Slimmer 13" Retina MacBook Pro, Dual Mic MacBook Air Expected at WWDC

[HenryDJP]

Of course it is. Apple just wants you to "upgrade" to an entirely new machine.

LOL, understandable and true but if everyone here (old enough to run a company of course ) was honest about it they know they would do the same as Apple does. Can't argue a company's decisions who built themselves to $150 billion cash in the bank. Not saying I love all their decisions but what they've done has brought them so much more business.

Other companies that give too much get very little back from consumers.

 

[bigpoppamac31]

Upgradability is just not a need for many with today's computing. Also your Mac doesn't lose speed. That's on you if you decide to run applications that are coded for a more up to date processor. The Mac you buy will run the applications made to work best with it for many years to come.

True cause the industry (mainly Apple) has trained our thinking that way. And yes "many" people but not all. Many of us still want upgradeability without buying a whole new Mac. True my Mac may not lose speed technically but a 2011 MBP (my current Mac) versus say a 2016 MBP is going to be a huge difference in speed and performance. Yes I'll have to buy a new Mac eventually but it'd be nice to be able to upgrade in the mean time. You can't even get a TB of hard drive in a retina MBP whereas a "classic" MBP you can cause of the two drive bays. Once I run out of HD space I want to be able to upgrade to a bigger drive. Not buy a whole new Mac. Yes I can store my files on an external drive but that kinda defeats the purpose of a portable computer. And I don't care for "cloud computing". Never have and never will. I want my files on my hard drive in my house. Not stored on some server farm somewhere.

 

[shurcooL]

This is good, because the current 13" rMBP is actually slightly thicker (!) than 15" rMBP.

 

[tgi]

I keep seeing BTO in various threads. What does it mean?

 

[bigpoppamac31]

I keep seeing BTO in various threads. What does it mean?

It means "build to order".

 

[Macboy Pro]

I keep seeing BTO in various threads. What does it mean?

When you look at the add-on prices, it translates to "B"end "T"heheck "O"ver !!

 

[pgiguere1]

I keep seeing BTO in various threads. What does it mean?

Built To Order.

It's when you customize a Mac from the Apple online store so that its specs don't match those of the 2-3 default models. BTO models can't be bought in store, all you'll sometimes find is a maxed out model not listed on Apple's website.

 

[timehawk]

Upgrading more often is likely

I want my Mac to still run at decent speeds 6-7 years down the road before I have to think of upgrading.

I think the days of upgrading a computer every 6-7 years are behind us. New cloud/agent/data integration will likely see people compelled to upgrade within 5 years.

 

[hleewell]

No he did not. From the link that you provided ( and still left below).


" ... Kuo believes that Apple will wait until next year to re-simplify its notebook lines with Intel's Haswell platform, at which point the company will merge the MacBook Pro and this new MacBook model, leaving a set of four models: 11-inch and 13-inch MacBook Airs and 13-inch and 15-inch MacBooks. ... "


Now is the projecting that they will not do that. That means even he is stating that his old prediction was wrong. "

You sounded you wanted this analyst to be wrong. Actually, I would love it if Apple simplify line up this way:

11" MBA - the ultra-thin portable segment
13" rMBP - powerful in a small package
15" rMBP - high end, high performance

That's it. Simplified.

 

[chrisrosemusic1]

Wow, pretty disappointed that my 4 month old rMBP 13" will be re designed already if this is the case...

Not that I need to upgrade, nor care, but I seem to keep missing out on proper refreshes - didn't think I could go wrong with this machine

 

[pgiguere1]

No he did not. From the link that you provided ( and still left below).


" ... Kuo believes that Apple will wait until next year to re-simplify its notebook lines with Intel's Haswell platform, at which point the company will merge the MacBook Pro and this new MacBook model, leaving a set of four models: 11-inch and 13-inch MacBook Airs and 13-inch and 15-inch MacBooks. ... "


Now is the projecting that they will not do that. That means even he is stating that his old prediction was wrong. Granted he is reputable in that he is correcting his flawed predictions. But his prediction was wrong. You stated it was correct (implicating his correctness makes him highly reputable ) . Being wrong does not enhance a reputation as being very reliable. Kuo is far more accurate than many other so called analyst that can't seem to find they own butts with both hands. However, that particular prediction isn't doing any better than the other random joe blow "analysts"

To be fair, Apple probably don't have 100% final plans over a year in advance. They must react to the popularity of their offerings amongst consumers, the competition and fluctuating cost of components. There's a possibility that Apple themselves changed their mind during the last year.

It's rumored that the 13" rMBP isn't as popular as expected and that the aging 13" cMBP is still the most popular MacBook around.

 

[bigpoppamac31]

I think the days of upgrading a computer every 6-7 years are behind us. New cloud/agent/data integration will likely see people compelled to upgrade within 5 years.

Well 5 years is not too bad. But even so I don't care for "cloud computing". I don't believe in it. I don't want some stranger (aka government) perusing all my files. Besides that if the user can't even open his/her Mac to upgrade things because it's so difficult then Apple's not making it any easier for their technicians.

 

[skaertus]

It's not a real website, just a work-in-progress of something I've made but never published.

I was supposed to collect data which a bunch of redditors following this post on r/apple but the other people didn't really contribute and stopped posting on our private subreddit so I didn't continue alone since I have very little free time with school and work.

It's still a project that I would have loved to do and that would have been useful to the Apple rumor community but I don't have the patience to collect all data on my own.

What I did is code a simple HTML/CSS template and the tables and graphs are made using the Google Charts API. The real hard work would have been to collect (and maintain) all data from rumors dating back from the last decade.

Most of the numbers (reliability/accuracy %) you see on the screenshot are just placeholders extrapolated from an incomplete list of rumors, so they're not totally accurate. The list you see is though. The unverified rumors were mostly recent ones about upcoming iPhones/iPads/Macs.

That is indeed a great idea. Have you tried to contact the people at MacRumors.com?

 

[cclloyd]

When will they combine the iMac and MBP into this?

 

[rumplestiltskin]

Two more mistakes...

Where's the 15" MacBook Air with 1680x1050 display? Allegedly wasn't launched when the hinges were found to be too weak. Disappointed it hasn't been released. Retina Display? That answers a question I didn't ask and, now that I've read the reasons for its exostence, I still don't buy it. When I tried a 15" at the Apple Store, imagine my disappointment when the screen was, by default, set to 1440x900. That's what my 13" MBA has! So I adjusted the resolution and found that...you guessed it...the 1680x1050 resolution worked best. That's simply the Hi-Res display so this "Retina Display" is, IMHO, a waste of money.

I know buying an Air limits upgrades (although OWC had a larger SSD for my 2011 Air) but the expense and limited upgradeability of the Retina models I find just unacceptable.

If Apple would put a Haswell chip into the MacBook Pro 15" with Hi-Res screen (not Retina), I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

 

[skaertus]

Wow, pretty disappointed that my 4 month old rMBP 13" will be re designed already if this is the case...

Not that I need to upgrade, nor care, but I seem to keep missing out on proper refreshes - didn't think I could go wrong with this machine

It's not going to be redesigned. It's going to get slightly thinner, but in an almost unnoticeable way. I would bet it will go from 0.75" to 0.71". Not really going to make any difference, but it's just get symmetrical with the 15" rMBP.

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We already have more than 200 posts on this thread. The rMBP upgrade is indeed a hot topic!

 

[flottenheimer]

I don't know what I will do the day I am not able to get my hands on a pro laptop without a retina display.
A lot of my work is designing on a pixel level—and I need to be able to create and preview things at a non-retina pixel density. At least until the day, when more people rock retina than non-retina.

 

[CosmoCopus]

I recovered my username/password and making my first post just to say that if apple discontinues the non rMBP, and keeps the price the same, they'll lose this customer. I was waiting for WWDC to buy a 15" non rMBP but if they discontinue it and keep the price for the rMBP at what it is now, they'll be missing out on a price range for a wide range of customers. What if I want something more powerful than a MacBook Air but not at the ridiculous price point of the rMBP with increased storage and upgradable memory? I don't want to buy a laptop with old tech and I think many don't want to either. They should upgrade the processors one last time and announce that they're discontinuing it. I hope they make the right move

I think they will lose a lot of customers if they do that. The retina models are too expensive and watered down.

 

[brownpaw]

Is anyone else in the same boat as me? The retina displays are beautiful, but I really don't want to take the hit in performance on the graphics side for it. I do some minor gaming on my MBP and I feel like the jump to retina would just kill framerates.

 

[skaertus]

I don't know what I will do the day I am not able to get my hands on a pro laptop without a retina display.
A lot of my work is designing on a pixel level—and I need to be able to create and preview things at a non-retina pixel density. At least until the day, when more people rock retina than non-retina.

An external monitor won't solve this issue?

 

[blue22]

planned obsolescence...

Regarding the cMBP, I think it's unfortunate that Apple doesn't want to update the system to feature the latest Haswell CPU chips, but from a business standpoint I can understand why they want to phase out that particular product line in favor of the rMBP.

Either way of it, I just hope the new 2013 rMBP sports a higher native resolution than what's currently being featured.

 

[Lunfai]

Is anyone else in the same boat as me? The retina displays are beautiful, but I really don't want to take the hit in performance on the graphics side for it. I do some minor gaming on my MBP and I feel like the jump to retina would just kill framerates.

If it load and is ser to a resolution at 1280x800 I'm pretty sure it will be same on a non retina machine. I'm not sure though.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

Is anyone else in the same boat as me? The retina displays are beautiful, but I really don't want to take the hit in performance on the graphics side for it. I do some minor gaming on my MBP and I feel like the jump to retina would just kill framerates.

My girlfriend just bought a rMBP, and I find I prefer the MBA's matte screen with more real estate over the rMBP. And of course since the insides are near identical they're both just as piss poor for gaming.

 

[gnasher729]

Do you understand the difference between plagiarism and inspiration?

Jony Ive is a fan of Dieter Rams' design philosophy so it's only natural that he would draw some inspiration from those designs. In the same way that great painters have drawn their inspiration from Picasso or Monet. That doesn't translate into direct copies.

You got completely the wrong end of the stick here. The point is that Apple has been accused by cleverly appointed photographs to have copied Dieter Rams designs, when in reality there is not the slightest similarity.

 

[marvin4653]

Where's the 15" MacBook Air with 1680x1050 display? Allegedly wasn't launched when the hinges were found to be too weak. Disappointed it hasn't been released. Retina Display? That answers a question I didn't ask and, now that I've read the reasons for its exostence, I still don't buy it. When I tried a 15" at the Apple Store, imagine my disappointment when the screen was, by default, set to 1440x900. That's what my 13" MBA has! So I adjusted the resolution and found that...you guessed it...the 1680x1050 resolution worked best. That's simply the Hi-Res display so this "Retina Display" is, IMHO, a waste of money.

I know buying an Air limits upgrades (although OWC had a larger SSD for my 2011 Air) but the expense and limited upgradeability of the Retina models I find just unacceptable.

If Apple would put a Haswell chip into the MacBook Pro 15" with Hi-Res screen (not Retina), I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

A million times this. I want a higher-resolution screen than the 1440x900 screen in the 13", without the performance hit of the Retina display. If Apple won't increase the resolution of the 13" Air display, give me a 15" Air at 1680x1050.