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Agreed, I'm just saying that adding a second port is not going to magically make the 13" be able to have two monitors. I can't daisy chain two TB displays to the current 13" so why would it matter if there was a second port or not.

The problem, like you said, is the GPU. Hopefully this will be fixed in the next refresh, but if not, there are solutions available right now that allow you to hook up two monitors.
 
Agreed, I'm just saying that adding a second port is not going to magically make the 13" be able to have two monitors. I can't daisy chain two TB displays to the current 13" so why would it matter if there was a second port or not.

The problem, like you said, is the GPU. Hopefully this will be fixed in the next refresh, but if not, there are solutions available right now that allow you to hook up two monitors.


I agree 100% and I'm grateful for your insightful replies. ;)

Hopefully the updates will be pretty good. :D
 
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Agreed, I'm just saying that adding a second port is not going to magically make the 13" be able to have two monitors. I can't daisy chain two TB displays to the current 13" so why would it matter if there was a second port or not.

The problem, like you said, is the GPU. Hopefully this will be fixed in the next refresh, but if not, there are solutions available right now that allow you to hook up two monitors.

The GPU is not the problem in daisy chaining 2 TB displays to the 13" MBP. In fact, didn't someone make it work by basically just putting a device between both displays in the chain ?
 
If your order comes true lol...they can take my money too, might even cough up enough to get a 15". But not a air...when they have pads lol

I will be buying the new iPad along with the new :apple:TV shortly along with the Zaggfolio and other accessories.

I will probably go for the 15" MBP as a desktop replacement when updated.

However, I will have plenty of time to decide whether the iPad/MBP combo will suit me. If I need a smaller portable with OSX I will probably opt for an additional 11"/13" MBA.
 

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I find it absurd that the iPad gets this glorious screen, when the highest level of content is 1080p. Yet you cant resolve a whole page in Word on a 13 MBA or a 15 MBP. Come on Apple, lets get a glorious screen in the laptop line!

I really can't see how Apple would stick a crappy TN panel in the new Pros. I still have a hard time adjusting to the fact that we may not even have a retina display in the Pros and the iPad 3 would have a better screen still. It's proposterous. The Macbooks need something special in the screen department this year to make them on par/better than the iPad 3. I'm thinking OLED, that's more like it.....I wish.

While I cherish high quality screens and personally would like to see an IPS screen on an Apple notebook (one can dream), it is worth noting that Apple notebooks rate very highly when it comes to comparisons with screens on other notebooks.

However, according to PCPer:

"Ultrabooks cause problems for displays from two angles. One is size. The strict limit on a laptop’s maximum thickness places strict limits on what will fit inside the laptop - including the display panel.

Another issue is cost. At CES I asked a representative of a manufacturer that produces both laptops and tablets why they can squeeze such awesome displays into their tablets, but can’t do the same in their laptops. His response? The other components in a laptop are too expensive.

You could see the results of this on the show floor. Over at Samsung, for example, I checked out the new Series 5 and Series 9 ultrabooks. They were both nice. But I was struck by the Series 7 Chronos, a more conventional line of laptops. These laptops offer brilliant high-resolution displays that seemed to have much better viewing angles than the displays on Samsung’s ultrabooks.

This is an issue not only because of other laptops, but also because of smartphones and tablets. While laptop display quality has been stalled for years these more portable devices have been making huge strides. Several 1080p tablets were shown at CES, while smartphones are dabbling in 720p. It’s also not uncommon to see tablets and smartphones use IPS display technology.

Eventually, consumers are going to start wondering why they can view 1080p video on their $600 tablet but not on their $800 ultrabook. And as consumers notice this, they’ll start to more strongly prefer tablets to laptops for content consumption - which probably isn’t the result Intel is hoping for."


16:9 aspect though really grew on me with the 11" MBA. It just looks...sleeker and more modern whereas the big tall 15" MBPs look last year. As long as the resolution is respectable losing 150 pixels over a 16:10 panel doesn't bother me.

No thanks. I prefer the 16:10 aspect ratio for general office use. 16:9 is best when viewing movies, like on my HDTV.
 
mDP>VGA>VGA splitter... boom two monitors

I refuse to use VGA to hook up my monitors. I have 2 Dell 24" IPS displays. I'm not using VGA for those. I wouldn't even use VGA for a cheap LCD. I can tell a difference between VGA and DVI/DP

mDP>Dual-Link DVI Adapter.... boom two monitors

You can't connect dual link DVI to two monitors. Dual link DVI is to connect a single higher res display (think 30" cinema display) to a single DVI port. It's not capable of supporting 2 separate monitors.

So the solution here is to use VGA, a 20+ year old technology that delivers substandard video quality, or purchase two of Apple's Thunderbolt displays at $1000 a piece when I already have 2 perfectly good functioning monitors that cost half that price, or I can buy that DualHead2Go adapter that sells for over $200. Again, I ask, how is this acceptable on Apple's pro line of laptops, especially given the fact that I have a 2 year old HP laptop that can hook up to 2 monitors out of the box?

Also, I'd like to add that the DualHead adapter seems to work by tricking your computer into thinking that it's one big display instead of two separate displays, which means you lose the dual display functionality and configuration you normally would have. So it sounds like you would lose the ability to have something like a full screen video playing on one display and your desktop on the other display. Third party software and drivers might rectify this, but then you of course run the risk of compatibility problems when you upgrade your OS since it's not built in to the OS. Again, this is hardly a solution to the dual display problem, or as I call it, 2 Displays 1 Thunderbolt Port.

Edit: I looked into it for the hell of it, and it appears that your first "solution" of using a VGA splitter is only if you want the same thing mirrored on both external displays. So even that doesn't work for extended desktops.

So one again, we're back to where this all started: There is no good solution for hooking up two monitors to a single Thunderbolt port.
 
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Does anyone know how much they would have to increase the resolution by to get it to retina standards? What's the official viewing distance for a MBP? Also, would it be different for the different models of the MBP? We never had to consider this for the iPad or iPhone because they're uniform in terms of screen size.
 
Does anyone know how much they would have to increase the resolution by to get it to retina standards? What's the official viewing distance for a MBP? Also, would it be different for the different models of the MBP? We never had to consider this for the iPad or iPhone because they're uniform in terms of screen size.

I would also love to know this, one thing that they'd really need to improve on for a retina display in laptops would be battery life, we sw this need in the new iPad, I'm wondering how this will effect laptops.

On that note, if they gave us a more powerful battery to enable a better screen, how many people would complain they would have rathered have the same screen with twice the usual battery life. That seems to be what happens with all Apple products, people complain no matter what apple do
 
The GPU is not the problem in daisy chaining 2 TB displays to the 13" MBP. In fact, didn't someone make it work by basically just putting a device between both displays in the chain ?
Hi,

this is the Apple Support Document for "Apple Thunderbolt Display (27-inch): Connection options for Thunderbolt Macs". It notes that
Thunderbolt-capable Macs with only Intel HD Graphics 3000 integrated graphics can support one connected Apple Thunderbolt Display (27-inch)
and
Thunderbolt-capable Macs, with discrete AMD Radeon graphics can support up to two connected Apple Thunderbolt Displays.
This indicates to me that the GPU _is_ a factor.

Also,
You can connect a second Apple Thunderbolt Display (27-inch) to a 13-inch MacBook Pro, and the built-in display on the MacBook Pro will go dark. This is expected behavior.
iMac (27-inch, Mid 2011) with two Thunderbolt ports supports a total of two Thunderbolt displays regardless of which Thunderbolt port each display is connected to.

The issue with daisy-chaining a second display directly from an Apple Thunderbolt Display (ATD) is, as far as I have been able to understand, as follows.

The Thunderbolt (TB) 'hardware' in a device (specifically, the ATD, so this might not always be the case) is able to split from the Thunderbolt traffic ONE DisplayPort (DP) signal. This signal gets sent to the ATD's own internal screen. Therefore, if a DP monitor is connected to the ATD, the ATD CANNOT send that second screen the required DP stream. Again: the ATD can only send out TB signal, not DP. If you put another TB device between the ATD and the DP display, that intermediate device receives from the ATD a TB signal, and that intermediate device then splits off and outputs the required DP signal downstream to the DP display.

This is why daisy-chaining two ATDs works, but not an ATD and then a standard DP monitor.

If I've misunderstood this, please let me know, this is just the best I've been able to determine thus far.

Cheers,
A.
 
I refuse to use VGA to hook up my monitors. I have 2 Dell 24" IPS displays. I'm not using VGA for those. I wouldn't even use VGA for a cheap LCD. I can tell a difference between VGA and DVI/DP
ok... here

mDP>DVI

USB>DVI
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/NewerTech/VIDU2DVIA/

2 monitors.

^^he doesn't like matrox

apparently it is cheaper to buy a new computer at $1200-$2500 if apple allows dual display output than it is to buy a $200 adapter, but what do I know.
 
Hi,

this is the Apple Support Document for "Apple Thunderbolt Display (27-inch): Connection options for Thunderbolt Macs". It notes that

Who cares what the official docs state. The GPU is quite capable of pushing out the needed pixels.

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ok... here

mDP>DVI

USB>DVI
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/NewerTech/VIDU2DVIA/

2 monitors.

^^he doesn't like matrox

apparently it is cheaper to buy a new computer at $1200+ than to buy a $200 adapter, but what do I know.

USB->DVI sucks. It's not using your internal GPU but a 480 mbps bus connected GPU.

The Matrox dualhead2go and triplehead2go use your internal GPU and are the best multi-monitor setups you can get short of actual DP 1.2 daisy chaining.
 
I'm not saying I would use USB, nor that it's the best... I told this guy to use the Matrox 30 posts ago when he said there is "no way to hook up 2 monitors to a mbp"

He said he doesn't want to pay $200 for the adapter... so I'm offering cheaper solutions.

Thanks tho.
 
No. Ask Matrox.

I explained in my post why Matrox is not a solution. Tricking your computer into thinking you have one large display has drawbacks, including losing the ability to have full screen video on one display and your desktop on the other. This is according to a review linked from Matrox's own website.

ok... here

mDP>DVI

USB>DVI
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/NewerTech/VIDU2DVIA/

2 monitors.

^^he doesn't like matrox

apparently it is cheaper to buy a new computer at $1200-$2500 if apple allows dual display output than it is to buy a $200 adapter, but what do I know.

I currently have a 3 year old MacBook that doesn't even have a Thunderbolt port that I never hook up to a display, and a desktop PC that I have hooked up to 2 displays. I'm looking to consolidate and just have one laptop but need something more powerful than my MB, hence why I would probably consider the new MBPs when they're released. But if I couldn't continue use of my dual display setup, that could be a real dealbreaker for me. Seems like Apple could solve the problem by putting 2 TB/mDB ports on the new MBPs, something you claimed earlier isn't necessary. But I've shown it is.

I'm not saying I would use USB, nor that it's the best... I told this guy to use the Matrox 30 posts ago when he said there is "no way to hook up 2 monitors to a mbp"

He said he doesn't want to pay $200 for the adapter... so I'm offering cheaper solutions.

Thanks tho.

I shouldn't have to pay $200 for an adapter when there are so many PC laptops that support this right out of the box. The only adapter I would consider acceptable is something like a mDP->DP, DVI or HDMI which are only a few bucks. Paying an additional 200 bucks on top of the MBP, which is already priced higher than a PC equivalent with similar specs, just seems ridiculous to me.

The Matrox is a fix to a problem that shouldn't even exist on a premium, professional laptop, and it's a rather clunky fix at that.
 
There will be only slim MacBookPro as the news said.

No more optical drives.

You dont need powerful GPU in a laptop. If you are a gamer, you play with iOS or Xbox perhaps even AppleTV will have some games.

Laptops are for adults. Not for gaming children.

Stupid argument, 80% of gamers are 18 years old or older.

If I pay up for a macbook PRO, I don't expect anything less then it to have a dedicated GPU. Macbook with integrated graphics, yes that I can live with but a PRO without?
 
I mean you can keep complaining about a feature that you think should be implemented on a "pro" laptop, or you can use the solutions available. Your choice, I honestly don't care. You said there are no adapters/solutions, and I've given you a few... do what you want with them.

You can use a USB adapter if you don't want the Matrox (which is the best solution for dual monitor setups, but I guess for you it's some clunky, deceptive, hacked solution or something?) so that's an option that costs about $40 and would work but idk man whatever obviously nothing will make you happy so keep hoping that your old macbook is going to magically gain the ability to have multi monitor setups I guess.

And for the record, after Lion, when I have a second monitor plugged in and try to put full screen video, all other screens turn black. I think this is a "feature" of Lion and its full screen apps. Regardless, don't think this issue would be resolved by bypassing the Matrox.
 
I don't need thinner mbp's I want more powerful one's. No under-clocked CPU and GPU please. If I would've want thin I would've gone AIR.

For me the mbp has always been a no compromise desktop replacement.
 
I don't need thinner mbp's I want more powerful one's. No under-clocked CPU and GPU please. If I would've want thin I would've gone AIR.

For me the mbp has always been a no compromise desktop replacement.

Amen to that

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Who cares what the official docs state. The GPU is quite capable of pushing out the needed pixels.

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You do seem to rather employ a very combative tone on your thread comments. It is perfectly sensible to quote Apples technical documentation. If you wish to refute it, provide a counter reference, for example from intel. I think there is a danger on the internet we are less well mannered because of the medium. I think its always a good idea to type as if you were talking to the person face to face.

How about :

"The official docs may indicate that the integrated graphics can not power 2 displays, however that is incorrect. Here is a reference showing the Intel HD 3000 can support 2 27" displays."
 
THINNER THINNER THINNER!!!

Apple is the slim girl who's developing bulimia because she feels the need to be thinner, even though it's ultimately detrimental to her. If I want to watch a movie where I don't have internet service, I want to be able to pop in a DVD and watch my goddamn movie! How weak are you people that you can't carry a five pound laptop with you?


I agree, I'm a 19 yr old girl in college and I have no problem taking my MacBook pro 15 inch with me.
 
Do not want. Power and Battery Life >>>>>>>>> a few mm saved.

The Pros are already thin enough, time to push the advances into power and battery life instead of form factor.

Seems like they're just cash grabbing with the Mac line now. I mean, they sacrificed profit margin to make the iPad 3rd gen, I really don't see them doing that with the Mac.

When Apple, a PC maker, says that the world is in the "post PC era" you have to worry where their PC lineup will go.
 
Tests are showing that Intel HD4000 integrated GPU is more or as powerful as ATI 5770 in MacPro's so what is the point of having dedicated GPU anymore eating the battery and heating your balls?

You can play Skyrim with 40fps with that sucker, it IS enough for laptop. Come on!
 
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