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Snow Leopard Reviews Begin Rolling Out
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Yeah, I'm surprised to hear Mossberg admit that the $29 disc will work for Tiger users. Apple can't be happy about that news getting out.
And he recovered 14 GB? Wow. But my question is, if we've already cleared out a lot of disk space using a tool like Multilingual, will we still see another substantial gain in disk space?
And he recovered 14 GB? Wow. But my question is, if we've already cleared out a lot of disk space using a tool like Multilingual, will we still see another substantial gain in disk space?
While that is a nice little piece to know, the third-party issue scares me a little as well.
I was feeling like I was needing to make a stop by the apple store in the next couple of days but I'm not sure now.
Like someone else said, I'll see what Ballmer has to say. Maybe his review will be a little more in depth with that issue.
"Though the system performs well in everyday use, many of our tests indicate it is slightly slower than the older version of Leopard in more intensive application processes."
Odd.
Odd.
Have been using a (naughty!) copy for a while! But will part with my hard earned tomorrow
Only main problems I have had are :
1) Azureus will not work (and other torrent clients i beleive)
2) I couldn't get Perian to work initially but its fine now in the 432 build
3) Flip4Mac didn't work - but they offered a beta which seems to work ok with SL
No other issues found as yet
Only main problems I have had are :
1) Azureus will not work (and other torrent clients i beleive)
2) I couldn't get Perian to work initially but its fine now in the 432 build
3) Flip4Mac didn't work - but they offered a beta which seems to work ok with SL
No other issues found as yet
I don't ever remember a Mac OS X release except 10.0 that has had so many obvious bugs. Pogue, Mossberg and Macworld all went out of their way to describe some of them.
Some of the bugs are just unacceptable (like the disappearing contextual service menu).
The good news is that all three submitted bug reports to Apple, and those issues should get fixed soon.
Apple doesn't care. Macworld asked them about it, and they confirmed that they didn't want to ship an upgrade disc forcing Mac users to install Leopard, then Snow Leopard. The Rep. said Tiger users should buy the Mac Box Set since they didn't pay the $129 for Leopard. And the Rep. also said the number of Intel Macs that shipped with 10.4 Tiger is small (roughly a 21 month window, Jan. 10 2006 to Oct. 26, 2007). It's part of that whole "we trust our customers" mentality.
Some of the bugs are just unacceptable (like the disappearing contextual service menu).
The good news is that all three submitted bug reports to Apple, and those issues should get fixed soon.
Apple doesn't care. Macworld asked them about it, and they confirmed that they didn't want to ship an upgrade disc forcing Mac users to install Leopard, then Snow Leopard. The Rep. said Tiger users should buy the Mac Box Set since they didn't pay the $129 for Leopard. And the Rep. also said the number of Intel Macs that shipped with 10.4 Tiger is small (roughly a 21 month window, Jan. 10 2006 to Oct. 26, 2007). It's part of that whole "we trust our customers" mentality.
Personally, I'm waiting for Steve Ballmer's review of Snow Leopard before I consider buying it.
RL
Steve Ballmer's review is in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc
I think he likes it
Seems to be getting a good reception. Strange how the reviewers all take the spoon-fed lines from Apple though -- CNet said it's faster, using the stock Apple hyperbole, but their benchmarks clearly show it's a tiny fraction slower.
I'm not sure whether to go and get a copy tomorrow. The only thing that really interests me is Exchange support. I haven't seen a review where they use it for real -- again they just regurgitate the Apple marketing words, so I'm curious as to how well it works in a real world scenario. We use Exchange 2007 already, so it will hopefully fit well (not that there's anything wrong with IMAP).
I'm not sure whether to go and get a copy tomorrow. The only thing that really interests me is Exchange support. I haven't seen a review where they use it for real -- again they just regurgitate the Apple marketing words, so I'm curious as to how well it works in a real world scenario. We use Exchange 2007 already, so it will hopefully fit well (not that there's anything wrong with IMAP).
slightly off topic, but since updates (10.6.1 , 10.6.2 , etc.) are inevitable
is there a way to make a slipstream install disk with Mac OS X ?
(heck, I'd love to be able to with 10.4, 10.5 too)
That is, a system install disk that has the updates already built in so that if you need to do a fresh install you can do it with a disk that already has the updates.
I know I can do this with MS Windows, and have done for home/work for many years. I don't know why it took me so long to think if I could do that with Mac OS X or not.
Thinking back, I really wish I would have had it with Leopard (10.5) as I would have made a disk as soon and 10.5.2 was out, as I think 10.5.2 was what Leopard should have been at release.
(I believe that's the update where they fixed the Dock, etc.)
is there a way to make a slipstream install disk with Mac OS X ?
(heck, I'd love to be able to with 10.4, 10.5 too)
That is, a system install disk that has the updates already built in so that if you need to do a fresh install you can do it with a disk that already has the updates.
I know I can do this with MS Windows, and have done for home/work for many years. I don't know why it took me so long to think if I could do that with Mac OS X or not.
Thinking back, I really wish I would have had it with Leopard (10.5) as I would have made a disk as soon and 10.5.2 was out, as I think 10.5.2 was what Leopard should have been at release.
(I believe that's the update where they fixed the Dock, etc.)
that is fantastic. that means you are getting all the features of Leopard plus the enhancements of Snow Leopard. that is huge for Tiger users. hell of an upgrade for $29.
The answer to your question is yes, but Apple hasn't given anyone other than application developers who need to make Mac OS X boot discs the tools to do it. That means people like you (and me) can't make their own "slipstream" install discs.
My MacBook Pro was purchased June 2006 (3 years + 2 months) ago. Running SL has unquestionably been a breath of fresh air. Benchmarks aside, this system simply FEELS faster. I was skeptical at first, thinking it would be minor or unnoticeable, but when I first did the install, I was honestly surprised by how much I noticed the difference in even everyday tasks. IMHO this is the best $30 you could spend with Apple right now.
SLOWER?!! That last review quote said that snow leopard made things SLOWER than leopard! I thought the whole point of this new version was to do under the hood improvements! Is it possible that he wrote this while spotlight was reindexing, or is he correct that snow leopard is slower than leopard?
I'd assume that the license that comes with the upgrade disc is only valid if you also have a full leopard license. Otherwise, buying the upgrade disc is no better than downloading a pirate copy - either way you'd have no license.
There are a couple of serious flaws in the CNET review. Firstly they use a Core 2 Duo Unibody MacBook and a Core Duo MacBook Pro as their benchmarking machines, but (unless I missed it) they don't specify that the Core Duo is a 32-bit machine. I would imagine this would have a material effect on the benchmarking results.
Also in the article the main benchmark he uses to compare Leopard and Snow Leopard is the Quicktime one, but that uses two completely different versions of Quicktime, the most recent of which has been significantly overhauled.
Also in the article the main benchmark he uses to compare Leopard and Snow Leopard is the Quicktime one, but that uses two completely different versions of Quicktime, the most recent of which has been significantly overhauled.
re-partition the main volume for safety
I plan to use Disk Utility to live re-partition the main volume. Then install SL to the new partition. Then use migration assistance to transfer a few things like user account data only.
That will allow me to boot into either version of the OS by setting the startup volume in System Preferences or just holding down the Option key during startup.
At least this way if something I do rely on is not ready for SL I won't lose my current ability. An instance would be iStat Menu, which in not SL ready just yet.
I plan to use Disk Utility to live re-partition the main volume. Then install SL to the new partition. Then use migration assistance to transfer a few things like user account data only.
That will allow me to boot into either version of the OS by setting the startup volume in System Preferences or just holding down the Option key during startup.
At least this way if something I do rely on is not ready for SL I won't lose my current ability. An instance would be iStat Menu, which in not SL ready just yet.
And as the reviews roll out, so do the shipments.
Just got my shipment notification from Apple. My Snow Leopard has been picked up by FedEx in Memphis. Florida-bound to deliver by 3:00 tomorrow afternoon.
Just got my shipment notification from Apple. My Snow Leopard has been picked up by FedEx in Memphis. Florida-bound to deliver by 3:00 tomorrow afternoon.
IMHO, You own the software so fire up your favorite torrent app and get to downloading when the time comes.
Actually, I have already done something very similar, replacing the live partition with an external drive - reason being I can't live partition due to having a Boot Camp partition already. Cloned my Leopard install to the external and test-booted from it. Everything worked as planned. I am doing this because I know some of my apps won't work in SL... and because I program, and must test under Leopard as well as Snow Leopard.
I've had two problems; my HP F2280 multi-function printer doesn't work and the printer drivers from HP don't work either; printer drivers from Apple themselves isn't accessible yet.
The second problem was with EyeTV; the CD I have that came with the device is 3.0.1 and fails to load thus I can't upgrade; the way to get around it is to launch the executable directly from the MacOS directory inside the .app, and then update it from then on.
Well, it was broader than that - it confirmed that you don't need an existing OS installed; so you can do a clean install on a blank hard disk.
Should appear hopefully by the end of September, fingers crossed.
I dont' think Apple cares; they have the boxed setup because they assumed that those who migrate to Snow Leopard from tiger will want iLife and iWork and will need to upgrade those as well; in otherwords, provide a compelling solution that most people would be happy with.
Azureus is a crap torrent client; bloated, slow and a horrible interface. Transmission works like a gem on Snow Leopard. No problems what so ever.
As for Perian and flip4mac; just a matter of time before they update them.
Nope, you can't slip stream. Combo updates and use those for per machine installation; Netboot and image restore for large scale deployments using an XServe running Mac OS X Server.
You wont need to do that, SL will when reinstalled after you have say 10.6.2 it will put 10.6.2 back on for you automatically so you don't have to put on any updates