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The odd thing about this rumor is the original SE was designed to have less features given its lower price, and so the SE2 having the latest features doesn't really jive. Space inside the small form factor is at a premium and I'd rather see them add other things, like force touch instead of wireless charging

I'm curious about 3d touch: I have an SE and in control centre, when I tap and hold on the brightness control for example, a simple widget pops up. Same for the torch function. Is this different to the functionality of 3d touch and in what way? Seems an SE can already differentiate between a tap and more than a tap.
 
If it were not for the ecosystem and iOS i would have moved on to Android by now..Apple is a disappointment to me since the iPhone 5 form factor
Genuine question... what do you have that's not available on Android, or would have to spend money again to get again?

Admittedly, I like having access to both platforms (LG G4 + Ipad Air), so I do have games that I'd rather not spend money all over again. Also, I'd prefer games to be on a separate device, as my LG G4 is my smartphone and workhorse. The Ipad has more games, but I need the phone more to get around when I travel.
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I'm curious about 3d touch: I have an SE and in control centre, when I tap and hold on the brightness control for example, a simple widget pops up. Same for the torch function. Is this different to the functionality of 3d touch and in what way? Seems an SE can already differentiate between a tap and more than a tap.
Some folks have jokingly (and even outright mocked) 3D Touch as a sort of "glorified double tap" or "glorified long press". There's a half truth, half falsehood to that.

For the former, it's just an alternative input method that the hardware is programmed to recognize

For the latter, it still is something, actually different, from a technical perspective. It IS physically different to double tap on the same spot vs. pressing and holding on the same spot for 500ms, vs. pressing harder/applying more force to same spot. Some 3D Touch advocates have claimed using it has save time, improved their workflow, or have been easier to do in more unconventional situations like riding on a bumpy subway car. Then there's the strictly functional side of things, like 3d touching a link to get a preview. In theory, a double tap or long pressing could've been incorporated to do this as well, but it currently isn't, barring any jail break tricks or 3rd party apps I'm not aware of.
 
Genuine question... what do you have that's not available on Android, or would have to spend money again to get again?

Admittedly, I like having access to both platforms (LG G4 + Ipad Air), so I do have games that I'd rather not spend money all over again. Also, I'd prefer games to be on a separate device, as my LG G4 is my smartphone and workhorse. The Ipad has more games, but I need the phone more to get around when I travel.
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Some folks have jokingly (and even outright mocked) 3D Touch as a sort of "glorified double tap" or "glorified long press". There's a half truth, half falsehood to that.

For the former, it's just an alternative input method that the hardware is programmed to recognize

For the latter, it still is something, actually different, from a technical perspective. It IS physically different to double tap on the same spot vs. pressing and holding on the same spot for 500ms, vs. pressing harder/applying more force to same spot. Some 3D Touch advocates have claimed using it has save time, improved their workflow, or have been easier to do in more unconventional situations like riding on a bumpy subway car. Then there's the strictly functional side of things, like 3d touching a link to get a preview. In theory, a double tap or long pressing could've been incorporated to do this as well, but it currently isn't, barring any jail break tricks or 3rd party apps I'm not aware of.

I've got an an iPhone 5, an iPad, an iMac, a MacBook Air and a pair of AirPods. They all work so well together, I cannot be bothered switching to Android, and i am also concerned about security with Android. I would have bought an 128 GB SE but i think it's a joke splashing 500 dollars, euros or whatever for a design that old. Apple had been going on and on for years about one handed use and the practicality of small factor phones and now just because the Asian market is obsessed with TV-sized phones the rest of us have to follow suit. Sorry, but i will not. A phone is a phone at the end of the day. What we need is a 5-SE sized phone with smaller bezels. Simple.
 
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I imagine it will be just be a rebranded iPhone 7 or iPhone 8, just like the orignal SE was a rebranded 5s.

I don't seem them continuing to refresh a 6 year old form-factor with new internals and don't see them designing a whole new form factor just for this device - so that is my estimation.

In my view, this device just seems like a way to offer a lower priced option by milking old parts and existing manufacturing processes.

Why would apple bother with developing an entirely new SE then if it will have the same form factor as the iphone 7/8?

If apple wants it to gave a glass back, it would have to be an iphone 8 with the internals and camera’ s of the iphone 7?

Doesn’ t make sense, they could make the iphone 8 about $100 cheaper instead of adding costs for r&d and adding a new sku and be done with it.

What apple needs is a 4.7-5.0 inch iphone with the new aspect ratio, faceid and wireless charging, so basically a 5s/se body with an almost all screen design and faceid, and glass back for $550 and call it the se+. It will be a nice addition to the 5.8 and 6.4 inch oled iphone x and the 6.1 inch lcd iphone of 2018.
For budget they should release a regular se with a a10, updated cams and glass back, with touchid, same design, etc.

Line-up for 2018:

2018 SE and SE+
Iphone 8 and 8 plus
Iphone 9(6.1 lcd , x design)
Updated iphone x and x plus.

Drop the 6 /6s/7 models.
 
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iPhone SE was and is my first iPhone and I love it. I love the small compact, sturdy size and form. I've dropped mine countless times.
 
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$649 would be the mid end devices. Low end is SE territory, which launched at $399

$649 would be mid-ranged? LG G6 is not a mid-ranger phone and that's $500 from T-Mobile USA right now. OnePlus' 5T is $499 and that is not a midrange device. For $699, you're getting a flagship iPhone 8 since it has quick charge, wireless charging, an OIS 4k camera, a True Tone display, an A11 processor.

Low end phones would be like a $199 first gen SE, $150 Moto G5 Plus, Huawei Honor 7X, etc.
 
$649 would be mid-ranged? LG G6 is not a mid-ranger phone and that's $500 from T-Mobile USA right now. OnePlus' 5T is $499 and that is not a midrange device. For $699, you're getting a flagship iPhone 8 since it has quick charge, wireless charging, an OIS 4k camera, a True Tone display, an A11 processor.

Low end phones would be like a $199 first gen SE, $150 Moto G5 Plus, Huawei Honor 7X, etc.
The reference is to Apple’s prices, not for Android phones. Definitions will vary, but low range for Apple could include the $349 SE and $449 6S, mid-range the $549 6S Plus/iPhone 7, the $669 7 Plus and the $699 iPhone 8, then high-range with the $799 8 Plus and $999/1,149 iPhone X.
 
The reference is to Apple’s prices, not for Android phones. Definitions will vary, but low range for Apple could include the $349 SE and $449 6S, mid-range the $549 6S Plus/iPhone 7, the $669 7 Plus and the $699 iPhone 8, then high-range with the $799 8 Plus and $999/1,149 iPhone X.

A $399 phone isn’t a good market penetrator as other affordable options in China. A lot of people buy Huawei and Oppo over an iPhone SE. Why should a low option force people into one form factor anyways?
 
A $399 phone isn’t a good market penetrator as other affordable options in China. A lot of people buy Huawei and Oppo over an iPhone SE. Why should a low option force people into one form factor anyways?
1) True, 2) true, and 3) Larger phones are more expensive to manufacture, so they are priced higher.

As you correctly point out, Apple doesn’t have any models that are low-priced in the general category of smartphones. Only lower priced iPhones, compared to more expensive iPhones.
 
1) True, 2) true, and 3) Larger phones are more expensive to manufacture, so they are priced higher.

As you correctly point out, Apple doesn’t have any models that are low-priced in the general category of smartphones. Only lower priced iPhones, compared to more expensive iPhones.

Although bigger phones could carry a higher Bill of Materials (BOM), that doesn't discourage manufacturers to offer affordable big screen devices. The LG Stylo 3 and ZTE Blade Z Max are affordable big screen devices. A 5" screen isn't big either, but it is also another alternative to the 4" or 4.7" sizes Apple offers with the SE and 6/6S/7/8.
 
Although bigger phones could carry a higher Bill of Materials (BOM), that doesn't discourage manufacturers to offer affordable big screen devices. The LG Stylo 3 and ZTE Blade Z Max are affordable big screen devices. A 5" screen isn't big either, but it is also another alternative to the 4" or 4.7" sizes Apple offers with the SE and 6/6S/7/8.
True. To date, Apple hasn’t been willing to sacrifice gross margin in search of market share.
 
True. To date, Apple hasn’t been willing to sacrifice gross margin in search of market share.

But that hasn't slowed them down, so why stop now, right? If you can amass about $1 trillion in total value with Apple Tax and incredible profit margins, then there isn't any reason to change it up.
 
But that hasn't slowed them down, so why stop now, right? If you can amass about $1 trillion in total value with Apple Tax and incredible profit margins, then there isn't any reason to change it up.
Just because Apple doesn’t play in the commodity, low-priced smartphone segment doesn’t mean its iPhones are overpriced. Things are “worth” (valued at) what customers are willing to pay for them.

Features are not the only way consumers evaluate smartphones. Build quality, security, longevity, aesthetics, reliability, ease of use, ecosystem, privacy, app quality/availability, UI/UX, warranty, support, resale value, etc. are all factors that consumers might consider when deciding whether a smart phone is “fairly priced”.
 
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So basically take the cheap and durable design that people liked about the se, and make incredibly fragile, and expensive. While they’re at it, give it a protruding camera lens, a unibrow, a ****** color shifting oled screen, and get rid of the home button.
 
Just because Apple doesn’t play in the commodity, low-priced smartphone segment doesn’t mean its iPhones are overpriced. Things are “worth” (valued at) what customers are willing to pay for them.

Features are not the only way consumers evaluate smartphones. Build quality, security, longevity, aesthetics, reliability, ease of use, ecosystem, privacy, app quality/availability, UI/UX, warranty, support, resale value, etc. are all factors that consumers might consider when deciding whether a smart phone is “fairly priced”.

There was a front page article showing a decline in major market shares recently. People aren’t so inclined to pay for Apple’s items abroad as previous times. Apple also lost its stride.

You can get build quality, support, and a host of your other typed up requests elsewhere at a slightly more affordable rate.
 
There was a front page article showing a decline in major market shares recently. People aren’t so inclined to pay for Apple’s items abroad as previous times. Apple also lost its stride.

You can get build quality, support, and a host of your other typed up requests elsewhere at a slightly more affordable rate.
I’m sure Apple appreciates your concern regarding their sales metrics, and it’s certainly possible they will take your advice and drop their prices.

But isn’t choice wonderful? People should buy what the like best! Some prefer Samsung or HTC or Google or Huawei or whoever. Others prefer Apple—they think it’s a better value than an Android alternative. You disagree, but you can’t know what’s best for others.
 
I’m sure Apple appreciates your concern regarding their sales metrics, and it’s certainly possible they will take your advice and drop their prices.

But isn’t choice wonderful? People should buy what the like best! Some prefer Samsung or HTC or Google or Huawei or whoever. Others prefer Apple—they think it’s a better value than an Android alternative. You disagree, but you can’t know what’s best for others.

Well, it’s known that Apple is behind in China. If they want to be #1, they need to be more price competitive.
 
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