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WMP11 is gorgeous, so i wouldnt mind that at all :D

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Though WMP is a bit more blue than the mobileme theme.

WMP has the unique ability to look unorganised despite it actually being organised. Its way to busy.

And I think the whole aero theme is too 'chunky' and 'flash'. Too many colours and shiny things for my liking.
 
the iMac refresh (supposedly) has been ready for months

No, if they were ready it would be announced. Apple wouldn't have missed the holiday buying season if new models were ready then, it wouldn't have failed to announce them at Macworld if they were ready then, and they wouldn't be watching potential customers drift away to Windows if they were ready now. They aren't ready. And there's no reason to wait for Snow Leopard; if they announce new models now, they simply say that when SL comes out users will see an even bigger performance increase.
 
Marble UI

In the Marble UI:

A Translucent Black Scroll Bar that only appears when you hover your mouse over the side of the screen

All windows are translucent black and replacing the red, orange and green buttons with rounded rectangle x, -, and +'s.

dock to be like it is in leopard if you have it on the left or right of the screen

have a totally redesigned menu bar - have it so it looks just like the dock that i mentioned before.

AND PLEASE GET RID OF THE BRUSHED METAL LOOK!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek::eek::eek:
 
In the Marble UI:

A Translucent Black Scroll Bar that only appears when you hover your mouse over the side of the screen

All windows are translucent black and replacing the red, orange and green buttons with rounded rectangle x, -, and +'s.

dock to be like it is in leopard if you have it on the left or right of the screen

have a totally redesigned menu bar - have it so it looks just like the dock that i mentioned before.

AND PLEASE GET RID OF THE BRUSHED METAL LOOK!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek::eek::eek:

Sounds like Windows Vista GUI. :D
 
Functional vs Flashy

The interface is better to be 'quiet', it is the content within applications that should be attracting your attention not the underlying UI. The UI should be consistent and very functional and that's what Apple achieve. Most Mac users use way more applications at any given time than a PC user so the UI not getting in the way is more important. Most PC users I come across run only one or two things at the same time (generally some form of Outlook or IE) full screen, whereas most Mac users have a myriad of apps open and running with various sized overlapping windows, so again a non intrusive UI is better. - Just my 2 cents worth on this.

I couldn't agree more. Microsoft's Vista and 7 beta seem to be based on the notion that the shinier, the better. "If Mac has some glitter, we'll make ours look WAY more glittery!". Meanwhile Mac is trying to appeal to more enterprise users with an interface that gets out of the way and is more, well, professional in appearance. As someone who works on computers all day, every day, I don't like a bunch of shiny translucency in the interface. It's fun for a brief while, but if you have to work with it all day it gets old realfast, and so it is a relief that the newer versions of the Mac interface are so much more subdued and elegant than their Windows counterparts.

Having written that, I dislike the new itunes scroll bars because the edges seem fuzzy rather than crisp, which to me makes them very awkward looking, particularly on the ends. If you edit an iCal 09 entry and put some text in the 'notes' section, you get a white scroll bar that is quite similar to the itunes one, but much better rendered. This seems like the direction they are going in, hopefully.

Is the Aqua interface 'dated'? I submit that the idea that an interface is 'dated' based on its appearance is conceptually shoddy. Does it somehow smack of a bygone era? I suspect that OS9 is now dated, although I always loved the Platinum look. What you are really saying is that you are tired of its appearance. I would suspect that an interface would be dated not by a lack of constant aesthetic change but by a lack of functionality - you can't perform various functions with the ease and/or speed that you would like, or properly employ the latest software. In this sense, the 10.5 interface is quite successful.
 
Is the Aqua interface 'dated'? I submit that the idea that an interface is 'dated' based on its appearance is conceptually shoddy. Does it somehow smack of a bygone era? I suspect that OS9 is now dated, although I always loved the Platinum look. What you are really saying is that you are tired of its appearance. I would suspect that an interface would be dated not by a lack of constant aesthetic change but by a lack of functionality - you can't perform various functions with the ease and/or speed that you would like, or properly employ the latest software. In this sense, the 10.5 interface is quite successful.

I agree completely with that.
 
When ever I get bored of the Aqua theme I just invert the colors. Just press control+option+command+8.
 
I agree completely with that.
Same here, with three caveats...

1. I would like 10.6 to inherit both Linux's and Windows' ability to expand the window from any edge surface instead of only the lower right corner. I find it useful.

2. I would like Apple to introduce the option of window-centric menus and float it as a "trial balloon" to see what the rest of the Mac-using population thinks, kind of like what they did with different list views and Coverflow.

3. I would like Apple to either: A. Make the Apple Menu directly user-customizable; or B. Add the ability to the dock to be more modifiable than it presently is, perhaps with menus or other functions.


I look forward to seeing what kinds of changes Apple makes to (um, guys, what do we call it any more? If it is no longer "aqua", then do we still call it "Aqua"?) the Mac OS X file manager and the rest of the UI.
 
I couldn't agree more. Microsoft's Vista and 7 beta seem to be based on the notion that the shinier, the better. "If Mac has some glitter, we'll make ours look WAY more glittery!".
Yeah, Windows 7 isn't too pretty and it's weird that they didn't distance it more from Vista in every conceivable way, particularly the visual aspects. MS has somehow mistaken the OS for the star of your desktop, when in fact an OS GUI should get out of your way and let the content take center stage.

But M$ fanboy extraordinaire Paul Thurrott insists that M$ has a new brand new Win7 UI that they're holding off for the RTM builds (i.e. it will not be introduced with the release candidate due out in May). So it's possible that the Redmond crowd has a "Marble" ace to play, too.

Meanwhile Mac is trying to appeal to more enterprise users with an interface that gets out of the way and is more, well, professional in appearance.
While the OS X interface is certainly more classy, I wouldn't use any terms involving the word "enterprise" to describe it. It was classier and more spartan before Leopard, IMO. With the super-glossy mirror dock and the default "Aurora" wallpaper they stepped on the wrong side of the line between classy and Vista Aero. They appear to share some of Microsoft's penchant for eye-popping, obtrusive, high-contrast desktop wallpapers. Why the hell would I want a zebra-skin wallpaper, a giant blowup of a ladybug or an abstract pattern featuring neon green, neon mint blue, neon orange and neon magenta at the same time?
 
Why the hell would I want a zebra-skin wallpaper, a giant blowup of a ladybug or an abstract pattern featuring neon green, neon mint blue, neon orange and neon magenta at the same time?

You make it sound as if you're powerless to put in whatever you want. Really?
 
But M$ fanboy extraordinaire Paul Thurrott insists that M$ has a new brand new Win7 UI that they're holding off for the RTM builds (i.e. it will not be introduced with the release candidate due out in May). So it's possible that the Redmond crowd has a "Marble" ace to play, too.

Really? I thought that the only big change he was alluding to had to do with application virtualization. There have been so many small tweaks and refinements to Aero that I think Microsoft is sticking with it, for better or for worse. These subtle tweaks make it quite a bit less jarring than Vista while retaining the same basic idea. I think they would be better off with something less flashy and sharp, the glass look would work if it were made to be more subtle, leaving the focus with the content.
 
Really? I thought that the only big change he was alluding to had to do with application virtualization. There have been so many small tweaks and refinements to Aero that I think Microsoft is sticking with it, for better or for worse. These subtle tweaks make it quite a bit less jarring than Vista while retaining the same basic idea. I think they would be better off with something less flashy and sharp, the glass look would work if it were made to be more subtle, leaving the focus with the content.
Well, Thurrott mentioned these rumors in his latest post about build 7106:
WinSuperSite.com said:
There are rumors, too, that a new UI is coming and it may make sense for Microsoft to hold on to that UI for the RTM builds, so that it has one last surprise to offer up to its eager fans. Indeed, the smartest thing Microsoft has done with Windows 7, in many ways, is keep the drama high by playing things close to the vest
When he says rumors, he usually means insider rumors, not something he read on Twitter.

I agree that the minor tweaks are a step in the right direction, but it's still ugly enough. The logon screen background is hideous (both the motif and the jpeg artifacts), the window padding is fatter than Bruce Vilanch and the jarring mixture of green and blue text in places like the Control Panel is still there. Also, there's still the problem with dark and bright color themes; if you use a dark one like "Graphite", the white goo they stick behind the black window title text sticks out like a sore thumb, but if you use a bright theme like "Frost" to get rid of the white goo, the taskbar also becomes really bright, to the point where the white taskbar text is drowned in bright gloss. White text on light grey is an ergonomic no-no. And don't get me started on the default desktop themes, such as this one:

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Is this a professional-looking workspace or am I in "Finding Nemo"? And why is the ReCycle bin still in the upper left corner, can't they just make it into some sort of taskbar gadget so that the desktop can be liberated from the last one item that still lives there?

You make it sound as if you're powerless to put in whatever you want. Really?
Sure, I have no idea how to use a custom wallpaper. Also, what is this soapbar-like thing to the right of my keyboard, and where do I plug it in? :rolleyes:

Of course not, the question is why Apple would offer such a tasteless selection of out-of-the-box wallpapers when their visual sensibility is normally quite impeccable. Apple's "Nature" and "Abstract" wallpapers are very Microsoft-ish. People who can't be arsed to look for or make their own custom wallpapers will use these, which means that hundreds of thousands of Macs out there look tacky.

Same here, with three caveats...

1. I would like 10.6 to inherit both Linux's and Windows' ability to expand the window from any edge surface instead of only the lower right corner. I find it useful.

2. I would like Apple to introduce the option of window-centric menus and float it as a "trial balloon" to see what the rest of the Mac-using population thinks, kind of like what they did with different list views and Coverflow.

3. I would like Apple to either: A. Make the Apple Menu directly user-customizable; or B. Add the ability to the dock to be more modifiable than it presently is, perhaps with menus or other functions.
In other words, you want...

1. OS X to be more like Windows
2. OS X to be more like Windows
3. OS X to be more like Windows

And I agree on all three points, incidentally, but I think there's a certain amount of foolish pride and stubbornness involved. It's like the two mouse buttons thing. Apple realized long ago that two mouse buttons are obviously more useful than one, but since it's a Windows thing, they won't go ahead and just put two buttons on an Apple mouse. Instead they try to sneak in the same functionality, first with a modifier key and later with the Mighty Mouse which technically has two buttons, but it's masked to look like a one-button mouse and you have to go into Preferences to activate the right-click menu. The ability to resize a window by clicking and dragging any window edge or corner is obviously better than a single resize handle, that's a no-brainer, but it would look like they had caved in to the Windows way of doing things so they'll probably never implement it.

As for window-centric menus, they floated that idea when OS X was in development but were shot down, either by Apple insiders or by luddite Mac users. The menu bar in OS X is a relic from the early 80's when you had so little screen space (the original Mac had a 9" screen) that you had to save every pixel. This solution has no place on a dual 30" screen setup.
 
Actually, isn't that one of those fighting fish that live in cesspools? If that's the case, then I can't think of a more apt metaphor for the Windows environment.

In other words, you want...

1. OS X to be more like Windows
No! Heavens no! If anything, I'd like it to be more like Gnome or KDE.

2. OS X to be more like Windows
See my response for #1.

3. OS X to be more like Windows
No, I'd like Apple to put back some basic functionality that Mac OS had from 7.0 to 9.2.2 (modifiable Apple Menu), or that ActionUtilities' GoMac added to that same basic range of Classic Mac OS environments.
 
Actually, isn't that one of those fighting fish that live in cesspools? If that's the case, then I can't think of a more apt metaphor for the Windows environment.
Actually it's a betta fish. They're indigenous to Thailand and apart from being fierce fighters they're extremely resilient little SOBs who can survive anywhere, due to their ability to take oxygen from the atmosphere rather than just the water. If you think Windows is tough, adaptive and able to handle anything you throw at it, then yeah, I guess it's an apt metaphor. ;)

As it turns out, though, they chose the betta fish motif for the Windows 7 beta simply because of the cheesy wordplay opportunity (betta - beta).

No! Heavens no! If anything, I'd like it to be more like Gnome or KDE.


See my response for #1.


No, I'd like Apple to put back some basic functionality that Mac OS had from 7.0 to 9.2.2 (modifiable Apple Menu), or that ActionUtilities' GoMac added to that same basic range of Classic Mac OS environments.
Well, either way... window-centric menus, the ability to resize a window by grabbing any edge or corner, and a customizable Apple menu (which would kind of transform it into a Windows Start Menu equivalent) are things that I personally A) associate with Windows, and B) always miss when I use a Mac. And I still think there's some foolish pride associated with the Mac way of doing things, to the point of where Apple will avoid adopting a good idea just because Windows or Linux had it first.
 
Imo, the dock needs a little work. Managing a ton of windows with the dock and expose can be a pain. I would love to see them take a hint from MS and have window previews on the dock when i hover over its respective icon. I use this a ton in windows 7 and it is incredibly useful. Of course, if apple used this they would have to come up with some reason to explain how they invented it themselves and MS actually copied them. The dock seems to get in my way more than anything these days.

Resizing from any corner would be nice, and it fits into Fitt's Law (no pun intended, i swear), which is something mac boys like to reference all the time.

Having the menus on the app itself wouldnt make a difference to me. The only apps i use the menus in alot are Firefox and Garageband. GB is always filling up the screen (cant say "maximized" or we'll start a whole new debate) so the menu is in a good place. If i have several firefox windows floating around i often feel the menu is a pain to get to but i've been meaning to add a bookmarks menu to the toolbar in firefox anyway.

Adding to the whole window management thing, i would love 10.6 to have window management like 7 where i can drag a window to the side of the screen and it takes up that half of the screen. Some kind of tiling would be neat too, but that goes against the whole "zoom is better than maximize" thing apple has going on. Whenever i use windows is feels like my windows are where they should be, in Leo it feels like my windows are just floating around aimlessly and it just feels messy.
 
Imo, the dock needs a little work. Managing a ton of windows with the dock and expose can be a pain. I would love to see them take a hint from MS and have window previews on the dock when i hover over its respective icon. I use this a ton in windows 7 and it is incredibly useful. Of course, if apple used this they would have to come up with some reason to explain how they invented it themselves and MS actually copied them. The dock seems to get in my way more than anything these days.

Resizing from any corner would be nice, and it fits into Fitt's Law (no pun intended, i swear), which is something mac boys like to reference all the time.

Having the menus on the app itself wouldnt make a difference to me. The only apps i use the menus in alot are Firefox and Garageband. GB is always filling up the screen (cant say "maximized" or we'll start a whole new debate) so the menu is in a good place. If i have several firefox windows floating around i often feel the menu is a pain to get to but i've been meaning to add a bookmarks menu to the toolbar in firefox anyway.

Adding to the whole window management thing, i would love 10.6 to have window management like 7 where i can drag a window to the side of the screen and it takes up that half of the screen. Some kind of tiling would be neat too, but that goes against the whole "zoom is better than maximize" thing apple has going on. Whenever i use windows is feels like my windows are where they should be, in Leo it feels like my windows are just floating around aimlessly and it just feels messy.

i totally agree with you, i have tested out both Leopard and Windows 7, and the latter's window management is much more effective.
for example when i have many Finder windows open, it's kinda hard for me to switch between windows, when it's really easy and fast to do it with Windows 7's Explorer. in fact, the Windows Explorer is very superior to the Finder, comparing Leopard to Vista or 7 of course, because the numerous column fields and sorting/grouping options (sort by artist name, track number for music files for example) and the different icon view options and sizes..

i'm hoping Apple would add these missing features to Finder while rewriting it for Snow Leopard.
 
Well Imo the dock was a terrible idea to begin with, and now when it's more important than ever to advance your file and desktop environment it's hard to do so with the dock, and Apple can't switch to the taskbar now because that would be major copying and would be frowned upon greatly. While Windows 7 is implementing Dock features into its taskbar. It's hard for Apple to implement taskbar features into a dock. So Microsoft has the advantage. The dock sucks.
 
The thing about 7 is that they are taking the good features of the dock and using them while keeping all the great taskbar features in tact. Its really a joy to use the new taskbar, it just feels so right. The dock feels really clumsy and inefficient when i go back to leopard.
 
I've always disliked the dock. In fact, my second post ever here at MR was in large part a rant about how much the dock sucks.
 
Well there you go.

Yet my #3 reason for switching was in fact, the dock.
The start menu / taskbar implementation is just a failed idea to me.
Also, the new Windows 7 'Superbar' is a taskbar / dock beast. Funny, Microsoft seems to think the dock is the way forward. :eek:
 
the only thing wrong with the Dock now is icon previews which do not show when you drag a document to the Dock like in does in Stacks. if you just put two Pages documents together in the Dock you have no idea which is which without mouseing over. Apple could easily add icon previews to documents in the Dock to solve this. hopefully in Snow Kitty.
 
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