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actually they almost certainly have a drop in. and on a fresh machine it's really not a huge deal. plus for a lot of those new buyers they will probably get the set up and training thing and during that the geniuses will do the update for them. so no big deal
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Snow Leopard Box Set Briefly Appears in Apple Online Store
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after SL is installed, put in your 10.5 disc and install from there-just like you would normally
I find it odd that APPLE STORE is not taking preorders-AMAZON is getting all the glory
I want to get it done
And why hasn't a big company like Apple with billions in cash managed to rewrite all their code to x64?
I don't understand that. Are there big problems in the OSX driver and kernel APIs that make it painful - the "check a box" to compile the x64 driver shouldn't be that hard.
Apple's closed hardware system should have made it an easy task to take care of the small number of variations in hardware among the x64 Intel systems. This includes updating EFI firmware for those models that need something new to support a true x64 kernel. That's why it's "firmware" - so that it can be updated when needed.
The x64 support is 10.6 looks like it is going to be a sore point with quite a few people....
i think apple has released an update or two of the previous system while the new one is out; 10.5.9 might not come until December-if there is even such a beast
This I don't get. If you aren't going to respect the license anyway, why pay anything? Maybe they feel a bit less guilty than just getting it from bittorrent?
Amazon runs their own store front - they will sell snow leopard discs when they get them just like any product. They don't have to be concerned with release date announcements or anything of the sort - they will just ship it out once they get the product in and the street date has passed. Amazon will take pre-orders all it wants, they don't care when it ships, only that they do ship it - note that they don't post any specifics that are any useful right now. Amazon always does this - even for products not formally announced. Amazon isn't getting any real glory - Apple makes money no matter who makes the sale.
Apple on the other hand has to be the one to announce a formal date to handle pre-orders since they are the primary distributor and publisher. Stuff like this happens all the time.
That's the thing. I'm nit sure Apple gives a rats either. There never has been any sort of serial number to input on their os like windows. It's just a disc with the os, no serial neccessary. It's cheaper than windows by about $200 and now they're practically giving this update away to get people off G5.
The family pack always seemed like a bizarre honor system thing. Thanks for paying extra. You can now install on more machines just like if you paid less or stole it! Thanks!
yeah... maybe the small fee was to avoid annoyance and to save time. i'd pay 29$ instead of having to crack activations, use fake cd keys and such.
How many (and how important) third party kernel extensions are there?
I'm not familiar with OSX enough to understand what kinds of things need to write kernel code.
In Windows, it's pretty much limited to device support (including pseudo-devices) and serious OS extensions (like anti-virus programs).
Few USB devices need kernel drivers - the USB frameworks handle mass storage, human interface, and most common USB devices in the bundled kernel and drivers.
Most applications (even important ones like Photoshop) are pure userland.
If there's mass breakage of common apps from the x64 kernel, then it makes sense. If it's a few PCIe cards on the Mac Pro, then it doesn't.
[This ignores the question of why those third parties didn't use the developer seeds to be ready in September....]
Apple has to protect a revenue stream in some fashion so that they can prosecute piracy. That's why there is a general limit on one install per disc. Remember, with just this exception, Apple charged $129 for their OS's, thats no small amount of money. Apple was at least reasonable to have a discounted family pack, but they wanted to make sure that people "legally" couln't just give it away. It's just to avoid grevous DRM - they can disclose the license and simply enforce things with the licensing. Apple's logic is, that cracking the serial number would be a license violation anyway so it's better to be nicer about it than not.
Perhaps this will be fixed for MacBook owners, once SL is actually released. Speaking of big companies with billions in cash and over 93,000 employees, we won't mention one which failed to successfully release an OS during a 6 year time period, due to its detriment of "spaghetti code", until it was scrapped entirely, patched and hashed together, purged of major core features such as WinFS, missing a plethora of XP drivers, and shoveled out the door in a highly dysfunctional fashion.
Then one ought to keep one's trap shut.
This may shed light onto why a restraint is in order for the time being, to avoid possible conflicts with the majority of MacBook owners. (non Pro)
We really have no idea what you're trying to say here.
They are more than one might think. Virtualization products like VMware, VPN clients like Cisco's, system optimization tools, hardware monitors (temperature etc.), Finder, Expose, and Spaces tweaks. I always wonder who would use the latter, but there some to be considerable shares. Just letting them do an upgrade and setting their default kernels to 64 bit could create a huge mess that would not be worth the tiny improvements in the light of public perception. Rolling out 32 bit first is a sane decision.
I entered my serial number lied about the date and it let me add it to my basket. Got all the way to the checkout before I stopped. I'm going to get the family pack anyway as I have 3 macs to update.
Thank you for a helpful reply to some honest questions.
I can understand VMware and VPN (I was thinking of those two when I said "pseudo-devices"), but I'm surprised that a Finder tweak would need a kext. That suggests that the "most advanced operating system in the world" hasn't properly abstracted some system interfaces.
Correct.
You should be able to re-sell your original, individual retail copies of iWorks and iLife and then use the licenses for each in the "box set" with the license for Snow Leopard. That way, if they are tied together on one system, you are meeting that requirement.
In most if not all jurisdictions, selling copies and keeping the original is pirating...
Neither msnuser111 or myself are saying that, however.
The original comment was someone who was still on Tiger, but had also bought the retail versions of iWorks 09 and iLife 09 didn't need the "box set" because they would now have two copies each of iWorks 09 and iLife 09.
My suggestion was to sell those retail copies - including the media, of course - and then use the copies of iLife and iWorks that are in the "box set". Therefore, you have legal licenses and full media for both applications and the person you sold your original retail copies to have legal licenses and full media for both applications.
Fair enough, that's absolutely possible (the good ol' first sale doctrine in Anglo-Saxon jurisdictions, or exhaustion in Civil Law countries); thanks for clarifying the statement.
You guys are going to love snow leopard, it has lots of spinning beachballs
Are you running 32bit Kernel or 64bit Kernel? If you do not understand this question, then you shouldn't be running Snow Leopard.