"Styop complaining"... lol, right, I should keep my mouth shut that this is crap because something else is worse? Because I followed the directions and it didn't work? You insult me.
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"Styop complaining"... lol, right, I should keep my mouth shut that this is crap because something else is worse? Because I followed the directions and it didn't work? You insult me.
When about 90% of us followed the same instructions, got it working better than you did, it means you did something wrong. Majority of minority.
Now this is also presumptuous, insulting, and does not address my primary complaint, which is that I followed the instructions provided, which did not say to back up, wipe the drive, and do a clean install. I have a 2 month old MP Pro, with no unsupported applications, hacks, or extensions. My point is that I was presented with the premise that this was supposed to be different; and it is not. It is worse. I consider myself reasonably savvy at this stuff, and able to figure things out by searching and reading instructions. I found a solution for the AirPort disconnect that worked for me and I shared it in three separate threads; I try to give back and contribute.
You can't handle the fact that the OS isn't ready for prime time; that it works fine for some, and is bug ridden and incompatible with some configurations for others. It's a fact. For every one who is posting here pissed off, there are thousands who are not posting here who are pissed off. And that's not good. It means that Apple screwed up by releasing the OS before it was ready. It needs to be work for almost everyone; it needs to work when all you do is follow the instructions on the package. This is the computer that isn't supposed to need tweaking, remember? The one that Aunt Marge should be able to turn on and use?
You don't know me. You don't know my setup. You are holding your fingers in your ears and going "nyahnyahnyaheverythingisfine!" I certainly have some things in my system that are different from yours; yours works and mine doesn't. You are still missing the point, which is that if the instructions say to insert the disk and follow what is written on the screen, then that should work.
I can figure it out myself. I'm about halfway there, I solved the major issue which was the airport disconnect (google "snow leopard wireless disconnect", and look at the 23,000+hits you will get). Because YOU are a mac fan boy and have it already figured out does not make someone like myself, with 15 years of windows experience going back to sorting out IRQs and DMAs, an idiot. It means that the thing didn't work the way it was described that it would. Just like Windows Millenium.
thats inappropriate comparison.
no windows run a million times slower than any mac OS ever produced. and it syncs with every camera in the market, which mac can't claim the same. While no versions of OSX support as many softwares and games made for windows.
the equality doesn't exist. one way or another.
if apple's product caused problem for your computer that happens to be made by apple, you should call apple customer service. Dragging windows into discussion is unnecessary and not helpful.
no windows run a million times slower than any mac OS ever produced. and it syncs with every camera in the market, which mac can't claim the same. While no versions of OSX support as many softwares and games made for windows.
the equality doesn't exist. one way or another.
if apple's product caused problem for your computer that happens to be made by apple, you should call apple customer service. Dragging windows into discussion is unnecessary and not helpful.
"The concept has been dismissed as bogus by experts in interaction design for putting blame in the wrong place, the user, instead of blaming the error-inducing design and its failure to take into account human imperfections."
Yes, I'm sure Apple should feel terrible that they could not test an upgrade installation on every possible software and hardware configuration that every user might have.
You are mistaken that for everyone complaining here there are thousands suffering who aren't reporting their problems.
There are literally hundreds of user reviews of Snow Leopard and almost noone are having the kinds of problems described in this and other posts. Almost noone who is reporting these problems has done basic troubleshooting.
It's a Mac so it's 'just supposed to work'? How about the several users who had their SL upgrade issues resolved when they removed aftermarket memory modules from their Mac, resolving the trouble?.
The arguments being made about how horrible it is are simply specious. The thousands of people you are going on about are the thousands of satisfied Snow Leopard users.
Will a tiny percentage of users fall through the cracks due to bad or failing hardware, software issues, etc? Sure. Should we all run around in a panic and compare OS X to Windows? Only if we are impaired mentally.
Here's another factoid to digest. With 123 user reviews at Amazon.com Snow Leopard has a 3.5 star rating. Leopard, with over 400 reviews has a 4.0 star rating. If you look at the time frame of when Leopard released it was also rated 3.5 stars at this point in the release cycle. Also known as, Snow Leopard is not any worse than Leopard was at its release and I (and many others) would argue that its actually much much better.
I have loaded Snow Leopard on five different Macs and they are all working great. They were all upgraded and are working great. While troubleshooting an unrelated problem on one machine I eventually did a clean install on it, and it's still working just fine.
Come to grips with the fact that you are in the minority with these problems and seek the appropriate assistance from Apple Care. I'm sure that's what 'Aunt Matilda' will do if she has issues (which she probably won't). The reason that excellent Apple Care exists? Because computers break, computers are complex, and even the easiest to use computers on the planet can have problems.
So... SL sucks but doesn't suck as bad as prior "dot.zero" releases....
LOL!
Therefore, all the 1000's of posts regarding SL's problems are just silly pilot error.
Not hardly... this thread aside, there are legitimate issues. There must be to warrant an update only 8 days later.
How laughable. They always release a point release within 1-3 weeks of a new major release. Go on believing though that all the hundreds of positive reviews are misinformed.
Yes, I'm sure Apple should feel terrible that they could not test an upgrade installation on every possible software and hardware configuration that every user might have.
The hardware combinations Apple can test aren't even a quarter of the possibilities that Windows has to cope with.
You can't blame them. Apple loves to compare OS X to Windows all the time! They've been doing it for years, and they're still doing it today.
Try updating a 3 year old Mac (PowerPC) to Snow Leopard, then come back and tell me what it's like
(I know this is slightly wrong... 4 years since the Mac G5 was introduced, but 3 years since it was discontinued,,, right? Don't shoot me
I have to say that I have been very impressed with Snow Leopard. My 13" MBP came with SL. I bought it on Wednesday and I only had Safari crash once.
Everything has been perfect and this is why I have only touched my HP laptop once since then!
Everything has been perfect and this is why I have only touched my HP laptop once since then!
I did a clean install, but having a lot of problems with the OS that never showed up before now.
I will reinstall the OS now *upgrade only* if it still has problems, i am back to Leopard.
I will reinstall the OS now *upgrade only* if it still has problems, i am back to Leopard.
I find it funny that people still find it surprising they have some issues when they upgrade to brand new OS. If anything Apple has gotten better at it. You think you have problems? you guys should seen what it was like with Mac OS 10.0
Bottom line when a new OS is released you WAIT for devs to catch up & for bugs to be squashed, if you dont want to wait then expect to have some issues. Simple as.
Bottom line when a new OS is released you WAIT for devs to catch up & for bugs to be squashed, if you dont want to wait then expect to have some issues. Simple as.
Then just tell me why Apple's own application Pages 09 crashed on me repeatedly today while saving a simple one-paged document, but it never crashed while I was still using Leopard. And this is just ONE example from my own experiences with Snow Leopard.
But Snow Leopard is not only buggy, it's worst issue is the huge amount of broken backwards compatibility to almost everything that comes from a third party vendor. You -could- say that this is now Apple's fault or problem, but then tell me why this other huge software company manages to maintain backward compatibility over DECADES while Apple almost always completely breaks compatibility even to their own products. (Well, we all know that the reason is simple: Apple wants to sell new hardware for their software.)
Why can't some guys just accept that Apple does make mistakes? It's like arguing that the dog indeed has 3 legs and not four....c'mon...stop being childish...geez..
SL has issues...period...like any software release...the first few versions suck...accept it...for all we know...us early adopters of SL may very well be the guinea pigs for Apple...it will take a few releases for SL to iron out the bugs..
during this time...we can be contructive...the one finding the problems can simply report it to apple...and post the problems faced in forums like this in search of a solution (preferably..avoid using inflammatory titles which convey anything of apple is equal to something of windows)
the ones reading such posts and who believe that SL is the Jesus OS...please get out of your tiny well and accept that there are thousands of macs out there and your particular machine(s) cannot be considered as a representative of all the macs...
SL has issues...period...like any software release...the first few versions suck...accept it...for all we know...us early adopters of SL may very well be the guinea pigs for Apple...it will take a few releases for SL to iron out the bugs..
during this time...we can be contructive...the one finding the problems can simply report it to apple...and post the problems faced in forums like this in search of a solution (preferably..avoid using inflammatory titles which convey anything of apple is equal to something of windows
)the ones reading such posts and who believe that SL is the Jesus OS...please get out of your tiny well and accept that there are thousands of macs out there and your particular machine(s) cannot be considered as a representative of all the macs...
Why can't some guys just accept that Apple does make mistakes? It's like arguing that the dog indeed has 3 legs and not four....c'mon...stop being childish...geez..
SL has issues...period...like any software release...the first few versions suck...accept it...for all we know...us early adopters of SL may very well be the guinea pigs for Apple...it will take a few releases for SL to iron out the bugs..
during this time...we can be contructive...the one finding the problems can simply report it to apple...and post the problems faced in forums like this in search of a solution (preferably..avoid using inflammatory titles which convey anything of apple is equal to something of windows
the ones reading such posts and who believe that SL is the Jesus OS...please get out of your tiny well and accept that there are thousands of macs out there and your particular machine(s) cannot be considered as a representative of all the macs...
This.
I've had very few problems with Snow Leopard, but some folks act like it's a personal insult when someone else does and says so.
Try updating a 3 year old Mac (PowerPC) to Snow Leopard, then come back and tell me what it's like
(I know this is slightly wrong... 4 years since the Mac G5 was introduced, but 3 years since it was discontinued,,, right? Don't shoot me
*Sidenote* Okay, after seeing this, I finally gave into signing up on this website. It may be this hangover, but whatever.
Lets start here by using examples.
Windows machine bought 3-4 years ago - Came with XP, had all the windows issues you still see now. Then Vista came out and everyone had a major pain in the ass upgrade that just made everything worse. So now many years later, they are introducing windows 7 to fix all of those issues that Vista brought in. BUT, those old windows XP machines are still hard at running windows 7. Not as bad as Vista, but still pretty bad.
Apple machine bought 3-4 years ago - Power PC machine, came with OSX 10.4 and ran awesome. OSX 10.5 came out, adding tons of features, and made everything run better. And still ran on the PowerPC. So now snow leopard comes out that increases performance for the INTEL PLATFORM MACS and a few other areas.
So in the end here, you see that Apple may have not added support for PowerPC on 10.6, but they are still releasing updates for security and even performance. I mean they are even still releasing updates for 10.4! So they are not leaving the PowerPC users in the dust at all, they are just focusing more on the new tech.
And last of all... 10.5 isn't anywhere to make older systems run better, or make something work, since all macs are already running awesome, it was to increase performance on the new intel platforms they are running. So the PowerPC didn't even need the upgrade. And all x86 Windows machines did need the new os to make up for all that BS buggyness. So shut up and stop comparing **** like that if you don't know what you're talking about.
P.S. BOOM, I shot you.
I don't have to tell you anything, as most users are not having that problem.
Every OS release has issues. Your comments about MS are particularly hilarious, as MS has;
1. Crippled their OS by maintaining backwards compatibility with ancient software from the early 90's. This has kept the OS in the stone age with outdated registry and .dll libraries.
2. Nowhere near as smooth of new OS launches as Apple. Did you actually go through the Vista launch? I'm a MS Certified Engineer and I wouldn't touch it for six months after release due to what I had seen in the Beta and RC builds.
3. For mid level PCs from a few years ago that are currently running 32 bit Vista, an upgrade to 32 bit Windows 7 has been estimated to take 21 hours by Microsoft. Low end machines could take longer. Please continue looking like a fool by insisting that MS has 'got it right' when it comes to this sort of stuff.
It's quite amusing that every time some users have a few issues with an Apple product they show up on these forums swearing off Apple forever and talking about how much better MS is at these sorts of things.
If you think MS is great then get at it and go buy a Windows 7 PC. May god have mercy on your soul.
I think people are just trying to find out why. The vast majority of users seem to be running SL with no or minor issues. A minority of users describe a horrible experience. What's the difference. I did a clean install on a new MacBook Pro and an update install on an older Mac Mini. Both went flawless and I have no trouble. So, why is my experience so different than the OP's? I think that is what people are searching for.
I did a clean install and I love it so far. Haven't had any major issues or crashes. I love the new dock and expose features.
In terms of speed, shutdown for me is faster, booting up seems to be slower, sleep seems to take same amount of time or maybe half a second more. Didn't notice any increase in speed for other apps and I frequently use Firefox, iGetter, Adium, Netbeans, MAMP, Filezilla, VLC and Parallel Desktop 4. I am sure the speed will increase as SL is updated and the developers utilize the 64-bit and openCL.
The only crashing issue I have is the system preferences crashing when I go to trackpad and spend few seconds there
Other than that, everything else looks just fine
In terms of speed, shutdown for me is faster, booting up seems to be slower, sleep seems to take same amount of time or maybe half a second more. Didn't notice any increase in speed for other apps and I frequently use Firefox, iGetter, Adium, Netbeans, MAMP, Filezilla, VLC and Parallel Desktop 4. I am sure the speed will increase as SL is updated and the developers utilize the 64-bit and openCL.
The only crashing issue I have is the system preferences crashing when I go to trackpad and spend few seconds there
Other than that, everything else looks just fine