But the current rumors about this are reporting that it would be "half the size of the iPhone 4". That's just too small to not have its own redesigned OS/user interface.
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But the current rumors about this are reporting that it would be "half the size of the iPhone 4". That's just too small to not have its own redesigned OS/user interface.
And that phone found in a bar last year is NOT the new iPhone.No Way.Only an idiot would think so.The design is totally un-Apple.And those black lines on the side,Apple would never,never do that.And they'd never let a prototype off campus anyway,so it's impossible.Obviously some cheap crappy looking Chinese garbage.
Beware of people who think they absolutely know what Apple will do.
They don't.
I don't really think "edge to edge" display means that the display makes up the whole face, it would look really really stupid. I think the parts with the facetime camera and home button will stay, just the bezel to the left and right of the screen will be shrunk down to a minimum.
I imagine in like this: http://npshare.de/files/870deb3a/iphone4m.jpg
Although I still don't believe it is going to happen.
I imagine in like this: http://npshare.de/files/870deb3a/iphone4m.jpg
Although I still don't believe it is going to happen.
They don't need to shrink it perhaps they are going buttonless, moving the speaker to the top instead of the face, dropping the camera and having the same screen size (probobly not retina) and just getting rid of all the black space.
People said the iphone4 leak last year couldn't possibly be the real iphone because Apple wouldn't make something that looked like that...until Steve had it on stage.
"Half the size" likely means surface area, which can be reached by dropping the dimensions by just 30%.
0.7x0.7=0.49
I can see the screen shrinking by 25% (wouldn't have to drop the full 30% if the bezel is being reduced) and losing the Retina display resolution. Probably the older processor and GPUs as well to keep costs down. Web browsing and whatnot would be less attractive, but for the basics and a few apps, I can see a market for this.
Whoever mentioned sales in Asia probably hit the nail on the head. A much cheaper phone that does almost everything the bigger brother does would probably have a better chance in new/emerging markets compared to the US and Europe. I don't see many people switching from a full iPhone to the "nano" or whatever it ends up being called, but it would be a very interesting option when competing against the cheap and disposable non-smart phones.
0.7x0.7=0.49
I can see the screen shrinking by 25% (wouldn't have to drop the full 30% if the bezel is being reduced) and losing the Retina display resolution. Probably the older processor and GPUs as well to keep costs down. Web browsing and whatnot would be less attractive, but for the basics and a few apps, I can see a market for this.
Whoever mentioned sales in Asia probably hit the nail on the head. A much cheaper phone that does almost everything the bigger brother does would probably have a better chance in new/emerging markets compared to the US and Europe. I don't see many people switching from a full iPhone to the "nano" or whatever it ends up being called, but it would be a very interesting option when competing against the cheap and disposable non-smart phones.
I thought about this, mostly in relation with Nokia and its problems. There are people who want just a phone to make phone calls and maybe sending / receiving text messages. There are people who want a bit more, like taking photos and playing music. And there are people who want a gadget that lets them install hundred different applications and use them all the time - and it also makes phone call. The iPhone is perfect for the third category of people. Android does reasonably well for the third category, and due to low price it's also suitable for the second category and the cheapest products even apply to category 1. Nokia has the problem that they have no product for category 3, where most of the money is.
Apple _could_ build a phone that caters to the first two categories. No apps, no 3G, no WiFi. Just phone, texting, music, camera, photos. A highly optimised user interface reduced to these task, which makes it a lot easier and faster to use. A high quality display. Either 16 GB storage, priced not much more than a 16 GB iPod nano, or 2 GB, priced a lot cheaper. And the main point of the whole product would be to make it a really, really nice phone for plain phone users.
Even today, I guess 90% of all phones are sold into this market. A lot is sold on price, but only because there isn't much difference between products. A phone that stands out from the crowd could definitely sell a lot at a price that makes a good profit.
And with edge to edge icons, you'll be constantly closing the apps you opened just by virtue of holding the thing. I know, I know... Steve will say we are holding it wrong. So he's just gonna have to show us!
But do we hold it with our pinky finger up in the air?
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I think Apple is bluffing!! And wall street journal is dumb to believe it.
I think Apple is bluffing!! And wall street journal is dumb to believe it.
No.When it was released Apple said it was not related to iOS,they just made it loos similar.
It is not an iOS device in any way manner or form.
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Could be, wouldn't be the first time Apple puts out false information to close down leaks.
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Could be, wouldn't be the first time Apple puts out false information to close down leaks.
WSJ has been right several times. Give them some credit.
Granted, if they're wrong we can slander and pile on and laugh at the WSJ, but I'm inclined to hold my fire for right now.
assuming the screen is only slightly smaller (25-30%) and exactly half the resolution of the current iPhone 4, there would be no reason Apple couldn't make it immediately capable of running half resolution versions of all current apps and then allow developers to slowly update their apps to be more compatible over time
that is exactly what they did with iPad only initially doubling resolution until individual app compatibility was implemented by developers
and you are out of your mind if you think Apple would release a phone (or any mobile computing device) that is not in the iTunes/app store ecosystem
As much as I agree that this device is likely to have user experience 'difficulties' I'm starting to think it quite likely, and likely to come as part of a larger rework of the whole iPhone/iPod lineup.
My impression (entirely speculative, but tell me if it doesn't make sense) is that the iPod line has some problems right now, mostly centered on the current Nano being too small for a lot of people and not having any real commonality with the rest of the line. Most notably I suspect they'd really like to bring back video on the Nano but just can't do it on the new screen (although I suppose Nano video was always marginal, so who knows on that front). My guess, then, is the Nano phone comes alongside an iPod Touch Nano (won't they PLEASE just officially call them iTouch - well maybe not). The current nano could then take the place of the screenless shuffle with the same hardware at reduced price (although it wouldn't surprise me if it DID go to iOS at some point and start getting apps once they accept the interface incompatibilities a Nano phone will create and assuming the rumours of a system for developer resolution independence bear fruit). I'd actually guess that the current Nano will still have a shuffle model below it though (and will be given an entirely new title with the re branding, since they will want to pair the new phone with the more established Nano title and Shuffle makes less sense once you have a screen).
The new SCREENLESS shuffle on the other hand is, IMO the least likely part of what occurred to me, but I can't imagine that they haven't looked at the earpiece based design everyone and their brother imagined when the saw the cigarette lighter. That said, Apple being Apple, my actual guess is only that there will continue to be a screenless, sub $100 model (I'm thinking that the current Nano probably just isn't ready to go that low yet with what is a small but high quality screen).
The above note about the Shuffle leads me to my last point which is really just a response to the line of thought that a smaller/cheaper iPhone doesn't fit with Apple's high revenue/low volume strategy of not competing for the bottom of the market. While they do generally follow this, it just hasn't been true for some time in the iPod segment, with the Shuffle forming a large part of their maintenance of market domination. Given that they really do seem to look at the phones as a spinoff of the iPods rather than the computers or an entirely separate market I am not entirely sure that their conventional strategy applies (especially when combined with how close to dominant they are in phones with a SINGLE model, and that the iPad does to some extent represent a roundabout entry into the netbook price range). On a related note, also supporting the new phone, I suspect that the company would be happier with a Nano type device than the current strategy of having an older and almost completely unpromoted version of the phones remain available they are using now.
My impression (entirely speculative, but tell me if it doesn't make sense) is that the iPod line has some problems right now, mostly centered on the current Nano being too small for a lot of people and not having any real commonality with the rest of the line. Most notably I suspect they'd really like to bring back video on the Nano but just can't do it on the new screen (although I suppose Nano video was always marginal, so who knows on that front). My guess, then, is the Nano phone comes alongside an iPod Touch Nano (won't they PLEASE just officially call them iTouch - well maybe not). The current nano could then take the place of the screenless shuffle with the same hardware at reduced price (although it wouldn't surprise me if it DID go to iOS at some point and start getting apps once they accept the interface incompatibilities a Nano phone will create and assuming the rumours of a system for developer resolution independence bear fruit). I'd actually guess that the current Nano will still have a shuffle model below it though (and will be given an entirely new title with the re branding, since they will want to pair the new phone with the more established Nano title and Shuffle makes less sense once you have a screen).
The new SCREENLESS shuffle on the other hand is, IMO the least likely part of what occurred to me, but I can't imagine that they haven't looked at the earpiece based design everyone and their brother imagined when the saw the cigarette lighter. That said, Apple being Apple, my actual guess is only that there will continue to be a screenless, sub $100 model (I'm thinking that the current Nano probably just isn't ready to go that low yet with what is a small but high quality screen).
The above note about the Shuffle leads me to my last point which is really just a response to the line of thought that a smaller/cheaper iPhone doesn't fit with Apple's high revenue/low volume strategy of not competing for the bottom of the market. While they do generally follow this, it just hasn't been true for some time in the iPod segment, with the Shuffle forming a large part of their maintenance of market domination. Given that they really do seem to look at the phones as a spinoff of the iPods rather than the computers or an entirely separate market I am not entirely sure that their conventional strategy applies (especially when combined with how close to dominant they are in phones with a SINGLE model, and that the iPad does to some extent represent a roundabout entry into the netbook price range). On a related note, also supporting the new phone, I suspect that the company would be happier with a Nano type device than the current strategy of having an older and almost completely unpromoted version of the phones remain available they are using now.
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maybe they saw the nokia/ms merger on the wall and decided they needed something to compete with a commodity production with a big o/s on it.
I think people are looking at this wrong. My guess is the smaller iphone is just going to be the latest version of the cheap iphone..
I think we're at the point where a big announcement of an iphone 5 won't happen. We might get a faster CPU, more storage but the camera is pretty decent in the current one. Oh, of course we'll get an iphone that will work on both Verizon and AT&T for the Americans.
Saying that, they can't sell the iphone 4 cheaply like they did with the 3GS for the time being. Something similar in form factor to the 3GS but with (possibly) facetime ability and the strength inside to run ios5 whenever that comes out. With new tech it's got to be smaller than before.
Another guess? The numbers are going to disappear. It's just going to be called The Iphone and The Iphone Nano/Mini/Tiny whatever name they stick with. Come update time you're just going to find better specs on both the models in the store.
I think we're at the point where a big announcement of an iphone 5 won't happen. We might get a faster CPU, more storage but the camera is pretty decent in the current one. Oh, of course we'll get an iphone that will work on both Verizon and AT&T for the Americans.
Saying that, they can't sell the iphone 4 cheaply like they did with the 3GS for the time being. Something similar in form factor to the 3GS but with (possibly) facetime ability and the strength inside to run ios5 whenever that comes out. With new tech it's got to be smaller than before.
Another guess? The numbers are going to disappear. It's just going to be called The Iphone and The Iphone Nano/Mini/Tiny whatever name they stick with. Come update time you're just going to find better specs on both the models in the store.
What you describe simply sounds like the natural progression of the standard iPhone as they figure out how to make smaller components. Maybe 2 more versions down the road.
I can't imagine another iphone with a smaller screen.
As much as I agree that this device is likely to have user experience 'difficulties' I'm starting to think it quite likely, and likely to come as part of a larger rework of the whole iPhone/iPod lineup.
My impression (entirely speculative, but tell me if it doesn't make sense) is that the iPod line has some problems right now, mostly centered on the current Nano being too small for a lot of people and not having any real commonality with the rest of the line. Most notably I suspect they'd really like to bring back video on the Nano but just can't do it on the new screen. So, my guess is the Nano phone comes alongside an iPod Touch Nano (won't they PLEASE just officially call them iTouch - well maybe not). The current nano could then take the place of the screenless shuffle with the same hardware at reduced price. I'd actually guess that the current Nano will still have a shuffle model below it though (and will be given an entirely new title with the re branding, since they will want to pair the new phone with the more established Nano title).
The new SCREENLESS shuffle on the other hand is, IMO the least likely part of what occurred to me, but I can't imagine that they haven't looked at the earpiece based design everyone and their brother imagined when the saw the cigarette lighter. That said, Apple being Apple, my actual guess is only that there will continue to be a screenless, sub $100 model (I'm thinking that the current Nano probably just isn't ready to go that low yet with what is a small but high quality screen).
The above note about the Shuffle leads me to my last point which is really just a response to the line of thought that a smaller/cheaper iPhone doesn't fit with Apple's high revenue/low volume strategy of not competing for the bottom of the market. While they do generally follow this, it just hasn't been true for some time in the iPod segment, with the Shuffle forming a large part of their maintenance of market domination. Given that they really do seem to look at the phones as a spinoff of the iPods rather than the computers or entirely separate I am not entirely sure that the conventional strategy applies (especially when combined with how close to dominant they are in phone with a SINGLE model, and that the iPad does to some extent represent a roundabout entry into the netbook price range). On a related note, also supporting the new phone, I suspect that the company would also be happier with a Nano type device than the current strategy of having an older and almost completely unpromoted version of the phones remain available they are using now.
My impression (entirely speculative, but tell me if it doesn't make sense) is that the iPod line has some problems right now, mostly centered on the current Nano being too small for a lot of people and not having any real commonality with the rest of the line. Most notably I suspect they'd really like to bring back video on the Nano but just can't do it on the new screen. So, my guess is the Nano phone comes alongside an iPod Touch Nano (won't they PLEASE just officially call them iTouch - well maybe not). The current nano could then take the place of the screenless shuffle with the same hardware at reduced price. I'd actually guess that the current Nano will still have a shuffle model below it though (and will be given an entirely new title with the re branding, since they will want to pair the new phone with the more established Nano title).
The new SCREENLESS shuffle on the other hand is, IMO the least likely part of what occurred to me, but I can't imagine that they haven't looked at the earpiece based design everyone and their brother imagined when the saw the cigarette lighter. That said, Apple being Apple, my actual guess is only that there will continue to be a screenless, sub $100 model (I'm thinking that the current Nano probably just isn't ready to go that low yet with what is a small but high quality screen).
The above note about the Shuffle leads me to my last point which is really just a response to the line of thought that a smaller/cheaper iPhone doesn't fit with Apple's high revenue/low volume strategy of not competing for the bottom of the market. While they do generally follow this, it just hasn't been true for some time in the iPod segment, with the Shuffle forming a large part of their maintenance of market domination. Given that they really do seem to look at the phones as a spinoff of the iPods rather than the computers or entirely separate I am not entirely sure that the conventional strategy applies (especially when combined with how close to dominant they are in phone with a SINGLE model, and that the iPad does to some extent represent a roundabout entry into the netbook price range). On a related note, also supporting the new phone, I suspect that the company would also be happier with a Nano type device than the current strategy of having an older and almost completely unpromoted version of the phones remain available they are using now.
Perhaps this iPhone nano is the new yearly iPhone (5)....trimmed down to be smaller and lighter....I for one, dont think Apple will release any future iPhone with anything less than a retina display,,,regardless of the screen size.That would be bad for the image. If the screen resolution was less than the iPod Touch, would anyone buy it??
