bringing up reading on the iPad2's "3GS" screen. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
The ipad 3 is more than capable of running graphics better than the ipad2 because it has 1000 megs of ram while ipad2 has 500 megs
in fact there is a jailbreak tweak called quasar that lets the ipad run many apps at the same tim on the screen real time.. so on my ipd3 i had youtube vid playing and a 3d animated fish tank and NOVA3 and angry birds all playing at the same time on ipad3 and it was silky smooth and flawless but on ipad2 it stuttered and had low frame rate due to weak processor and lack of ram..
http://youtu.be/dZEqWo4gtFE
Will its important to accept that the ipad3 has for time the pixel resolution as the ipad2 which still has 3GS low res screen. Screen quality is a basic part of any electronic viewing experience and the ipad3 has the bast screen of all tablets.. I pad2s screen is terrible. FACT
this is s a silly debate ... go buy an ipad2 since you think its better..lol
I'm not saying that the iPad2 is better. I am simply arguing your original post:
All of NOVA 3's gfx effects are included in the iPad2, as pointed out earlier. The iPad 3 could not handle both the retina display and the updated effects according to the developer. I am only basing my responses on confirmed sources.
nope i have played both side by side and the ipad 2 version had lower frame rate and less detail and less effects because is has slower CPU and half the RAM