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Slimmer 13" Retina MacBook Pro, Dual Mic MacBook Air Expected at WWDC

skaertus said:
People keep praising the track record of Ming-Chi Kuo. I've seen some pretty accurate predictions which impressed me. If I remember well, he predicted that the 17" MBP would be discontinued, and he was right. He also predicted the launch of the iPad Mini, the new iMac and the 13" rMBP in late 2012, and he was also right. However, I don't have his complete track record. Does somebody has it, so we can keep an eye on what his hits and misses were?
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It's not a complete list but here are other accurate rumors I posted last time I was discussing Kuo's track record.

He was right about:
In-Cell Touch Technology Could Help Apple Reduce Next iPhone's Thickness by 15%
Tweaked iPad and New 'iPad Mini' Said to Closely Follow Next-Generation iPhone Launch
Apple to Update iPod Touch with 4-Inch Display, A5 Chip, Buffed Aluminum Rear Shell?
'Biggest Upgrade Ever' for iPod Touch to Bring New Colors, GPS, Camera Improvements?
13-Inch Retina MacBook Pro Coming in October?
Apple Planning to Introduce White iPod Touch Later This Year?
Apple Phasing Out White MacBook in Favor of Entry-Level MacBook Air?

You can see some other here in a picture of a website I almost made but didn't come to fruition.
 
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TC03 said:
I see your point, but the future is thin and not thick. Apple should be in the future as soon as possible.
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I'm not sure you see my point. My point was when is "thin" thin enough? I suggest the current level of "thin" is thin enough... especially if thinner comes at the price of more hardware functionality removal and/or battery capacity. In other words (and IMO), I think "thin" as some kind of big marketing benefit has about run it's course. I can't imagine being happy when the 2022 super-retina MBP is as thin as a sheet of paper (and has no ports because none can be that thin). I don't want a laptop as thin as a sheet of paper (much too thin- and thus fragile- IMO).
 
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skaertus said:
Apple could drop the prices of the 15" rMBP to US$ 1,999 and US$ 2,499, but not further, I guess. The lower-end model will hardly cost US$ 1,799, even if Apple dropped the 15" cMPB.

That said, I guess the 15" rMBP was not a bad seller, considering Apple's expectations. On the opposite, it sold quite well, for the price range. The problem has been the 13" rMBP, which at US$ 1,699 and US$ 1,999, was too expensive. Now, at US$ 1,499 and US$ 1,699, it is more palatable and should sell more. Still, it has stiff competition from the MBA.
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I'm sure I read somewhere the analysts are forecasting significant falls in Mac sales YoY and for the quarter just ended on 31 May, in which case they would be forced into dropping some of the prices. In the UK the 15" MBP-R starts at £1800 and rises to £2300 for the most realistic option. That's a lot of money for a laptop no matter how good it is. Given that there isn't a 15" MBA if you want a reasonably priced MB with a 15" screen there is only one option - the older non-retina model. Take that away and it will just push people away from the Mac onto Windows laptops instead.
 
Shaun said:
I'm sure I read somewhere the analysts are forecasting significant falls in Mac sales YoY and for the quarter just ended on 31 May, in which case they would be forced into dropping some of the prices. In the UK the 15" MBP-R starts at £1800 and rises to £2300 for the most realistic option. That's a lot of money for a laptop no matter how good it is. Given that there isn't a 15" MBA if you want a reasonably priced MB with a 15" screen there is only one option - the older non-retina model. Take that away and it will just push people away from the Mac onto Windows laptops instead.
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I'm surprised they've not introduced a 15 inch Air for 1149 GBP or similar.
 
That's about the last thing we need slimmer macbooks. Who honestly give a crap how thin they are now? They are already very thin.... :mad:
 
As a industry professional who relies on portable, powerful and reliable mac hardware to carry out my profession i think not upgrading the cMBP's would be terrible for Apple's power users who they have targeted for years. User professional need the I/O, they need the HDD space and need the user repairability.

Apple and other tech companies who are hell bent on making "the thinnest product ever" are doing so at the sacrifice of core features and functionality.In an ever increasing digital age where pictures, HD video take up a large amount of space users need a large HDD and the ability to upgrade it in years to come.

With Apple's emphasis on design and style i don't think it's very "stylish" to have "the thinnest macbook pro ever" surrounded by external HDD's because the inbuild SSD is too small.

Why Apple doesn't make a cMBP retina /Haswell with Nvida GTX750m/No Superdrive/SSD option or Fusion drive is beyond me..
 
iSunrise said:
I doubt they would kill off the PRO users consciously, however, most of the stuff they introduced definitely has some flaws that past Apple-purchasers can't easily overlook. If Apple wants me to keep paying such steep prices for their PRO stuff, they need to innovate and build them towards the needs of a pro. A retina display and better performance is not something i would consider PRO. Also, slimmer is not something we really needed, when the old cMBP was pretty slim already. If you make something slimmer all the time, you sacrifice on potential options for internal components, which is exactly the wrong way to do it.

Apple needs to kill the old cMBP and re-invent a new retina PRO model line-up without compromises.

I want an iPad Pro, Macbook Pro and Mac Pro from Apple that really feels like I am owning something special for my work and the flexibility I need every day.

Thinner and lighter, I can't read that anymore or I am gonna throw up.
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Unfortunately, Apple realised that PRO users aren't stupid enough to buy their RAM and disk drives from Apple. So they made it impossible for us to upgrade it once it's ordered.

So now us "PRO" people really DO have to have "PRO" salaries to afford a "PRO" Apple product.

I just hope they never take away our matte-screen option. Not the matte-screen option :( Take anything from us BUT the matte screen option!!!
 
pgiguere1 said:
It's not a complete list but here are other accurate rumors I posted last time I was discussing Kuo's track record.

He was right about:
In-Cell Touch Technology Could Help Apple Reduce Next iPhone's Thickness by 15%
Tweaked iPad and New 'iPad Mini' Said to Closely Follow Next-Generation iPhone Launch
Apple to Update iPod Touch with 4-Inch Display, A5 Chip, Buffed Aluminum Rear Shell?
'Biggest Upgrade Ever' for iPod Touch to Bring New Colors, GPS, Camera Improvements?
13-Inch Retina MacBook Pro Coming in October?
Apple Planning to Introduce White iPod Touch Later This Year?
Apple Phasing Out White MacBook in Favor of Entry-Level MacBook Air?

You can see some other here in a picture of a website I almost made but didn't come to fruition.
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Wow, impressive! So 69.2% of his predictions are accurate, and he has a reliability of 78%. I didn't know this website, it's an interesting concept. Which is the address to this website?

Which are the predictions which were inaccurate and/or unverified? Do you know that?

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Shaun said:
I'm sure I read somewhere the analysts are forecasting significant falls in Mac sales YoY and for the quarter just ended on 31 May, in which case they would be forced into dropping some of the prices. In the UK the 15" MBP-R starts at £1800 and rises to £2300 for the most realistic option. That's a lot of money for a laptop no matter how good it is. Given that there isn't a 15" MBA if you want a reasonably priced MB with a 15" screen there is only one option - the older non-retina model. Take that away and it will just push people away from the Mac onto Windows laptops instead.
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Apple, being the behemoth it is, certainly has the knowledge of the market. I don't know how many people would buy a 13" or a 15" rMBP instead of a 15" cMBP, or how many would prefer a Windows machine for the price instead.

Anyway, US$ 1,799 is a lot for a 15" laptop, and there are options in the Windows world with similar specs and a much lower price. I don't know if price is really a concern for people already spending so much money on a laptop.
 
gnasher729 said:
The PowerBook 100 was made by Sony. :D

There are a few photos on the internet that trolls love to post with carefully positioned Braun products made by Dieter Rams that supposedly prove how Apple copied him. A few photos from normal angles:

Spot the iMac in this photo: Image

(It's the Braun LE1 speaker, which photographed exactly from a right angle show a silhouette like an iMac; in a front view there is no similarity)

Guess what this product is supposed to be:
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(Stand it on the side, then take a photo from the front so you can't see how deep it is, and voila! An iPod! )

This one you will find hard to figure out, the Braun T1000 radio:
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Hint: It has a cover, probably to protect it during transport. With that cover, you can't see it's a radio.
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Do you understand the difference between plagiarism and inspiration?

Jony Ive is a fan of Dieter Rams' design philosophy so it's only natural that he would draw some inspiration from those designs. In the same way that great painters have drawn their inspiration from Picasso or Monet. That doesn't translate into direct copies.
 
Battery life?

I am curious what the battery life on these new MacBooks will be and whether Apple will ditch discrete graphics in an effort to increase battery life.

In his review of the new Intel integrated graphics, AnandTech has some interesting results:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/20

Has Intel caught up on graphics? We could get some huge power savings by having only integrated graphics. We'll find out soon.
 
I really wish Apple would return to focusing on user upgradeability as opposed to "thinner and lighter". I do understand why Apple does it. So that people will buy there products more often. If you can't upgrade the MBP or iMac or whatnot therefore extending it's lifespan you have to buy a whole new one more frequently as the old one becomes "obsolete". I want my Mac to still run at decent speeds 6-7 years down the road before I have to think of upgrading. Not every 3-4 years or maybe less. Apple should have kept the retina MBP in the form factor of the "classic" MBP and used the optical drive bay as a second hard drive bay. That way people can put in two drive if they wanted. Simply leave the optical drive bay empty by default so that anyone who wants to put in a second HDD or SSD can do so. And we would be able to use standard size 2.5" HDD or SSD instead of proprietary ones. Same with Ram. Don't solder it to the motherboard. Keep it user upgradeable too.

Yes all this is available to do with the "classic" MBP but there's not retina display available for that. You have to sacrifice all that to get retina. Put the two together and maybe have retina as an option just like the matte screen is an option. Anyway just my two cents.
 
bigpoppamac31 said:
I really wish Apple would return to focusing on user upgradeability as opposed to "thinner and lighter". I do understand why Apple does it. So that people will buy there products more often. If you can't upgrade the MBP or iMac or whatnot therefore extending it's lifespan you have to buy a whole new one more frequently as the old one becomes "obsolete". I want my Mac to still run at decent speeds 6-7 years down the road before I have to think of upgrading. Not every 3-4 years or maybe less. Apple should have kept the retina MBP in the form factor of the "classic" MBP and used the optical drive bay as a second hard drive bay. That way people can put in two drive if they wanted. Simply leave the optical drive bay empty by default so that anyone who wants to put in a second HDD or SSD can do so. And we would be able to use standard size 2.5" HDD or SSD instead of proprietary ones. Same with Ram. Don't solder it to the motherboard. Keep it user upgradeable too.
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Upgradability is just not a need for many with today's computing. Also your Mac doesn't lose speed. That's on you if you decide to run applications that are coded for a more up to date processor. The Mac you buy will run the applications made to work best with it for many years to come.
 
PBP said:
Yep, i'm not buying a cMBP for the same price with hardware that's a year old.
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The cost of the cMBP for educational institutions dropped to $999 before discounts for large quantity purchases. We will be buying these computers for our staff this year due to 500 GB hard drives. If Airs had a 512 GB drive for the same price or just slightly higher, we would buy them instead. Once Apple can get costs down for SSDs, the cMBP will be gone completely. I wonder if the cMBP will be discontinued for all but educational institutions after WWDC... just like the unibody MacBooks.
 
skaertus said:
Wow, impressive! So 69.2% of his predictions are accurate, and he has a reliability of 78%. I didn't know this website, it's an interesting concept. Which is the address to this website?
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It's not a real website, just a work-in-progress of something I've made but never published.

I was supposed to collect data which a bunch of redditors following this post on r/apple but the other people didn't really contribute and stopped posting on our private subreddit so I didn't continue alone since I have very little free time with school and work.

It's still a project that I would have loved to do and that would have been useful to the Apple rumor community but I don't have the patience to collect all data on my own.

What I did is code a simple HTML/CSS template and the tables and graphs are made using the Google Charts API. The real hard work would have been to collect (and maintain) all data from rumors dating back from the last decade.

Most of the numbers (reliability/accuracy %) you see on the screenshot are just placeholders extrapolated from an incomplete list of rumors, so they're not totally accurate. The list you see is though. The unverified rumors were mostly recent ones about upcoming iPhones/iPads/Macs.
 
I want an upgradable MacBook!

Why can't they put Retina screens in the regular MacBook Pros and keep the line alive? I want a MacBook that has an optical drive and, more importantly, allows me to upgrade both the RAM and the HD/SSD drive over time.

I don't need to shave another 0.2" or 1 pound off an already ridiculously thin/light notebook by soldering the whole thing together. If I had wanted a MacBook Air, I would have bought one!

My current MacBook Pro has 8 GB and a 240 GB SSD. I need more space on both, so this week I'm going to pickup 16 GB and a 500 GB SSD. If it was a Retina, I would simply be screwed. I wouldn't have even been able to order the max amounts to begin with because Apple doesn't offer a 16 GB upgrade and I wouldn't have been able to afford 500 GB SSD at the time.

Apple: how hard is it to screw the back case on and allow us to swap the drive and RAM?
 
Paul Christian said:
Here's what I'd love to see... kill the current Macbook Pro, have the retina Macbook Pro replace it and just call it Macbook Pro (we know about the retina by now). Rename the air to Macbook (we know its thin by now), and give it retina. Done. From 3 models to 2, a slimmer line-up, and names that are simpler.
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That would be great if the rMBP would include a 512 GB SSD for the same or slightly higher price. If not, then I hope they don't discontinue the cMBP for at least one more year. If the cMBP sticks around for one more year at the same price, there had better be a processor update, too!
 
Mr Fusion said:
I don't understand the dislike for the retina display. I personally think it's gorgeous and worth a few extra bucks. And after looking at it, I can't ever see myself going back to a non-retina screen. :eek:
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Its not the retina display for me, its what you have to give up to get it. Its not worth having a non-user serviceable system with soldered RAM and a proprietary SSD ONLY Macbook. Make it a little thicker with a retina screen, user upgradeable RAM and drive and I am sold.

Thin is NOT the only path to innovation...
 
Other companies make things that did not sell well, after a time comes apple combine the elements to make a best product that sell very well, after that other companies copy apples recipe
 
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