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Snow Leopard Box Set Briefly Appears in Apple Online Store
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Me too!Oh, I'm so looking forward to the increased snappiness!
side note:I know my computer won't be able to use open cl,but what improvements will a 2.0ghz macbook core duo (2006) get?
He meant keep the boxed set and sell the copies you already had,not sell the copies from the boxed set.
..a Tiger user on a Macbook Pro, with iLife '08 & iWork '08.
I'm in for a treat.. I can't wait!!
I'm in for a treat.. I can't wait!!
SL impressions
I've been using SL for a week. My impressions are:
-The system is very stable and I cannot see speed improvements. Using geekbench I got 10% improvement (from 3630 to 3710). btw my Macbook (early 2008) is the fastest one. Click here to see it
- Quicktime X seems to play better (more smooth) HD videos than version 7. What I hate is not knowing in which part the video is when I am playing a short clip. In version X you can only TRIM video, but version 7 (pro) you can copy/paste, trim, delete parts of the video. And I prefer the old icon. The new one don't suit the dock. Too 3D'ish.
- Exposé organize windows better but instead of highlighting a window (making it brighter), it shows some (ugly) blue "aura" around it. It moves smooth, but I noticed to be a little slower than Leopard.
- Plugins: My favorite plugins (Safari Adblock/Growl and some others) don't work properly. It's going to be fixed in future so I'm not that sad. Transmission (not a plugin) takes way longer to quit.
- 64bit. Even though my system is 64bit compatible (2.4 Core2duo), when I go in System Profiler 64bit is NOT ENABLED. I tried booting holding 6+4 keys and no love.
- Bugs. The only one I noticed is in Safari 4.0.3 (same problem occurs in 10.5.8). When you click in Top Sites and click in one window, the same window maximize "stretching" vertically some artifacts. In Leopard stretches in the horizontal line.
It is worth the upgrade? Nah. It's for a reason Apple charges only 29 U$$...
I've been using SL for a week. My impressions are:
-The system is very stable and I cannot see speed improvements. Using geekbench I got 10% improvement (from 3630 to 3710). btw my Macbook (early 2008) is the fastest one
. Click here to see it- Quicktime X seems to play better (more smooth) HD videos than version 7. What I hate is not knowing in which part the video is when I am playing a short clip. In version X you can only TRIM video, but version 7 (pro) you can copy/paste, trim, delete parts of the video. And I prefer the old icon. The new one don't suit the dock. Too 3D'ish.
- Exposé organize windows better but instead of highlighting a window (making it brighter), it shows some (ugly) blue "aura" around it. It moves smooth, but I noticed to be a little slower than Leopard.
- Plugins: My favorite plugins (Safari Adblock/Growl and some others) don't work properly. It's going to be fixed in future so I'm not that sad. Transmission (not a plugin) takes way longer to quit.
- 64bit. Even though my system is 64bit compatible (2.4 Core2duo), when I go in System Profiler 64bit is NOT ENABLED. I tried booting holding 6+4 keys and no love.
- Bugs. The only one I noticed is in Safari 4.0.3 (same problem occurs in 10.5.8). When you click in Top Sites and click in one window, the same window maximize "stretching" vertically some artifacts. In Leopard stretches in the horizontal line.
It is worth the upgrade? Nah. It's for a reason Apple charges only 29 U$$...
I am just wondering which one should I get. I am currently using Leopard, so I am qualify to get the $29 one. But what if I want to re-install Snow Leopard? Do I need to install Leopard first, and then upgrade to Snow Leopard? I don't like this idea since for some peculiar reason, I tend to re-install the system every 3-4 months.
So maybe I should go for the $169 one, maybe it will let me install Snow Leopard straight away. That would be nice, except I already have iLife 09 and iWork 09.
I don't like this idea since for some peculiar reason, I tend to re-install the system every 3-4 months.So maybe I should go for the $169 one, maybe it will let me install Snow Leopard straight away. That would be nice, except I already have iLife 09 and iWork 09.
I read about someone who installed Snow Leopard without doing a clean install, and they ended up getting back tons of hard drive space after the installation (as described by Apple). I assume that minimum requirements are checked before installation can begin (i.e. to make sure you have an Intel processor), and having Leopard already might be a part of that. I would assume that someone that still has Tiger and never upgraded to 10.5 might have a PowerPC processor machine and they cannot upgrade to Snow Leopard even if they wanted to...
there was almost two whole years of intel machines shipping with tiger. so this is not a true statement
Um, and I know they have something on for me.com because they actually check the OS serial number before you can register, as in when your serial number has been used before, then it is over and out for you. So why wouldn't Apple use it for other purposes?
Oh and iTunes also check the serial number because when you change it – which is easy – then you can no longer play your music.
n.b. I've experienced this myself after changing my serial number to a 'non–of–their–business–one'.
I've found there is a speed increase; Finder and the UI is snappier, networking is faster, downloads are finally flooding my network capacity, copying files off my USB external hard disk is faster - over all, its faster
just watched the keynote. pricing comes up at 45 minutes.
what does Bertrand say:
works for all Intel models
Leopard was $129
Snow Leopard for Leopard users will be $29, family pack for up to 5 for $49
nothing said about a no boxed $129 Snow Leopard. In fact nothing said about the box set. that was brought up in the press release.
They'll probably send all the stores new packaging, and have some fat bloke sat in the back installing the OS on all the old machines and putting them in the new boxes.
yeah. sure. but it's not a fat bloke. we 'upgraders' are really hot chicks.
actually they almost certainly have a drop in. and on a fresh machine it's really not a huge deal. plus for a lot of those new buyers they will probably get the set up and training thing and during that the geniuses will do the update for them. so no big deal
which I believe they did with 10.5.8. at least the last they anticipate. if something really huge happens they might do another one. or just a security update
they might continue for a limited time but it will be very limited.
remember that all the PPC machines are 3 years old and out of warranty. so Apple will be wanting to get those folks in new (and vastly better) machines. one step in that game is going to be the new OS
What? Didn't Apple clearly state that Tiger users can upgrade buying the box set? What did I miss? If they said otherwise, I stand corrected, but what I've heard there's only $29 upgrade for Leopard users and $169 box set for Tiger users, no middle ground.
I checked and you are right!
I however blogged about this during the WWDC event, and even named Bertrand Serlet. Reading my notes; it wasn't during the keynotes so now I'll have to figure out where I got the info from. Fun (law; forcing people into buying bundled software is illegal in some EU countries).
Like I said in my previous post; I'll have to find our where I got the info from the package without iWork/iLife is there so it's just a price thing.
Try holding down the 6″ and 4″ keys at boot, to boot into 64-bit. You will need a 64-bit EFI to do this. To find out whether you do, or not,
enter the following command in Terminal:
ioreg -l -p IODeviceTree | grep firmware-abi
It will return either EFI32″ or EFI64.
If you would rather boot into 64-bit by default, edit this file:
/Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.Boot.plist
Change this:
<key>Kernel Flags</key>
<string></string>
To this:
<key>Kernel Flags</key>
<string>arch=x86_64</string>
Hope this helps.
I know there are not tons of "gee wiz" features, but after the rough and buggy early life of Leopard, I for one am very excited for Snow Leopard.
It will be nice to get a stable and polished OS from Apple again. I still have flashbacks to early design and bugs in Leopard. (Spaces, I'm looking at you.)
I would be really excited if Apple released SL next week, but I suspect it will be some time in September. My theory is they would have announced it by now if the release was next week.
Next week would be awesome though.
It will be nice to get a stable and polished OS from Apple again. I still have flashbacks to early design and bugs in Leopard. (Spaces, I'm looking at you.)
I would be really excited if Apple released SL next week, but I suspect it will be some time in September. My theory is they would have announced it by now if the release was next week.
Next week would be awesome though.
It is illegal within the whole EU, that's why Microsoft now sells Windows with several optional web browsers (because the other alternative would have been selling Windows without any web browser at all).
Apple however is not forcing customers into the bundle, because all Tiger users can freely upgrade to Leopard should they choose to do so, and then upgrade their copy of Leopard to SL for $29. It's just that it costs $129+$29=$158 (retail) which is only $11 cheaper than the bundle box so I think not many Tiger users want to go that way now. Those who wanted Leopard have already upgraded.
I can tell for sure it won't work. I have a late 08 MacBook with EFI64. Neither 6+4 nor changing kernel flags work. MacBooks just aren't supported for whatever reason.
Thanks Dmann but still no 64bit.
I have efi-64, I edited the plist and restarted. Tried another boot holding 6+4 keys and nothing.
My friend did it when 10.5 came out, him and 4 other dudes on his floor in his dorm chipped in for the family pack.
In the case of my MacBook, I've got a Santa Rosa chipset plus EFI64, but there is no X3100 64bit driver so I can't boot in. That'll be the same situation for you - you might have a 64bit chipset, 64bit cpu and EFI64 but your hardware isn't supported via the necessary 64bit drivers.
I can't imagine what the problem might be. I have the 9400m chipset. It's essentially the exact same thing they use in 15" and 17" MBPs (which support 64bit kernel), so that can't be the show stopper.
Boot Camp said my MacBook model doesn't support 64-bit Windows either. I had to use a hacked version of Boot Camp that disables Apple's limitation. All the drivers were actually there, BC just didn't let me install them automatically.
I think a similar ridiculous limitation exists for SL as well.
I assume if you have a 64bit version of Windows 7 handy - it could run but without boot camp support. Oh well, I'm sure there is some method to the madness.
You can, then, use the netkas' pcefiv10.1 bootloader on USB stick to utilize the 64-bit kernel on MacBooks.
The artificial limitation may be due to the need to rewrite all of the extensions/drivers for Macbooks in 64bit, which may have a mix of 32 & 64-bit.