Snow Leopard Reviews Begin Rolling Out

[macintoshtoffy]

Hmmmm, let's see .... (CS4 Master Edition = $2499) + (Office 2008 = $399.95) + (SL = $29.95) = $2928.90 ... vs ... $169 box set.

Who said I was doing a comparison? where did I state I was doing a comparison? at what point did I do a comparison?

Btw, both Office and Creative Suite were bought at Academic discount price.

But I ask again, at what point did I make a comparison? all I stated was that I don't install iLife - and you want off on something mad ranting tangent for no other reason than to beat your chest.

Same raised something about Paul from WinSuperSite; the guy is a person who generates content to bring in website hits and his advertising cash rolling in; if you stretched what he said over close to a decade on a flat piece of paper you would see an orchestrated patter of stirring and following the crowd rather than any insightful things being said.

 

[AidenShaw]

I know I'll upgrade to Snow Leopard at some point. The real question for me is whether to upgrade from XP to Windows 7 on my Boot Camp partition.

Stick with XP.

If you spend much time with Windows 7, you might question why you're wasting space with a partition for OSX....

 

[Hugh]

Windows 7RC

Sure, but anyone who really wants a copy of Windows 7 just now will have downloaded the public RC which is valid for a year. Microsoft will also be syncing their launch with their OEM partners' launches too. It's a big task and one Apple don't have to contend with.

Actually you can't download the RC any more. You can still get serial numbers for the RC, you just can't download it any more. That was stopped Friday last week.

Hugh

 

[pondosinatra]

Win 7 is actually pretty decent, but UAC is still a joke. Everyone highlights that you have more control over when you get the nag prompts, but no one mentions that in order to have that granularity YOU HAVE TO BE LOGGED ON AS A LOCAL ADMIN!!! As soon as you remove your account from being part of the Local Admin group it reverts back to the default (and annoying) behavior.

Beyond stupid in my opinion.

 

[mikes70mustang]

I sure hope theirs like an official "first thoughts on SL or something" gotta feeling there will be nothing but SL threads flooding in

 

[vansouza]

Back when I bought Leopard at the Apple store, I tried to be a good citizen and explain to the Apple salesdude that I might want to install it on more than one system, so was there a way to pay for the single user license now and upgrade to a multi-user license later? The question was completely incomprehensible to him. After I tried a couple times to explain again, he only muttered that if I wanted to use that disk to install more than one system "it would probably work." I gave up (and as it turned out, never did install it on a second system).

By now you've learned that is not how it works... I don't believe you can purchase those extra installs.

 

[AidenShaw]

Win 7 is actually pretty decent, but UAC is still a joke. Everyone highlights that you have more control over when you get the nag prompts, but no one mentions that in order to have that granularity YOU HAVE TO BE LOGGED ON AS A LOCAL ADMIN!!! As soon as you remove your account from being part of the Local Admin group it reverts back to the default (and annoying) behavior.

Beyond stupid in my opinion.

It will be a multi-release effort to overcome the "of course everyone is an administrator" mindset of old Windows.

UAC is an important tool in the transition.

For most users, UAC is noisy during the initial system setup - but it seldom pops up in day-to-day workflows.

And, before railing against Win7 - perhaps you should look at the control that you have over UAC. You can turn off the things that annoy you if you don't want the warnings about possibly unsafe operations.

 

[pondosinatra]

For most users, UAC is noisy during the initial system setup - but it seldom pops up in day-to-day workflows.

And, before railing against Win7 - perhaps you should look at the control that you have over UAC. You can turn off the things that annoy you if you don't want the warnings about possibly unsafe operations.

Deleting a friggin icon on my desktop should not prompt the warning. Doing the same action again 2 seconds later should not prompt a warning.

You CAN'T turn off the things that annoy you (select only warn when system makes a change) UNLESS YOU ARE A LOCAL ADMIN.

So basically Microsoft is punishing me by practicing good computing in not running as local admin by taking away the newfound granularity of the UAC.

Again, beyond ridiculous.

 

[Drag'nGT]

The numbers have me a little lost. We went to a faster OS that should free up 6-7gb of disc space, some have reported more. But why does 10.5 need only 512mb ram and 9gb disc space while 10.6 needs 1gb ram and 5gb disc space.

Why's the math off?
Also, how does it benefit us that SL needs more ram compared to Leopard?

 

[motulist]

The numbers have me a little lost. We went to a faster OS that should free up 6-7gb of disc space, some have reported more. But why does 10.5 need only 512mb ram and 9gb disc space while 10.6 needs 1gb ram and 5gb disc space.

Why's the math off?
Also, how does it benefit us that SL needs more ram compared to Leopard?

Pure guess, it sounds like maybe Leopard kept less system data in RAM and kept more of it in a swap file on the disk, whereas now SL puts more of the system data in RAM and thus requires less disk space for the swap file. But again, that's an entirely pure guess based solely on the numbers you posted.

 

[Drag'nGT]

Stick with XP.

If you spend much time with Windows 7, you might question why you're wasting space with a partition for OSX....

While it looks familiar to a Mac user it in no way can replace it. And yes, I've got the RC. Still got bugs in it. My biggest one is that the wifi goes out after 30min or if the computer goes to sleep.

 

[kanon14]

I have a question. I prefer to do a clean install but would like to keep my bootcamp partition. Is it possible?

 

[DMann]

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[tabasco70]

I installed Snow Leopard today, and I now have 20GB of extra free space.
They claimed Snow Leopard had a smaller footprint, but wow. I was very surprised.

 

[Sambo110]

I installed Snow Leopard today, and I now have 20GB of extra free space.
They claimed Snow Leopard had a smaller footprint, but wow. I was very surprised.

It's because it now measures space properly. My 2 gig USB is now 2 gigs, it used to be 1.89. Same with my HDD etc.

 

[mkjj]

Got mine this morning on the way into work from Apple Store Liverpool, just installing now.

 

[motulist]

It's because it now measures space properly.

Actually, to be pedantic, OS X SL now measures space improperly, but it does so improperly in the same manner that storage drive manufacturers measure it improperly. So now data sizes will be consistent with what is advertised on the box of your hard drive, but this will cause other (in my opinion bigger) problems. For instance, you'll wonder why your isp is bouncing an email back to you saying that it doesn't allows attachments larger than 10 MB, but the file you're trying to send only says it's 10 MB when you look at it in the Finder.

 

[BongoBanger]

That's a bit of a stupid statement, really. Windows 7 is simply a comeback to the qualities of XP, mainly in terms of responsiveness. After Vista ANYTHING would be a big improvement. Apple didn't deliver a crap OS in Leopard so they could hardly improve SL back to the heights of Tiger (the obvious analogy), could they?

Sorry but XP is awful and Vista far better. Sure it was buggy at the start - as indeed was Leopard although not to the same extent - but it's way, way better.

I genuinely don't understand people who hold onto XP unless they have commercial agreements or dependent mission critical apps.

Actually you can't download the RC any more. You can still get serial numbers for the RC, you just can't download it any more. That was stopped Friday last week.

I know, hence the past tense - if you wanted it early you already have it. Me? I'm OK waiting - I'm happy enough with Vista on the Quad Core for now and my boss is giving me one of his family pack licences for Snow Leopard.

 

[billysea]

"When you’re running Windows on your Mac, you can now open the files on the Macintosh “side” without having to restart."

Really? That's awesome!
Do I have to reinstall window though?

 

[dZp]

my boss is giving me one of his family pack licences for Snow Leopard.

I'd much rather dish out $29 for my own copy than having to move into my boss' house for a freebie.
But that's just me!

 

[darrellishere]

Well its Friday 28th and I pre ordered Snow Leopard (Now where is it?)!!!!!!!
What a polava I am never pre ordering agin!
May as well head to the apple store and buy it twice

Dose any one know if it supports blu-ray playback, or was that just a bogus rumor, or just itunes 9! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

 

[BongoBanger]

I'd much rather dish out $29 for my own copy than having to move into my boss' house for a freebie.
But that's just me!

Nah, he'll pass the disk to me at work or he can take my Macbook to his house. One of the two.

 

[Speedy2]

From the mouth of someone who either never used Vista or only used it a few months after release. Vista is far superior to XP and 7 is even better than Vista out of the gate.

Windows 7 and Snow Leopard are fantastic operating systems. At this point it's more about what your personal preferences/needs are than objective quality.

You are simply assuming that on what basis?
I've used Vista long and often enough to be able to judge. In fact, I use it almost every day and earn my money with it. The new Explorer is pain in the butt, it's sluggish, it has big trouble managing main memory, mysterious hard drive activities even when indexing/virus scanners etc are turned off etc

You think this huge relief of pretty much _everyone_ when 7 improved most of that was just a collective subjective judgment? You may be the one who needs a little bit of objectivity.

 

[glossywhite]

Enjoy this lovely film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdD2VCdnUko

 

[AidenShaw]

It's because it now measures space properly. My 2 gig USB is now 2 gigs, it used to be 1.89. Same with my HDD etc.

Actually, to be pedantic, OS X SL now measures space improperly, but it does so improperly in the same manner that storage drive manufacturers measure it improperly.

Good move, Apple! Nice to see another vendor correct the mistake of using binary arithmetic and labeling it as decimal.

The international standards bodies have been trying to stop the misuse of GB to mean GiB.

http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/11/08/i_say_petabyte_you_say/

For instance, you'll wonder why your isp is bouncing an email back to you saying that it doesn't allows attachments larger than 10 MB, but the file you're trying to send only says it's 10 MB when you look at it in the Finder.

You have that backwards. Your 10 MB file is 9.54 MiB, so if your ISP is incorrectly using binary arithmetic - you won't have a problem. In fact, you could send a 10.49 MB file and the ISP would call it "10".

"When you’re running Windows on your Mac, you can now open the files on the Macintosh “side” without having to restart."

Really? That's awesome!
Do I have to reinstall window though?

You shouldn't need to reinstall Windows, but you'll need to update the Boot Camp drivers inside Windows.

Note that some people are complaining that there's no security on the Apple files - anybody in Windows can read any unencrypted file on the Mac disks....