Yet it has better benchmarks and overall performance, how is that identical to a 2012? lol
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Skip the updated 15" MBP and wait for Skylake
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Yet it has better benchmarks and overall performance, how is that identical to a 2012? lol
Kal.
Things to consider
So, yes Skylake may offer up to 10% better performance than the Haswell in the 15inch. But that's not major by any means.
The new 15inch MBP is faster than the last refresh with or without the dGPU due to the faster SSD.
People are not happy with the new dGPU because it was not as big of an upgrade as a 960m. However, it still out performs the 750m by quite a bit. some games are 80% faster.
Waiting for Skylake dose not mean the dGPU will update. The last two MBP refreshes used the 750m.
If you don't wait your 2015 MBP will resell quite well. If you bought the $2500 MBP you may only loose $200 to $300 selling and upgrading this time next year.
So, yes Skylake may offer up to 10% better performance than the Haswell in the 15inch. But that's not major by any means.
The new 15inch MBP is faster than the last refresh with or without the dGPU due to the faster SSD.
People are not happy with the new dGPU because it was not as big of an upgrade as a 960m. However, it still out performs the 750m by quite a bit. some games are 80% faster.
Waiting for Skylake dose not mean the dGPU will update. The last two MBP refreshes used the 750m.
If you don't wait your 2015 MBP will resell quite well. If you bought the $2500 MBP you may only loose $200 to $300 selling and upgrading this time next year.
I'm not so sure about the resale part. Maybe only in terms of a much cheaper alternative to what's new.
Meaning, I really think that Skylake (and it's next gen Cannonlake) is not just the next update but instead signals the beginning of the next chapter in Apple laptops. Haswell, Broadwell and any previous offerings (though great laptops) will not only be last years models but last years technology making them much less desirable.
If someone 'needs' to or just 'wants' to buy new now, cool. But if you care to wait a scant few months you can step into the new world. (dramatic, aint it)
Meaning, I really think that Skylake (and it's next gen Cannonlake) is not just the next update but instead signals the beginning of the next chapter in Apple laptops. Haswell, Broadwell and any previous offerings (though great laptops) will not only be last years models but last years technology making them much less desirable.
If someone 'needs' to or just 'wants' to buy new now, cool. But if you care to wait a scant few months you can step into the new world. (dramatic, aint it
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Nooo!! I can't handle that new keyboard. I like the current MBP's. Per key backlighting would be nice though. Imagine being able to program some cool backlighting effects!
I'm thinking and hoping Skylake pushes the 15" MacBook Pro to 10hrs of battery life. I just hope Apple doesn't take the efficiency of Skylake and decides to make the Macbook Pro thinner
But you know that's what they'll do. Apple are as predictable as the length of the day.
The problem is they can't really go thinner without abandoning standard USB, so this could be the last MacBook Pro that has it. The next ones might go USB-C. Even the Thunderbolt and HDMI ports could change or disappear!
Yet it has better benchmarks and overall performance, how is that identical to a 2012? lol
Kal.
The HD 7770 and the R9 m370x are pretty close in scores. They are same chip.
The HD 7770/R9 m370x is slower than the Geforce GTX 860m, the hot mainstream mobile GPU from last year.
Anyone that argues the R9 m370x has some magical good properties that somehow warrants its inclusion in Apple's flagship notebook is delusional.
It's 3 year old technology that appeared in HP and Toshiba notebooks that no one bought in 2012, now you pay a premium to have them in the shiny MBP.
A recurring theme on these threads is that people assume Skylake-H with quadcore/Iris Pro level graphics will be released this year just because it was stated on Intel's roadmap.
A monopoly in the high end X86 mobile CPU market, delays from their current Broadwell-H release. Why would intel have a 3-6 month product run just to update their chips without reaping the profits from a full cycle?
Broadwell-H has not even made its way into the market, those hoping for and spreading misinformation of an end of the year launch of Skylake-H are clearly not seeing what's happening on the ground.
I agree with some forumers that a GPU with 3 year old tech (the m370x) is a poor inclusion on their highest end laptop. But for people who need a machine now, they are still getting a faster GPU and much faster storage for the same price.
A monopoly in the high end X86 mobile CPU market, delays from their current Broadwell-H release. Why would intel have a 3-6 month product run just to update their chips without reaping the profits from a full cycle?
Broadwell-H has not even made its way into the market, those hoping for and spreading misinformation of an end of the year launch of Skylake-H are clearly not seeing what's happening on the ground.
I agree with some forumers that a GPU with 3 year old tech (the m370x) is a poor inclusion on their highest end laptop. But for people who need a machine now, they are still getting a faster GPU and much faster storage for the same price.
You're right that the only source of information on Skylake-H is roadmap from last week, but the only source on a Broadwell-H is from roadmap from a year ago.
If Broadwell-H was happening this summer, surely Apple would have waited for it.
I'm betting new Macbook Pros with Skylake launching together with OS X 10.11 this fall
Do you REALLY think Apple is going to give you ALL of that at once?
And that they care about the 15 inch pro enough to do ALL of that in the next few months?
And then nobody would buy the machines. USB-C data sticks? Nowhere to be found. External mouse (wired or with wireless dongle)? Nope. Thunderbolt? Nope, not without a redesign of the connector which would instantly make everybody mad. Expensive adapters JUST to get to basic connections like HDMI or USB? Nobody buys those and if you do you've bought the wrong computer. Not everybody wants to go full wireless. Apple is waaaaaaaay ahead of itself. They want to push the industry forward with new shiny tech that nobody's interested in. I don't care if one port can have a billion functions. If it means I have to have an adapter to use those functions then what's the point of having one port. I'd rather have them build in to the machine as standard. Same with thinness. If Skylake allows for a thinner design Apple shouldn't do that and instead utilize the extra space for beefier cooling solutions and more batteries capacity.
The reason the standard USB connector works so well is because the interface hasn't changed in a decade. You can still plug in old USB 2 hardware into a USB 3 port, hell, you can put in USB 3 hardware into a USB 2 port and it will work just fine, just not at the speeds USB 3 can.
You are right. They would need to go to USB 3-C to pull that off to do the whole bottom chassis thinner. The other option would be to either taper off a bit near the trackpad like the Macbook Air and or make the display thinner like the new Macbook and remove the Apple lit logo.
Is there a reason for the snippy-ness of your post, why is it that people who disagree with you and think the AMD R9 m370X is good, are delusional? Also do you have proof the chip is completely a 2012 chip? Just because it may (or may not) use the same technology does not make it old. All CPUs and GPUs use the "same" technology, but are just refined each generation. So wouldn't it be okay to assume that perhaps the AMD is in that category?
Kal.
I really hope they maintain the amount of ports and layout that the current retina MBPs has, I feel it's just perfect. I would hate if they change to USB type C cause it means all my USB peripherals (cameras, thumbdrives) has to be connected to an adapter before connecting to my notebook. The rMBP is thin enough, Apple should stop getting too obsessed with thinness, they can make the display thinner since it won't affect the device too much, any other space saved should make way for a more efficient cooling solution, I still see MBPs getting warped due to thermal issues. I understand the new MB is designed to be the new Air, but the MBP should retain as a proper workhorse.
And as for the keyboard, please retain the current rMBP keyboard travel stroke except maybe making the keys to the new butterfly keys (more rigid), I've tried the new MacBook and if it isn't for portability, that amount of travel stroke doesn't make sense.
I've thought long and hard about whether to buy the new rMBP or wait for Skylake.
Gone back and forth over it, read all the benchmarks. I've decided I am going to wait for the new one. I don't really need the faster CPU that skylake brings. But I do want the faster Iris Pro it will come with.
And I also want the redesigned chassis and the Thunderbolt 3, faster memory, battery life improvements that we've missed from Broadwell (Skylake will share those as they're on the same fabrication node).
And of course I want a dedicated GPU that isn't three years old in a £2,500 notebook (the price with everything maxed out which I intended to buy).
So I'll see you all again in 8-9 months I guess!
Gone back and forth over it, read all the benchmarks. I've decided I am going to wait for the new one. I don't really need the faster CPU that skylake brings. But I do want the faster Iris Pro it will come with.
And I also want the redesigned chassis and the Thunderbolt 3, faster memory, battery life improvements that we've missed from Broadwell (Skylake will share those as they're on the same fabrication node).
And of course I want a dedicated GPU that isn't three years old in a £2,500 notebook (the price with everything maxed out which I intended to buy).
So I'll see you all again in 8-9 months I guess!
I also believe we'll see a 4K screen. Asus is currently shipping a 15.4" laptop for around $1,500 USD with a 4K IPS panel. Yes IPS not TN.
That is the kind of panel Apple would use in their laptop since they have a hard on for IPS (With good reason, all my desktop displays are IPS).
I think the reason they went with the 2880x1800 display in the 15" in 2012 is simply because it was the highest density IPS panel they could get at the time. I really truly believe they'll update it to 4K at some point.
And marketing wise, it's great. They could advertise it as an on-the-go 4K editing station perfectly paired with the 5K Retina Cinema Display they'll no doubt launch later this year.
Some people think I'm crazy on this forum for wanting 4K on a 15.4" display. They say it looks too tiny. But to them I say, look at all the other manufacturers putting 4K panels in their laptops and before that 1920x1200 panels which is the same desktop size (thus same text size) as the pixel doubling that would happen on a 4K Retina 15.4" display.
1920x1200 desktop sizes have been a standard on 15" notebooks from other manufacturers for like 6 years now. There is not one doubt in my mind Apple will eventually put a 4K panel in, the question is when, I would definitely place a £5 bet that it will be on the Skylake update if they receive any kind of physical redesign which I believe they will.
They won't change the screen resolution. Their OSX does not handle dynamic DPI like Windows does. If you increased the pixel count every element would shrink and they seem to think the current GUI size is correct. They also never upgraded to anything better than the iphone 4 screen when all the anrdoids very running 720p as midrange and 1080p as high end.
To sum it up they will keep their 2880x1800 for a long time.
To sum it up they will keep their 2880x1800 for a long time.
What are you talking about? You can connect a 4K and 5K panel to these displays. You can even run the current rMBP 15" with the scaled 1920x1200 resolution, it's a built in option.
Please atleast look at this screenshot from a rMBP 15", see under the laptop where it says "Looks like 1920x1200". All Apple has to do is put in a 4K panel and update the scaled resolutions on offer.
very much in agreement. after the 2011-series Radeon desaster which affected my MBP I'll also always opt for integrated graphics for new laptops from now on.
mine is now running on integrated only and it's such an amazing improvement in system temperature and (lack of) fan noise, too. also no more GPU switching issues, if only I still had a reliably working video out, it would be perfect.
I run my 15" rMBP in "Looks like 1920x1200" mode, so I also want Apple to upgrade the display to a native 4K resolution. However, I don't expect Apple to do so in the next five years. Apple haven't even upgraded the MBA to Retina yet and completion of transitioning the entire product line to Retina will come years before any upgrade beyond Retina.
I disagree. The iPhone received several updates to its screens before other devices were updated to Retina. Apple does whatever makes sense in the moment.
I'd also argue that the MacBook is the successor to the MacBook Air. They'll probably release a 13" MacBook and then the Airs will be put out to pasture.