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Snow Leopard Build 10A286 Seeded to Developers
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snow leopard is useless without the Core i7 processors?
amazingly brilliant post...factually incorrect and quite "useless" as well.
i welcome the arrival of the snow leopard...
Understand the logistics, please.
Why has the Mac Pro been released in advance of Snow Leopard?
1. Because the hard core developers, if they had to choose, would need a high-end development machine to get everything ready on.
2. The mobile Nehalem processors have not been released yet and Apple intends for Snow Leopard to take advantage of Nehalem's features (including HT/SMT/Jackson Technology ... whatever you care to call it). In case you haven't noticed, neither the mini nor the iMac could hold a Xeon Nehalem with its heat sink and the disk drive would melt if it did. What's left? Nehalem in a MacBook? Maybe the Air? Look at the heat sink alone and you'll see that there's nothing under 3 inches that will have this chip.
Is the nVidia GT120 the highest end graphics card they intend to ship?
Don't be silly. It just happens to be the only one with mini-DisplayPort that's ready to ship. The ATI is almost ready, with more announcements to happen as Snow Leopard gets closer to release.
What will happen when mobile Nehalem is released?
It will be put in iMac, Mini and the MacBook/MacBook Pro, fully enabling Snow Leopard with quad-cores (octo virtual cores) for everyone. If Intel is on schedule, Apple may get early chips to ship at the same time as the Snow Leopard release.
What about i7?
What about it? It still doesn't fit in a laptop, a Mini or an iMac.
These things happen over time, and with the bad economy, Intel will definitely delay its schedule even if things DO go well. Apple will stage its announcements such that they excite developers at WWDC and try to take advantage of the holiday season to sell the new iPhone and mobile Nehalem-based laptops and iMac/Mini if they can get chips. Otherwise, they'll start releasing Core 2 Quad mobiles. They'd rather skip directly to Nehalem.
What's the big deal about Snow Leopard?
Not just 64-bit kernel, but also OpenCL, SMT optimization (which is where you'll REALLY see Snow Leopard fly) and 64-bit Cocoa API's all the way through. OS X is the ideal OS for taking advantage of SMT because OS X applications use high-level API. Apple has complete control over most everything an application can do. For example, they will finish adding spell checking to EVERY Cocoa application because developers don't need to change a line of code to make it work.
I know...I know...It's a rumor site for people who think they should be able to get an octo-Nehalem in their iPhone or Dell is going to take over the world. I just hope there's someone out there who will engage their brain and think...
So, I don't know what Quicktime X actually looks like, but reading over the descriptions in this thread, I did a quick Photoshop of what I think it might look like. I just hope Apple's lawyers don't come after me
I have decided not to post an actual screenshot, but that is EXTREMELY close to what it actually looks like.
What happened 3 weeks ago?
This :
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/656371/
"[Removed at the request of Apple]"
Actually more close to a week and a half ago.
Apple is watching.
SL Improvements and Marble
Finally some sense
SL will drop PPC, this is already known.
About the Intel generation, all will benefit (more or less) from SL. Maybe not so much the original macbooks and mac minis, with core duo (not core2) which are not 64bit. More or less depending on the configuration.
The application footprint is reduced, applications are optimized and 64bit (think new Finder) so there will be improvements across.
For selected machines, the new technologies will kick in. I expect machines with dedicated video cards to have some extra boost from OpenCL. Again, C2D macbooks with integrated intel will have the smaller margin. However, because of OpenCL and SL Apple added to the new unibody macbooks an NVIDIA GPU. Adding the 9400 in the macbook meant less macbook pro sales, however it had to be done.
And the macbook pro.... I expect that the 2 GPUs will finally work anyway the user wants to - one, the other or both at the same time, seamlessly. To put it short, the unibody family will have the biggest gain, especially the macbook pro. Oh, and mac pro's with sli's ... i don't want to think about it. Btw, the NVIDIA driver is not done yet, u can see from the notes so they are still working on this.
And about marble: there is no marble The UI change in Leopard ... you can see the aluminum in the interface. Now just look at the unibody line, some black here and there -- expect that in SL. The new QT already shows it... I really do thing the machine and the software will look alike.
Cheers.
Finally some sense
SL will drop PPC, this is already known.
About the Intel generation, all will benefit (more or less) from SL. Maybe not so much the original macbooks and mac minis, with core duo (not core2) which are not 64bit. More or less depending on the configuration.
The application footprint is reduced, applications are optimized and 64bit (think new Finder) so there will be improvements across.
For selected machines, the new technologies will kick in. I expect machines with dedicated video cards to have some extra boost from OpenCL. Again, C2D macbooks with integrated intel will have the smaller margin. However, because of OpenCL and SL Apple added to the new unibody macbooks an NVIDIA GPU. Adding the 9400 in the macbook meant less macbook pro sales, however it had to be done.
And the macbook pro.... I expect that the 2 GPUs will finally work anyway the user wants to - one, the other or both at the same time, seamlessly. To put it short, the unibody family will have the biggest gain, especially the macbook pro. Oh, and mac pro's with sli's ... i don't want to think about it. Btw, the NVIDIA driver is not done yet, u can see from the notes
so they are still working on this.And about marble: there is no marble
The UI change in Leopard ... you can see the aluminum in the interface. Now just look at the unibody line, some black here and there -- expect that in SL. The new QT already shows it... I really do thing the machine and the software will look alike.Cheers.
Muppets
Can the Muppets who are posting that snow leopard's minimum requirement will be i7 in 12 or when ever
OR
say that Snow Leopard is pointless with out a Nehalem processor.
just stop posting cuz you have no idea.
and its just dum,
Snow Leopard is being made to take full advantage of INTEL generation of apple computers.
Power PC chips will be not supported.
you will NOT need a Nehalem (i7 / Xeon) processor to get full advantage out of snow leopard. ALL Intel mac's will benefit.
Can the Muppets who are posting that snow leopard's minimum requirement will be i7 in 12 or when ever
OR
say that Snow Leopard is pointless with out a Nehalem processor.
just stop posting cuz you have no idea.
and its just dum,
Snow Leopard is being made to take full advantage of INTEL generation of apple computers.
Power PC chips will be not supported.
you will NOT need a Nehalem (i7 / Xeon) processor to get full advantage out of snow leopard. ALL Intel mac's will benefit.
Finally some sense
SL will drop PPC, this is already known.
About the Intel generation, all will benefit (more or less) from SL. Maybe not so much the original macbooks and mac minis, with core duo (not core2) which are not 64bit. More or less depending on the configuration.
The application footprint is reduced, applications are optimized and 64bit (think new Finder) so there will be improvements across.
For selected machines, the new technologies will kick in. I expect machines with dedicated video cards to have some extra boost from OpenCL. Again, C2D macbooks with integrated intel will have the smaller margin. However, because of OpenCL and SL Apple added to the new unibody macbooks an NVIDIA GPU. Adding the 9400 in the macbook meant less macbook pro sales, however it had to be done.
And the macbook pro.... I expect that the 2 GPUs will finally work anyway the user wants to - one, the other or both at the same time, seamlessly. To put it short, the unibody family will have the biggest gain, especially the macbook pro. Oh, and mac pro's with sli's ... i don't want to think about it. Btw, the NVIDIA driver is not done yet, u can see from the notes
And about marble: there is no marble
Cheers.
Finally, someone with a brain. It's been pretty lonely...
You got it! I don't believe Apple is going to cripple anything for non-Nehalem processors. It's not that Nehalem will be required to take full advantage of Snow Leopard. It's that Snow Leopard will be the first OS X release that can take advantage of Nehalem processors.
It should be obvious to everyone that if Apple thought these small bumps for the Mini/iMac/MacBook were so incredible, there would've been a keynote. It's not about Steve Jobs being ill (yet). They never planned to have a big to-do over this. Snow Leopard isn't ready yet and, face it, they don't sell that many Mac Pro's...not even 1% of revenues.
PPC for Mac OS died on August 7, 2006 when the G5 was discontinued. That meant "we don't need any more developers on this platform." Let me break it to you gently. Apple doesn't care whether G5 users live or die, unless they're planning to buy a new Intel-based system. It's DEAD. Jim. Know what the G5 has in common with an Apple ][ ? Snow Leopard won't be running on that either.
Carbon is being kicked to the curb. Learn Cocoa. I can't believe Adobe is so stupid as not to have figured that out.
And why is the 30" Cinema still hanging around? Because Apple still wants to sell monitors bigger than 24", but they want (a) mini DisplayPort and (b) LED backlighting. Until then, the June 2004 30" Cinema Display stays. When the new one comes, it will have iSight and speakers and be able to charge a MacBook Pro.
you know what they say....... "smart mind's think alike"
i think people forget that apple are human. and they don't just **** software out and hardware out. it takes time.
im sure the 30inch display will be updated soon too. it's just when they have the people to put in the hard work in to make it good not just some **** LED Screen that comes from a company like HP or Dell.
and back to i7 for the imac's & mac mini's....... i7 mobile is due out late 2009.
i can see a bigger update to the imac & mac mini late 2009. the update we saw on tuesday was only to make sure the sale's of the imac & mac mini's would hold till late 2009.
some might say an update to all macbook pro's, macbook's, imac's & macmini's to i7 mobile. around the same time as snow leopard.
i have the 10A286 build and its still months off compilation. i dont want to see a gold master till Q3 2009 at the earliest
I opened Mail in 1/2 bounce. It didn't even have a chance to bounce actually.
My MacBook opened Mail and Adium and Safari simultaneously with only 1/2 a bounce this morning straight after booting. Normally it's about 1-2.
Ignore him, he's talking nonsense. There will always be something better around the corner. Buy what you want, when you need it for the price you have decided is acceptable.
Must have something to do with millions of lines of code and the cost of changing large portions of their tool to work with the new framework I guess.
Whilst you are clearly correct about the whole "Processor" thing, you have also obviously never worked on a large software project that has been running for 15+ years. Whilst trying to balance quality, performance, and maintain a healthy rate of new features the overhead of porting to new frameworks/platforms can become difficult to bear in a highly competitive market. Everything I have seen from Adobe suggests they have been working on pieces of the puzzle as they developed CS4, and that CS5 will be the final push. They are not stupid, they are running a multi-million dollar business and are making tough decisions every day about where to spend their R&D dollar.
K64 and 64 bit apps are different things, and the limited range of machines (although it looks to have been expanded somewhat I think) is only for the former. The latter is much more interesting for most people and should work on any Core 2 Duo machine.
Also "Snow Leotard" is an awesome typo.
new Quicktime UI for Snow Leopard.
Hah.
But on a serious note, I do miss the brushed metal and those buttons.
only had a mac for about a year and a half, so never been in a situation to have the decision: do i upgrade straight to an OS i dont necessarily need and spend 129 quid, or be happy with leopard but know i'm not at the cutting edge of technology. decisions
only had a mac for about a year and a half, so never been in a situation to have the decision: do i upgrade straight to an OS i dont necessarily need and spend 129 quid, or be happy with leopard but know i'm not at the cutting edge of technology. decisions
Since Snow Leopard is a performance related upgrade, you should wait to find out how big of a performance boost you'll get with your specific system. Most people here will be buying it on day one, so give it a day after release and search the forums for impressions on your machine.
Isn't is fairly easy to create you own theme, or at least modify the one Apple ships? I have never dug into the internals of OS X, but isn't there a central repository where the images are stored? If there is, then a person should be able to copy the images to another folder, use Photoshop to tweak the colors and design, then copy them back to their original location and get a new theme.
It is possible that to take advantage of the new technologies in Snow Leopard, applications would need to be modified. If this is the case, the only applications that will use these are the bundled applications. This makes it difficult to assess because:
- The bundled applications are fairly basic. They're all pretty quick. There's nothing as complex as VMWare or Office included.
- Many of the bundled applications will not be finished implementing the changes. They're beta and subject to change.
Besides, GUI changes are easier to spot. The build hasn't been out for very long.
i like the idea too, but honestly:
if im watching a complete 90+ movie on my mac, i switch to fullscreen view. there have been situations where i just had the movie run in background while chatting or "observing" X (insert whatever you want
) , but in these cases i wasn't really "into" the movie.What im saying is: nice small change, but not really worth the "excitement" some are spreading
Ditto!! I've been testing Intuit's new Quicken Financial Life for the Mac. It replaces the old PPC Quicken 2007. It's taken them this long plus a few more months to switch not just over to Intel sans Rosetta but to the Cocoa frameworks.
It's not like you change a few lines of code.
As an addendum all the previous "mock-ups" of what the new QT-X looks like are not real.