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If Apple Silicon is anywhere near Tesla's latest hardware, let alone Tesla's next generation of hardware, I will 100% be utterly amazed.
However, irrespective of any of this. I'm sure we are many many many decades away from realistic self driving on anything other than simple easy roads with no issues to deal with.
Right now, take any car out and within probably 5 mins you'd have an accident.

The car and it's controls is easy.
Fitting camera's/Lidar and anything else is easy.
Creating pretty much a General AI in silicon to made decisions based upon anything that happens, to the same level even a human child can, we're not even a fraction of the way there.

Like many, I'd so so love to see Self Driving cars today.
I just (like we all do) encounter things whilst driving, every single day, that I'm sure a self driving car could not "yet" cope with at all.
Round here, we have many roads which are single tracks, with vegetation encroaching from both sides that brushes your car as you drive. The edges often have hidden soft patches, puddles often disguise potholes, and all the other delights of such roads.

I'd be amazed if a self-drive vehicle developed in California could cope. On top of that, all the issues of negotiating who should do what when someone comes from the other direction! Or a farmer is cutting the hedgerow with a giant flail. Or a single, almost invisible strand of elastic has been stretched across the road for cattle crossing.

And, by gosh, do all the sensors work reliably in horizontal gale force rain?

Just in case it doesn't sound like it, I do enjoy living and driving here!

Self-drive that works anywhere, reliably, has lots of attraction. But until then, we'll need some sort of less-than-perfect self-drive technology. The older among us who learned to drive on a manual gearbox car, many years ago, can probably cope. If the car says "Take over", we can. But I see an upcoming generation who will have very little real driving experience. Taking over will be difficult for them. (Not that dynamic taking over is a sensible approach. Expecting any driver to grab the wheel and start driving within seconds is not a good idea.)

It might actually be better to concentrate on driver assistance and monitoring. My own car has adaptive cruise control - and I use it quite a lot. Perhaps surprisingly, I think I am even more aware of speed limits because of it. And I can concentrate on the rest of driving far more because I rarely need to look at the speedo. But there are many things which can catch it out. Like hidden dips where you lose the vehicle ahead. Or someone slowing to turn off a main road into a turn lane.
 
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If Apple were producing a car, we'd know far more about it than we do. The requirements to even start building prototype motor vehicles in the United States are both high, and applications and progress is public.

If Apple (or indeed any shell company) had registered as such, we'd know.

Not to mention there's a finite number of manufacturing lines and facilities able to produce or assemble a car, Tesla would be the only equivalent successful example, and they're as outside the box for car components etc. as Apple might be. There's a reason Tesla bought the Fremont factory.

Again, if Apple had a car production facility, we'd know.
The old Area 51 Effect: if there were aliens, the critters in DC would have spilled the beans decades ago.

And, as someone else observed, a project like this being 'years ahead' says nothing when you don't know the REAL schedule.

A poorly researched project can easily have lots of 'early completions' because they didn't know what they were talking about to begin with, followed by MASSIVE slips and ultimate cancellation when the REAL problems they ALSO missed come home to roost.

Been there, done that.

Every student in US high school should be required to have a comprehensive Project Management course somewhere in their final year to show them how the REAL WORLD works, and what they're going to be involved in if they have a job above dog walker or 'independent contractor/yard care specialist'.
 
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Why do we think Apple would make an electric car and not a hybrid, or a gas powered one?
Because new gas (petrol), diesel, and hybrid cars will all be banned in a few years. 2030 for petrol and diesel. 2035 for some hybrid. (In the UK.)

Gas (hydrogen) might well be allowed. But I don't think you meant that, did you?

Be a bit bonkers to launch a brand new vehicle, start to build up sales, then it be banned.
 
Round here, we have many roads which are single tracks, with vegetation encroaching from both sides that brushes your car as you drive. The edges often have hidden soft patches, puddles often disguise potholes, and all the other delights of such roads.

I'd be amazed if a self-drive vehicle developed in California could cope. On top of that, all the issues of negotiating who should do what when someone comes from the other direction! Or a farmer is cutting the hedgerow with a giant flail. Or a single, almost invisible strand of elastic has been stretched across the road for cattle crossing.

And, by gosh, do all the sensors work reliably in horizontal gale force rain?

Just in case it doesn't sound like it, I do enjoy living and driving here!

Self-drive that works anywhere, reliably, has lots of attraction. But until then, we'll need some sort of less-than-perfect self-drive technology. The older among us who learned to drive on a manual gearbox car, many years ago, can probably cope. If the car says "Take over", we can. But I see an upcoming generation who will have very little real driving experience. Taking over will be difficult for them. (Not that dynamic taking over is a sensible approach. Expecting any driver to grab the wheel and start driving within seconds is not a good idea.)

It might actually be better to concentrate on driver assistance and monitoring. My own car has adaptive cruise control - and I use it quite a lot. Perhaps surprisingly, I think I am even more aware of speed limits because of it. And I can concentrate on the rest of driving far more because I rarely need to look at the speedo. But there are many things which can catch it out. Like hidden dips where you lose the vehicle ahead. Or someone slowing to turn off a main road into a turn lane.
There are some videos floating around that show what a Tesla actually sees (versus what Tesla shows on the display).
 
Because new gas (petrol), diesel, and hybrid cars will all be banned in a few years. 2030 for petrol and diesel. 2035 for some hybrid. (In the UK.)

Gas (hydrogen) might well be allowed. But I don't think you meant that, did you?

Be a bit bonkers to launch a brand new vehicle, start to build up sales, then it be banned.
I was thinking more of the US market and how only 23 states allow a car manufacturer to sell cars direct to customers. Going with a franchise dealership model will work great when every car is an EV but as it stands dealerships prefer to sell petrol vehicles and hybrids.

Shoot I am seeing reports online that VW is running into the same issues with dealers not wanting the ID.3 in the EU.
 
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What'll be REALLY grating will be how much better CarPlay will be in the Apple Car. The features and bug fixes that everyone is clamouring for will only be for Apple's vehicles...they'll eventually let some of them trickle over, but the experience will (of course) be a premium one in Apple's vehicles. :(

(kinda like how they always put the best camera in the iPhad - because everyone that values taking the best photos wants to carry a tablet around.) :|
 
^ Indeed.

A very simple common scenario I've yet to see a video of a car doing is this:

Travelling down a typical UK street with homes either side.
Cars are randomly parked on either side.
There are random sized games between the parked cars.
You are driving down this road, in the middle-ish due to the parked cars, and see a car coming towards you.
You are both, in effect driving directly towards each other.

At some point, BEFORE you hit!
One of you see's a appropriate gap which you can safely reach in time.
This person then pulls into this gap, the other car, perhaps flashes it's lights as a thank you, and passes you.
You pull out of the gap and carry on.

This above scenario literally will happen millions of times every day, all over the UK.
I could jump in my car now, and be in this exact scenario within 30 seconds of starting to drive.

Yet I've never seen a driverless car do this in any video.
But I presume they must be working on it as it's a fundamental requirement of everyday driving.
 
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Hah. No f—ing way. Too many products they’ve been flooring the gas pedal on lately (services, obviously, but audio accessories also come to mind); they’re not about to launch an entirely new product that’s SO FAR out of their current lineup.

(Said with love and the hope that Apple Car does come around eventually. Would be pretty dope.)
 
I was thinking more of the US market and how only 23 states allow a car manufacturer to sell cars direct to customers. Going with a franchise dealership model will work great when every car is an EV but as it stands dealerships prefer to sell petrol vehicles and hybrids.

Shoot I am seeing reports online that VW is running into the same issues with dealers not wanting the ID.3 in the EU.
If my local VW dealer (which happens also to sell Mercedes and Audi) didn't want to flog me an ID.3, I'd simply go elsewhere. But that is because I know something of it.

I can see an opportunity for some dealers to do very well by taking potential ID.3 sales from the other dealers who don't want to bother.
 
If this happens it will because Apple bought a major car manufacturer or possibly their ev divisions. Obviously not going to be Tesla, but Apple could afford to buy a company like Daimler or BMW incredibly easily.
 
^ Indeed.

A very simple common scenario I've yet to see a video of a car doing is this:

Travelling down a typical UK street with homes either side.
Cars are randomly parked on either side.
There are random sized games between the parked cars.
You are driving down this road, in the middle-ish due to the parked cars, and see a car coming towards you.
You are both, in effect driving directly towards each other.

At some point, BEFORE you hit!
One of you see's a appropriate gap which you can safely reach in time.
This person then pulls into this gap, the other car, perhaps flashes it's lights as a thank you, and passes you.
You pull out of the gap and carry on.

This above scenario literally will happen millions of times every day, all over the UK.
I could jump in my car now, and be in this exact scenario within 30 seconds of starting to drive.

Yet I've never seen a driverless car do this in any video.
But I presume they must be working on it as it's a fundamental requirement of everyday driving.
Totally normal.

Virtually every video I have seen shows an extremely simply scenario. Nice lanes to join and leave a carriageway. Wide enough for all vehicles. (We get lots of "mobile homes" being transported which are too wide for the vehicle they are being transported on. They effectively hang over the next lane. So other vehicles have to avoid them.)
 
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Totally normal.

Virtually every video I have seen shows an extremely simply scenario. Nice lanes to join and leave a carriageway. Wide enough for all vehicles. (We get lots of "mobile homes" being transported which are too wide for the vehicle they are being transported on. They effectively hang over the next lane. So other vehicles have to avoid them.)

A whole thread with various Tesla FSD videos. Note that some of the videos are from places other than California.
 
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All I can say for sure is that the car will have revolutionary new features developed by Apple that the Tesla had 3 years ago. The tech will be 2 years behind Tesla, and the price will be 5 times as much. All that being said however I am sure the onboard cameras will be top notch.
 
^ Indeed.
And just recently 1/2 mile from me, a country lane with temp traffic lights.
Overnight they must have become faulty as one side was stuck on red.
So you wait there until you realise it's broken, take care, and drive though the red light together with all the build up of traffic behind you.
And the Autonomous car will just sit there for the next hour or three will a workman starts work and fixes it?

Likewise perhaps a tree falls in the road and you have to drive up onto the path, even perhaps slightly into someone's driveway entrance to get around the car.
Not to mention the bit of a flood across the road and trying to judge, based upon watching what other cars are doing, if it's safe to attempt to go thru it, with a load of people also behind you.

Hence why I think we are no way near this being a reality Unfortunaly.
We pretty much need Artificial General Intelligence to be able to solve all these typical daily problems.

I feel the best we can hope for will be something like: Drive onto motorway or special road already setup
Engage driverless mode and relax, then when turning off, back onto normal roads you retake manual control again.
 
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I do not think so.
At most, they might announce that they’re working on a car, and put it for release in late 2023 or 2024, but they are definitely not gonna have these on the road by next year.
Cars are not like iPhones, you can’t announce them and then have them all shipped and ready to go a week later.
and from what we know about the progress of the car, it probably won’t even be ready for announcement by next year, unless they’re attempting to be extremely ambitious, and announce things ahead of schedule, cough cough AirPower cough cough.

We know Apple. Therefore, we know it is all about the Keynote. Apple is structurally incapable of introducing a new product without significant software problems. Only now, these software problems can cause direct customer/users death. It will be interesting to see how Apple handles this.

Talk about the potential for destroying the brand.

In other news, if Apple is serious about this, I expect any real development on all other products, documents, and testing to come to a screeching halt. Apple does not have the capability to develop multiple product lines with any high level of quality.

The other main issue is with Jony gone I think we can expect a design that looks like Ford or Tesla. Again Cook has made Apple void of creative talent and is now just a corporation producing safe product designs that protect the shareholder, are supply chain efficient, and screw the customer for profits.
 
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I still feel the likely scenario is that Apple is developing software called Apple Car. This product would include the self-driving, OS integrated into the head unit and all of the required radars and sensors for a total software solution. I still can't phantom Apple developing, manufacturing and distributing a car like ala Tesla.
 

A whole thread with various Tesla FSD videos. Note that some of the videos are from places other than California.
Not impressed with a number of the videos (no - just watched a few). I was continually expecting a mistake - and saw some questionable events. I kept getting the impression the narrators were making excuses for Telsa.

Still none of the roads, even unpaved, and car-parks, were as narrow and difficult as many of our roads.
 
Ops, almost forgot. We should expect with Apple's tie in to the Chinese government that they will be very tempted to use a Chinese car. This will probably get them into the trillion dollar Chinese market. Everyone knows there is much more money to be maid using a Chinese product that an American product.
 
Not impressed with a number of the videos (no - just watched a few). I was continually expecting a mistake - and saw some questionable events. I kept getting the impression the narrators were making excuses for Telsa.

Still none of the roads, even unpaved, and car-parks, were as narrow and difficult as many of our roads.
That is fair.
MobilEye has a few demo videos. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thr...her-ces-2020-self-driving-ride-videos.180947/

I am not sure if these are State side or in Israel. Again this probably isn't repersentative of the roads in your country. Really surprised you guys don't have any local companies doing the same kind of work.
 
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I still feel the likely scenario is that Apple is developing software called Apple Car. This product would include the self-driving, OS integrated into the head unit and all of the required radars and sensors for a total software solution. I still can't phantom Apple developing, manufacturing and distributing a car like ala Tesla.
I have a tendency to agree. Google has Android Automotive which goes far beyond Android Auto because Automotive is a whole OS for a car. The work Apple seems to be doing with sensors, self-driving capability, and improved telematics point to an Apple Car OS. This could be licensed to existing car manufacturers, or used for their own vehicle down the road.
 
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