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Even with the smaller process, these new phones are driving more pixels and have a lot more RAM and horsepower than before. That they’re able to achieve comparable battery life is fantastic. +/- 20-30 minutes is really not a big deal.

If we were talking about 4-5 hour battery life then we would have a real problem.

Too many don't understand this. It's much the way that cars now are not only getting more and more powerful but also better fuel economy. Too many miss this marvel of engineering.

It's a big achievement just to get better battery life and keep the same processor speed and screen size. But to be able to nearly double the speed of a phone each year and on top of that also increase the battery life or even keep it the same, that's quite amazing.

How many of us can say that we have doubled our productivity (when we're really trying) without any more energy expenditure?
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Isnt that the same case for cars? Want awd, luxury, 300-400hp you pay for it in Mpg. Want good mpg, you buy corolla. Its been like that for ages and i guess same trend catches up with the smartphones.

Actually, HP keeps going up and gas mileage too. Technology in automotive is growing much like everywhere else. So not only do cars now make more power than before but they also get better mileage while doing so.

For instance, the Camry has seen increases in horsepower but also increases in MPG too. Ferrari has seen the same.
 
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Best news Apple has gotten in over a decade.
Now they don't have to pay engineers to throttle the phones any more.
 
How many of us can say that we have doubled our productivity (when we're really trying) without any more energy expenditure?

Well the Apple Defense League bots have certainly been more productive recently.

Just post a comment that can be construed as remotely critical of anything Apple and watch what happens!
 
Please...don't say that when I'm drinking milk.

Yes, reality and the truth can be quite shocking. Anyone else doing anything for improving batteries and battery life without gimping the phone specs? I didn't think so. Carry on with your milk.
 
I've been saying it for years - someone needs to come up with some solid solar-powered charging solution and start building that into the phones.
Solar panels are obviously not practical in mobile devices, for many reasons. The biggest and most obvious reason is that solar panels must sit in the sun to be of any use. That is the exact opposite of a good idea if that device happens to be a computer (or little computer, AKA mobile device). Computers can overheat. You better believe using your phone in the sun will cause it to overheat. Not to mention it'll give you quite the sun burn.

No, it's not going to work. Normal people wouldn't even go that far, and would probably just keep their phone in their pockets/purses when not using it, negating any benefit from having the solar panel.
 
Wait, I thought OLED was supposed to save power versus LCD?
Yes, if you don't crank it up. If you don't crank it up to optimal brightness (in most cases close to max) screen is really bad and suffers from PWM flicker while whites are all colors except white.

Btw these battery test are questionable. Had they had phones recording video with the camera they would have gotten different results. Same would happen if they had the phones on call until they drain. The only thing I find here true is Pixel 2 horrible battery management and perhaps Pixel 3 has it even worse.
 
Yes, reality and the truth can be quite shocking. Anyone else doing anything for improving batteries and battery life without gimping the phone specs? I didn't think so. Carry on with your milk.

Has Samsung delivered *anything* with that battery technology. Or is it still a rumor? Do you have any insight into Apple's ongoing battery research and development - what they're working on, for example?

And what phone specs are being gimped?
 
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And yet we keep hearing about new (vapor ware) battery technology....that never works out.
 
I can use my iPhone X 2 days without charging.

I think batteries are just fine and charging every night is the opposite of a big deal.
 
Not a problem. I'm sure Apple will just sneak some software on to iOS to "improve" the battery life like they did before....
 
Its not about thickness, it is weight that is the issue with a bigger battery. Too heavy to hold. The X is already too heavy.
People are going to say that no one cares about weight but that isn’t true. My mother went into the Apple Store to buy a XR. She ended up buying the XS because it was 0.5g lighter and a bit smaller. That’s a major price premium for weight and size. That was what mattered most to her.
 
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i don't see any error bars on that graph - did they test one of each phone and proclaim that as being representative of the entire batch?

For 95% confidence (and 80% power) in a 21 minute difference, they'd need to test ~200,000 phones.
 
Or just put a bigger, I mean BIGGER battery!
Since they don't give a damn about those of us who like smaller phones anyway!:mad:

Who the hell wants a big heavy thick phone, thin and light phones are a major selling point always has been. Battery technology needs to evolve somehow. A battery is still just simple chemistry, where as the stuff it powers is nothing short of magic.
 
I keep my brightness at like 30%..iPhone can go all day long.

And I’m always on this thing.
Me too! I keep my display as dim as possible. My battery easily lasts 1 1/2 days.
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Not a problem. I'm sure Apple will just sneak some software on to iOS to "improve" the battery life like they did before....
Yawwwnnnn.....
 
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CNET is reporting that 12.1 throttles iPhone 8 and X. Guess 12 is my new bestie.
 
This is incredibly dumb:

Battery company Onavo's CEO believes that consumers should "start getting ready for compromise," settling for smartphones with increasingly bigger batteries that result in larger, heavier devices or lesser technologies like the LCD display in the iPhone XR.


First, the LCD screen in the XR is better than any LCD screen shipped by Apple in prior iPhones.
I don't think the XR LCD actually brings any improvements in display quality. The 1400:1 contrast ratio, 326 ppi, P3 color gamut, 625 cd/m2 max brightness, and True Tone support are all the same as the iPhone 8. What's new in the XR LCD is tucking the backlight under the display and the rounded corners which enable a better device form factor, but doesn't improve the visual quality of the display itself. In exchange, Apple no longer uses dual-domain pixels in the XR which is likely why people have noticed more off-axis color shift and narrower viewing angles on the XR compared to the iPhone 8. 3D Touch support was also removed, but that doesn't impact visual quality. So the XR LCD seems to offer worse display quality than previous iPhones even if the XR as a whole is a better phone for the compromises made to the display.
 
Samsung is the only one doing the innovating. No other OEM knows enough or cares enough.

https://www.techspot.com/news/77076-samsung-graphene-batteries-which-can-charge-phone-12.html
I definitely want a phone powered by a brand new never before mass produced battery technology built by the same company that, by its own admission, built a battery with a major design flaw that caused it to frequently catch fire because they cut corners to rush it to market. That sounds like an awesome idea.
 
If companies weren't obsessed with making everything as thin as possible, this wouldn't be an issue.
If consumers weren't so obsessed with thinner phones, companies wouldn't make them that way.

I am always blown away by how many people act like we all live in command economies and have to consume what industry provides. The reason companies make phones the size they are is because for every person making snide comments in some forum, there's 100,000 people clamoring for the sleeker device.
 
This is not entirely accurate with real life use though. My iPhone 8 does not last longer than iPhone X in real world use!
 
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