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Slimmer 13-Inch and 15-Inch MacBook Pros Reportedly in Production
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It's still the best solution available, and frankly that is soooo much of a non-issue it's laughable.
I always choose to blank out the 2nd monitor in Mplayer extended. When I'm watching a video, I'm watching a frickin' video.
You're not getting a better solution. Deal.
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That's what I actually do. I'm blunt, same here as IRL. Deal.
I'm pointing out that the GPU (the processing unit, the actual chip) is not the limitation, hence what the doc says is irrelevant. Much lesser chips are capable of the deed with the proper electronics backing them up.
Give me a 13" with 1 TB SSD and 10+ hours of battery life while doing actual work and I'll buy it, whatever the price! Come one Apple, be brave and give us something crazily good!
Sometimes, i forget that the Posters here represent just a miniscule, albeit extremely vocal porton of apple users. It's comments like these which make me remember, and grateful that apple doesn't take it's advice here.
It's more than just the Mac / PC market and whether they'll keep offering optical drives - the bigger market for cd's and dvd's is diminishing day by day, just like the market changed from vinyl to cassette, cassette to cd.
If more consumer consume media digitally, then it won't really matter if a pc manufacturer wants to include an optical drive, because they won't be used. Again, just use history as a guide to the future. We've been through this once or twice before.
Not once did I say it won't happen: it will. It'll happen to everything eventually. Perhaps your reading comprehension is a little rusty.
However I don't think I'm being unreasonable expecting to play my hundreds of DVDs on my laptop for the next 5 years. Maybe if I said 25 years or 75 years, yes, I would be very unreasonable to expect that, but 5 years? Nah, nothing unreasonable about that.
Just because Apple might be getting rid of ODDs in their computers, doesn't mean the rest of the world is suddenly going to agree with their decision and do the same.
If Apple do remove ODDs in their laptops then all that will happen is some people will be pleased about it, and some people won't. I'm in the latter category, and I won't be buying an Apple laptop without an optical drive for the next 5 years, as I reasonably expect to be able to play my DVDs on my laptop for the next 5 years without buying an external drive.
I mean come on... every other single laptop can do it [not including netbooks] so it just seems ridiculous.
$1k for a laptop that can't play DVDs natively... I've never heard anything more hilarious in my entire life
$1k for a laptop that can't play DVDs natively... I've never heard anything more hilarious in my entire life
You're looking at it the wrong way. It's $1k for a laptop that you wont even notice in your bag because it's so damned thin and light, yet still as powerful (hopefully) as anything else on the market. And this would be acheived by removing a part that is quickly falling to the wayside and that can still be worked around by plugging in a small, cheap external disc drive when the need arises.
I mean come on... every other single laptop can do it [not including netbooks] so it just seems ridiculous.
$1k for a laptop that can't play DVDs natively... I've never heard anything more hilarious in my entire life
The only thing halarious here is your comment. Thank God Apple won't/don't take advice from you.
If you want a portable DVD player buy one.
yeah.... apple is the only company to make a laptop without an optical drive!I mean come on... every other single laptop can do it [not including netbooks] so it just seems ridiculous.
$1k for a laptop that can't play DVDs natively... I've never heard anything more hilarious in my entire life
http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-l321x/pd
http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/envy14-spectre/index.html#.T2c1FszXE_o
http://www.lg.com/ae/it-products/notebooks/LG-Z330.jsp
http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/portege/
http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1543
http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/laptops/NP900X3B-A01US
So there are 6 laptops from pretty much all of the major PC manufacturers and none of them have optical disc drives. Guess you forgot about Intel touting all of the "Ultrabooks" to be released this year. You are naive if you think apple is the only company producing products without optical drives...
Yes, but the MBP is not an "Ultrabook". Leave that segment for the MBA please.yeah.... apple is the only company to make a laptop without an optical drive!
http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-l321x/pd
http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/envy14-spectre/index.html#.T2c1FszXE_o
http://www.lg.com/ae/it-products/notebooks/LG-Z330.jsp
http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/portege/
http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1543
http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/laptops/NP900X3B-A01US
So there are 6 laptops from pretty much all of the major PC manufacturers and none of them have optical disc drives. Guess you forgot about Intel touting all of the "Ultrabooks" to be released this year. You are naive if you think apple is the only company producing products without optical drives...
It's not an ultrabook, but I think it's time to let go. CD's and DVD's are getting less relevant every day.
Things change, we have to give up the vinyl, the 8 tracks, the cassette tapes, now the CD/DVD's.
Did I say it was an ultrabook? NO.. I mean for god sakes it's not even a "real" product, just some speculation of what will happen to the macbook pro lineup.
OP said "$1k for a laptop that can't play DVDs natively... I've never heard anything more hilarious in my entire life"
I showed him that basically every PC manufacturer has or is releasing a computer without an optical drive.
Yeah, except a lot of folk quote watching DVDs as the reason to keep an ODD. Hardly a pro application of the disk drive.
Is it not possible to watch movies from a USB external drive ? Am I missing something ?
Eloquently put. The few professional tasks requiring an ODD are typically not performed on the fly, away from a desk. And an external ODD can be kept by a desk, or in a bag, if necessary.
Whether there are uses for ODDs is not the debate; there are, and many people utilize them. The real debate is to whom Apple is marketing, and the trend seems to be to mobile professionals. The MBA is perfectly suited for office types on the go, and the MacBook Pro should meet the needs of more demanding power users.
Ultimately, the ODD is a hindrance to mobility. It is one (more than one, really) additional moving part with the potential to break. It is one more part demanding power from the battery. It takes up about 15"^3 internal space which could be eliminated or re-purposed for a larger battery, improved storage, or additional I/O controllers.
If Apple kills the ODD in its mobile line, it is not because it is declaring optical media dead. It is because it is declaring optical media less relevant to the majority of its mobile users than whatever replaces it.
Not many people pay over 1k for a Toshiba though, do they?yeah.... apple is the only company to make a laptop without an optical drive!
http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-l321x/pd
http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/envy14-spectre/index.html#.T2c1FszXE_o
http://www.lg.com/ae/it-products/notebooks/LG-Z330.jsp
http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/portege/
http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1543
http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/laptops/NP900X3B-A01US
So there are 6 laptops from pretty much all of the major PC manufacturers and none of them have optical disc drives. Guess you forgot about Intel touting all of the "Ultrabooks" to be released this year. You are naive if you think apple is the only company producing products without optical drives...
Thanks for playing!
Most of them also manufacture notebook computers WITH an optical drive alongside them - if Apple remove the ODD from the Pro, then neither the Air nor the Pro will have one.
Which is ridiculous when you consider the name "Pro" but hey ho - Apple rulez!!!111onetwothree
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If I wanted that... I'd have bought an Air...
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And where did I say you said that? I didn't - you didn't.
My original point stands. I don't see many people spending 1k on laptops without ODDs apart from the Air.
Don't see why we need two Airs.
I'd say thanks for playing again but... well, you actually didn't even make an attempt in that last post, did you?
Run along, that homework won't do itself.
yes, because an Air has a quad core processor, 8gb of RAM, discrete GPU, screens larger than 13", Ethernet ports, and SD slots.
If I wanted that... I'd have bought an Air...
You obviously missed the boat...
I guess what really differentiates a "PRO" machine from an "AIR" is just an ODD. Without it, you can't have a pro machine. I mean, no other specs really matter, right?
yes, because an Air has [...] SD slots.
You obviously missed the boat...
Yes, mine does.
I can make my peace with the loss of an optical drive, I just don't use it that much. Still, I'll bet that at some point in the first six months I will wish I had one for some purpose or other.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a hybrid SSD/HDD appear.
More than anything I want better screen resolution on the 13".
And I want there to still be a 13"!
I wouldn't be surprised to see a hybrid SSD/HDD appear.
More than anything I want better screen resolution on the 13".
And I want there to still be a 13"!
So you'll buy one for 35$ and plug it into your laptop and find out it all works like it did before ? Right ?
No need to be sarcastic with me, I know how external devices work. I won't need to "buy one for $35." I'm sure I already have one or two tucked away anyway and they don't take dollars in this part of the world.
Going back to my point for those who prefer to contribute intelligently, what I was meaning is that I am sure, in the first six months, a couple of occasions will arise when I wish I still had an integrated optical drive - i.e. "Oh, I'll stick it on a CD for you," or "I'll put in on disk for the car," but none of those situations are dealbreakers for me.
Not once did I say it won't happen: it will. It'll happen to everything eventually. Perhaps your reading comprehension is a little rusty.
However I don't think I'm being unreasonable expecting to play my hundreds of DVDs on my laptop for the next 5 years. Maybe if I said 25 years or 75 years, yes, I would be very unreasonable to expect that, but 5 years? Nah, nothing unreasonable about that.
Just because Apple might be getting rid of ODDs in their computers, doesn't mean the rest of the world is suddenly going to agree with their decision and do the same.
If Apple do remove ODDs in their laptops then all that will happen is some people will be pleased about it, and some people won't. I'm in the latter category, and I won't be buying an Apple laptop without an optical drive for the next 5 years, as I reasonably expect to be able to play my DVDs on my laptop for the next 5 years without buying an external drive.
I mean come on... every other single laptop can do it [not including netbooks] so it just seems ridiculous.
$1k for a laptop that can't play DVDs natively... I've never heard anything more hilarious in my entire life
I'd have to go back to look at timing, but I'm pretty sure that the tech transfers have happened faster than in 5 years - and the reality is that the trend away from optical discs has already started. I would venture to guess that these transfers from one medium to the next are happening at an ever faster rate and even expecting cd/dvd's to last 5 more years may be asking just too much.
It's not just going to be Apple driving this forward - with MS working towards their cloud system, they'll be next in line to shift from hard media to digital only. The expansion of Android will also push things ahead. You don't see any phones with mini-cd or dvd drives do you? Or tablets with cd or dvd drives?
It wasn't long ago that video cameras and some still cameras thought that the mini cd/dvd was the solution to the problems tapes, even digital tapes, had (I have a great Canon DV camcorder that used crappity crap digital tape, that is now all but useless). These things have all transitioned from magnetic or optical to digital.
The excitement the pc market has with trying to cash in on the ultra book segment will further push things towards a world without cd/dvd drives.
So my issue is with your hoping for 5 more years. Sure, you can keep what you have and keep using it to watch dvd's, but the distribution model will not be what it is today. Just think about it - a little more than 5 years ago, there was no iPhone and certainly no iPad, no Android phones or tablets, etc. The whole market shifted from what we knew as the standard to something altogether different in 5 years time.
*Old man rant about Final Cut, versatility, low cost of tapes, playback on decks and other DV camcorders, using the camcorder as a cheap deck*