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OMG DON'T REMOVE THE ODD DRIVE WE NEED IT!

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But, you're going to. You're going to have to. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but thinking you'll carry on for 5 years using dvd may be pushing it a little further than it will last. I remember friends with 8 tracks in the their cars - then switching to cassette - having to give up all the 8 track tapes they had and start from scratch.

That is actually a bad analogy. Many Blu-Ray/DVDs sold today come with "Digital Copy". You can create a iTunes/Windows media version of the movie. If buying them you already have viable copies. [ For those that want to crack and rip DVDs that is a another approach]. Now, this new "ultra violet" streaming stuff is a somewhat different story. You have to "stream" to get to the copy you already paid for, but not necessarily a repurchase.


The primary usage that is missing is rentals and spontaneous usage (someone hands you a DVD while remote from the external drive. ) and nobody has a DVD player ( dedicated or PS/3 , XBox , etc. ) handy to play the DVD.


DVD movies are already digital. It is whether the bits are stored on a pressed optical disk or on the HDD/SDD inside the laptop. It isn't too much of strain for most laptop HDDs these day to hold 2-3 DVD resolution movies and have a huge space left over. The user just has to rotate what is in the library (e.g., as watch movies remove them form the hard drive and put new ones on. ) Don't really need to buy them all over again ( 8-tracks -> cassettes ).

The "technology transition" that is being swept under the rug here is from DVD to Blu-Ray. DVDs are going to disappear with time (longer than 5 years to disappear completely). It will take a while but they are being replaced. Apple for better or worse isn't going down that path. So as Blu-Ray takes over Apple will retreat from putting ODD in Macs. You can bring up the "rebuy the content" boogie man on that transition ( although most Blu-Ray players also play DVDs... so don't really have to replace. )
 
Is there a significant difference in write/read speeds with an internal vs an external optical drive? I have a new 2011 Macbook Pro and bought one because I didn't want to lose the optical drive. I had to use it to install Windows, and I also needed it already to transfer movies, make music CDs for my car(which does not have an aux input), and to install software that I have on physical media that the AppStore doesn't recognize.

This might sound crazy, but what if they started using mini-disc drives? I don't know what it is, but I have always liked the mini-disc format and wish that it had been implemented more. I think a UMD reader/writer would be an awesome addition to a laptop. And yes, i am being serious. Those discs can hold a lot of information and having a much smaller optical drive would decrease weight and allow more room for other components.

Optical magneto discs (minidiscs/hi-md/umd) are no longer produced by Sony. They've conceded defeat. These where great but not even the Matrix original movie (just before seeing the white rabbit) could bring these back.
 
If they are getting rid of the optical drive, In the 13" MBP I would like to see a dedicated GPU in the along with an optional quad core CPU.

In the 15" MBP I would like to see two hard drive bays.

For the 17" MBP I would like to see 4 RAM slots for a max 32GB along with two hard drive bays.

In all three sizes, Retina displays and 2 thunderbolt ports.

All of the above would separate the MBPs from the MB Airs, even with MB Airs sporting retina displays. The pros would then be real Pros.

Then they can Shut up and take my money!!!:D

I would then buy an MBP and an MBA.
 

lol good point. Either get a top notch OD in there or just take it out all together !

Then they can Shut up and take my money!!!:D

I would then buy an MBP and an MBA.

If your order comes true lol...they can take my money too, might even cough up enough to get a 15". But not a air...when they have pads lol
 
Samsung uses more arm chips than Apple
Nokia uses more arm chips than Apple

So what is this sheer volume we are talking about here?

When do you realize that Apple is not the biggest name out there.

you misunderstood me. I meant "strong arm" as in using their might, not "Strong-Arm" as in the Arm based chip devision that Intel long ago sold and was used as an XScale brand back in the days where PocketPC-PE devices flourished. Arm chips was NOT my point/rebuttal ... I was talking about storage chips. Follow along the conversation that myself and Deconstruct60 have been having on page 10/11/12.

Besides,
When do you realize that Apple is not the biggest name out there.

Right now ... Nokia hasn't been using a lot of modern Arm based cpu's as much as Apple, Samsung, or LG ... but that is an irrelevant conversation to this thread.
 
umm why would you want two TB ports?

You can daisy chain up to 6 devices on TB (just like FW) so there really is no need for two ports.
Yes there is a need for multiple ports: because you actually can't always daisy-chain ThunderPants devices. Some manufacturers have gone cheap and included only one ThunderBolt port on their device. Such as the BlackMagic Ultrastudio, or the Sonnet ExpressCard adaptor (pictures of several other Sonnet adaptors, such as FireWire 800, also show only a single TB port, but I couldn't find info on those on Sonnet's web site, as they are STILL 'in development').

Not to mention ALL DisplayPort displays (have no daisy-chaining ability).

I think that havign more than one port on the computer is pretty important.
 
I wouldn't really consider an adapter to be a TB device since it's really its own connection type, just interfacing through the TB port. Regardless, these devices can be placed at the end of the chain to deal with that problem, or you can purchase a hub if you have a need to connect multiple of these adapters.

And ACD is not a TB device, it is a mDP device that just happens to plug in to your existing TB port. Place it at the end of the chain or into a hub if you need to connect multiple devices.

Point is, for the 1% of people who need to plug in two odd adapters that don't have daisy chains (for whatever reason) it's not worth having an extra port. Complain to the accessory manufacturers for not implementing the ability to daisy chain. I think the other 99% of people would prefer a 3rd USB port before a 2nd TB port.
 
umm why would you want two TB ports?

You can daisy chain up to 6 devices on TB (just like FW) so there really is no need for two ports.


A single thunderbolt port can support 2 monitors - the laptop monitor itself and one external monitor.

By having 2 Thunderbolt ports, the laptop can support 2 Full HD external monitors natively whilst using the laptop monitor. The laptop monitor can then be used as displaying some form of a control centre and the two external monitors for work.

aggri1 has listed more reasons which I support even though they may not apply to me, many others would be affected.
 
umm, i can already plug two monitors into my mbp's TB port.... no need for a second port.

Also, those limitations have nothing to do with the number of ports. More so with the GPU and apples limitations. Regardless there are adapters you can buy to hook multiple monitors up to even mDP macs.

Even if apple put 20 TB ports on a mac, that doesn't mean you can plug in 20 displays. Still are going to need a GPU to drive all of that screen real estate.

And you can still use those 2 accessories he linked to, they just have to be at the end of the chain. So on the odd chance you need a $1000 capture card and an ExpressCard adapter you are going to need a TB hub as well.
 
umm, i can already plug two monitors into my mbp's TB port.... no need for a second port.

Also, those limitations have nothing to do with the number of ports. More so with the GPU and apples limitations. Regardless there are adapters you can buy to hook multiple monitors up to even mDP macs.

Even if apple put 20 TB ports on a mac, that doesn't mean you can plug in 20 displays. Still are going to need a GPU to drive all of that screen real estate.

And you can still use those 2 accessories he linked to, they just have to be at the end of the chain. So on the odd chance you need a $1000 capture card and an ExpressCard adapter you are going to need a TB hub as well.


How? Supposedly you can daisy chain 2 Apple displays to a TB port, but if you have other kinds of monitors, you're SOL. As far as I can tell, no such adapter to hook up two DisplayPort capable monitors (or DVI, VGA or HDMI with a mDP->___ adapter for that matter) exists.

Even my 2 year old crappy HP work laptop is capable of hooking up two external monitors. There's really no excuse for Apple's pro line to not support the same.
 
Like I said, you already can hook up two monitors (except on MBA and 13" pro, they only support one w/o an adapter; likely due to their integrated GPU's)

Older macs have been able to hook two monitors up for years....

http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/products/gxm/dh2go/

A $200 adapter is not what I would call a solution.

Like I said, my cheapass work laptop is hooked up to two monitors. The only adapter needed was a $5 DisplayPort->DVI adapter because one of the monitors is older and is only DVI. The other monitor is hooked directly up to DVI on the laptop. The fact that Apple's pro line of laptops can't do the same is just ridiculous.
 
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umm, i can already plug two monitors into my mbp's TB port.... no need for a second port.

Also, those limitations have nothing to do with the number of ports. More so with the GPU and apples limitations. Regardless there are adapters you can buy to hook multiple monitors up to even mDP macs.

Even if apple put 20 TB ports on a mac, that doesn't mean you can plug in 20 displays. Still are going to need a GPU to drive all of that screen real estate.

And you can still use those 2 accessories he linked to, they just have to be at the end of the chain. So on the odd chance you need a $1000 capture card and an ExpressCard adapter you are going to need a TB hub as well.

I am aware that the current 15" & 17" MBPs support 2 Thunderbolt monitors but the current 13" MBP doesn't by using one port.

However, as you have touched on before, I acknowledge that a current 13" MBP can support two external monitors using USB display adaptors, Matrox DualHead2Go/TripleHead2Go adaptors etc.

Personally, I am not too keen on purchasing 2 Apple Thunderbolt Displays @ £899 each. There are not many third party Thunderbolt displays on the market at the minute to daisy chain together using one Thunderbolt port.

I recognise that this is a personal choice but I would be happier if I could attach 2 Dell monitors - One U2412M @ £310.80 and one U2410 @ £466.80.

I could probably get those monitors cheaper elsewhere but even so, those two monitors are cheaper than one single Apple Thunderbolt display. Due to the lack of third party thunderbolt monitors, I would prefer to have 2 thunderbolt ports to use third party monitors rather than using 2 Apple Thunderbolt Displays or to use an external adapter.

Regarding GPU limitations, the upcoming Ivy Bridge Integrated GPU is purported to support resolutions up to 4096 x 4096 pixels. That's 16,777,216 pixels.

Assuming that the retina display in the 15" MBP has a resolution of 2880 x 1800 with a total of 5,040,000 pixels or even 3360 x 2100 pixels (7,056,000 pixels) and the two dell monitors mentioned above have resolutions of 1920 x 1200 (4,608,000 pixels in total) it still totals a maximum of 11,664,000 pixels.

Given that Intel isn't renowned for its integrated graphics, the current dedicated graphic cards could support having two thunderbolt ports provided the quantity of dedicated memory, its bandwidth, PCI express speeds etc. As I mentioned in my previous post, if Apple were to ditch the optical drive, I would expect that a dedicated GPU would be present even in the 13" MBP to cover the latter issues mentioned in the previous sentence. I also wouldn't expect to be working on software that is GPU intensive in this setup.

The solution you provided does work and is well documented but as my original post was wishful thinking I can still dream :D.

"And you can still use those 2 accessories he linked to, they just have to be at the end of the chain. So on the odd chance you need a $1000 capture card and an ExpressCard adapter you are going to need a TB hub as well."

This is very true but correct me if I wrong but I believe that an external display can only be connected at the end of the chain. If he was to use one of those products he would not be able to connect to an external monitor unless he used a third party adapter. I am not sure about this point so feel free to educate me on this matter.

I appreciate that this matter is technical and would only affect a minority of users. Thanks for your time.
 
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THEY DO... just not the 13" model or the MBA's...

If you want the capability without an adapter, buy a mac that has a dedicated GPU, if you want an Air or 13" pro you will need the adapter...

^^ dommeister...

the 15" and 17" don't have 2 tb ports, the lack of a second port is NOT the reason you can't hook 2 monitors up to the 13" stop saying that.

and there are adapters to go from mDP/TB to DVI/HDMI/VGA or whatever kind of monitor you want to run.
 
THEY DO... just not the 13" model or the MBA's...

If you want the capability without an adapter, buy a mac that has a dedicated GPU, if you want an Air or 13" pro you will need the adapter...

^^ dommeister...

the 15" and 17" don't have 2 tb ports, the lack of a second port is NOT the reason you can't hook 2 monitors up to the 13" stop saying that.

So how do you do it without buying a $200 Matrox adapter? How do you hook up 2 monitors to a single TB port on the 15" MBP with a dedicated GPU?

Keep in mind I'm not talking about Apple's expensive TB display which you can daisy chain, I'm talking about your everyday run of the mill monitor with DP or DVI
 
So how do you do it without buying a $200 Matrox adapter? How do you hook up 2 monitors to a single TB port on the 15" MBP with a dedicated GPU?

Keep in mind I'm not talking about Apple's expensive TB display which you can daisy chain, I'm talking about your everyday run of the mill monitor with DP or DVI

mDP>VGA>VGA splitter... boom two monitors

mDP>Dual-Link DVI Adapter.... boom two monitors
 
If I wanted a thin computer without an ODD then I'd buy a Macbook Air... can't understand why Apple are going to be essentially making two of the same computer, what a joke.

Really disappointed if this is true, no new Mac for me for a very long time

They AREN'T making two of the same machine...why is this so hard to understand...the new MBPros will have quad cores, HD Screen, dedicated Graphics, higher RAM, probably dual storage, TB ports, etc...a MBAir doesnt come close to this in specs.

Dont be surprised if the 13" MBPro goes away though.
 
mDP>VGA>VGA splitter... boom two monitors

mDP>Dual-Link DVI Adapter.... boom two monitors

Doesn't do any good if you wanna use something like Sonnet's Expresscard adapter. Seeing as thats the only adapter at the moment that can give speeds faster then FW800 that doesn't break the bank you're trapped using the built in screen on the 13 and 15 inchers.
 
Doesn't do any good if you wanna use something like Sonnet's Expresscard adapter. Seeing as thats the only adapter at the moment that can give speeds faster then FW800 that doesn't break the bank you're trapped using the built in screen on the 13 and 15 inchers.

don't think i claimed that it did...

but you can purchase a TB hub if you really need that functionality.
 
^^ dommeister...

the 15" and 17" don't have 2 tb ports, the lack of a second port is NOT the reason you can't hook 2 monitors up to the 13" stop saying that.

and there are adapters to go from mDP/TB to DVI/HDMI/VGA or whatever kind of monitor you want to run.

I am aware that the current 15" and 17" MBPs have only one thunderbolt port but due to its dedicated graphics and drivers those models can drive 2 external monitors.

If and only if the upcoming 13" MBPs have dedicated graphics cards, they will be able to drive 2 external monitors using one port provided they are powerful enough.

I would be happy with that but having two Thunderbolt ports offers the user more flexibility than one. They are not a necessity.

My original post was wishful thinking and this matter isn't a dealbreaker for me. As mentioned by both yourself and me, third party solutions are available for those in a situation similar to mine.

By having 2 Thunderbolt ports, it would be sleeker/easier to support two third party monitors but it isn't the only way to do so. This would be a want rather than a need. Thanks for your input.
 
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