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Um, and I know they have something on for me.com because they actually check the OS serial number before you can register, as in when your serial number has been used before, then it is over and out for you. So why wouldn't Apple use it for other purposes?

Oh and iTunes also check the serial number because when you change it – which is easy – then you can no longer play your music.

n.b. I've experienced this myself after changing my serial number to a 'non–of–their–business–one'.

What "OS serial number" are you talking about? I have been using Macs for 20 years, even admin-ing academic labs of them, and the only "OS serial number" I have ever come across from Apple is for OS X Server, not the client. Ever.

If you are talking about the computer's serial number or logic board ID [you referenced iTunes], then that is a different thing.
 
It is illegal within the whole EU, that's why Microsoft now sells Windows with several optional web browsers (because the other alternative would have been selling Windows without any web browser at all).

Apple however is not forcing customers into the bundle, because all Tiger users can freely upgrade to Leopard should they choose to do so, and then upgrade their copy of Leopard to SL for $29. It's just that it costs $129+$29=$158 (retail) which is only $11 cheaper than the bundle box so I think not many Tiger users want to go that way now. Those who wanted Leopard have already upgraded.
I personally have no issues with this, and it is a great deal for Tiger users who want iLife and iWork, but otherwise it is still $40 more expensive ($169 compared to $129).

Now why do (some) people have issues with this? Because they, presumably former Microsoft users, don't get "real" upgrade packages – which they are accustomed to – and now simply assume that the "retail" packages are full blown versions. Which technically they are as we all know.

We 'addicts' should know better, but even I have issues with Apples packaging because it is too confusing, and thus I asked them to shed a light on the matter. The first e-mail is out, and the first reply is in. Waiting for further replies.
 
Are you running 32bit Kernel or 64bit Kernel? If you do not understand this question, then you shouldn't be running Snow Leopard.

Clearly the vast majority of people who will be running Snow Leopard will have no idea what 32-bit and 64-bit are, and wouldn't care anyway. And since these are just regular people buying a Mac, it will be 32-bit anyway, since consumers don't buy xserves.

Or, are you suggesting Apple asks their customers if they know the difference between 32-bit and 64-bit when they show up at the Apple store and if they don't know the answer, they should refuse to sell them a mac???
 
What "OS serial number" are you talking about? I have been using Macs for 20 years, even admin-ing academic labs of them, and the only "OS serial number" I have ever come across from Apple is for OS X Server, not the client. Ever.

If you are talking about the computer's serial number or logic board ID [you referenced iTunes], then that is a different thing.
Spot on! My mistake. Sorry.
 
Clearly the vast majority of people who will be running Snow Leopard will have no idea what 32-bit and 64-bit are, and wouldn't care anyway. And since these are just regular people buying a Mac, it will be 32-bit anyway, since consumers don't buy xserves.

Or, are you suggesting Apple asks their customers if they know the difference between 32-bit and 64-bit when they show up at the Apple store and if they don't know the answer, they should refuse to sell them a mac???
One might expect that outcome at the Microsoft Store:

windows-7-upgrade-chart.jpg
 
do not patronise me funboy, I am running 64 mkay:rolleyes:

I was asking because that might be the cause of your constant beachballs. Are you 100% sure that ALL of your kext files are 64bit? If not, you could run into a lot of problems.

I think it's safer to run a 32bit Kernel at this time. Try it out and let me know if it's better please.
 
I wiped my HD completely and installed Snow Leopard.

So no, you don't have to install Leopard first.

This is what I intend to do, but I'm still not clear on whether you can do that from an option from the install disk, or if I will have to manually wipe the HD which I wont be looking forward to.
 
It seems it's one to two people who actually feel disappointed in no Blu-Ray Support in yet ANOTHER OS update.

What gives? I mean I know the majority is DVD, but then a lot of people also own BDs now... to have the chance to record onto BDs instead of DVDs would be fantastic not to mention the overly sensitive DVD drives or as they call them SUPERDRIVES in all Macs today. I can't even make a DVD-DL work on any of my macs... they have to be so perfectly synced and so in harmony before it happens that it's insane.

Blu-Ray movies would be great to watch on your computer. Better yet, to export your VIDEO from FCP onto a BD disc that can be played on any BD player.

Also the packaging is a bit lame.

Finally the news I got was that somewhere in the installer, there is a check up app. It runs during the installer or it IS part of the installer (didn't quite get the details on that), but what it essentially does is check your hardware and serial number. Then in an already built in SN database on the installer DVD, it matches all the eligible serial numbers that correspond with machines born with Leopard. For those who have that, they can do a clean install etc.

For those who DO NOT, they need to have Leopard installed first, then run it in Leopard after which it restarts the machine and completes the installation process once the former OS is approved.

Simple I guess.. but then, whatever it takes I suppose...
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I was asking because that might be the cause of your constant beachballs. Are you 100% sure that ALL of your kext files are 64bit? If not, you could run into a lot of problems.

I think it's safer to run a 32bit Kernel at this time. Try it out and let me know if it's better please.

tried it in both and you still get beach balls with both.

This really annoys me because its not like the cpu is going mental.
 
tried it in both and you still get beach balls with both.

This really annoys me because its not like the cpu is going mental.

Did you do a clean install? what build? 10A432? There are still issues with 10A432.

If you have problems you need to give more details than just complaining about spinning beach balls; make, model, the mode of installation - clean install or upgrade? many questions and no answers from you regarding them. Have you installed the latest firmware updates provided?
 
Did you do a clean install? what build? 10A432? There are still issues with 10A432.

If you have problems you need to give more details than just complaining about spinning beach balls; make, model, the mode of installation - clean install or upgrade? many questions and no answers from you regarding them. Have you installed the latest firmware updates provided?

On my end, the Snow Leopard worked very well on a MacMini CoreDuo (2006 I think). In fact I was very surprised at the speed improvements and overall storage release.

However on my MacBook Pro (Santa Rosa), it doesn't offer the multi touch trackpad feature that they said it would support. I have dual finger action... uhhh, wait... that came out wrong... I have dual finger gesture? I don't know what you call it... Anyway you get the point... :(

Other than that, maybe the 64bit launch doesn't work on my MacBook Pro, but when I look at the activity monitor which gives details on the apps running it states that ALL were 64bit. I'm assuming that's the correct set up and that's why it's not booting into the 64bit kernel, cause it's already there.

I'm a bit puzzled over QuickTime X... it reminds me of Windows Media... I mean it's gotten so light in weight and lost so much in functionality that it seems that all it does now is stream and that's it.

I think I'll hang on to my trusted VLC player. And pray to the Digital Gods that Blu-Ray somehow gets into the release come August the 28th.
:)
 
Snow Leopard Specs now available on-line

I got another reply from Apple, including a link to the Snow Leopard Specs which reads:

"Upgrading from Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger.

If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger, purchase the Mac Box Set (when available), which is a single, affordable package that includes Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard; iLife ’09, with the latest versions of iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, iWeb, and iDVD; and iWork ’09, Apple’s productivity suite for home and office including Pages, Numbers, and Keynote."

I hope this help.
 
I want a Mac Box Set for Leopard upgraders. They should sell a cheaper box set so I can upgrade to iLife09. This is one way to market iWork to all macusers so they know how nice it is and be comfortable with the application.

I came to this forum specifically to ask if there was any information about a Snow Leopard Mac Box Set for Leopard users. It doesn't seem fair that Leopard adopters have to pay $129 (for Leopard) + $29 (for Snow Leopard) which is a total of $158 and do NOT receive iLife or iWork, whilst Tiger users pay only $11 more to get Snow Leopard AND iLife AND iWork. For that reason, I believe that the Mac Box Set will be available for Leopard users at a lower price (my guess is about $69; considering the $100 discount on the OS price, a $100 discount on the Mac Box Set would make sense). Also, we must remember that the price of the Mac Box Set for Tiger users may not be $169.

Note: all prices are in United States "dollars".
 
Pre-Order!

Looks like the Apple Store has Snow Leopard to Pre-order with delivery on 8/28. FYI
 
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