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So... about that Macbook screen wash-out

If you compare the old MB to the new MB in that comparison photo, the new MB is way brighter than the old MB.

So what is everyone complaining about? I think this is blown out of porportion.

They should compare the MB to the MB, not MBA to MB. Different price categories.

The new MB screen compared to the old MB screen is better.
 
8theapple said:
If you compare the old MB to the new MB in that comparison photo, the new MB is way brighter than the old MB.

So what is everyone complaining about? I think this is blown out of porportion.

They should compare the MB to the MB, not MBA to MB. Different price categories.

The new MB screen compared to the old MB screen is better.
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I compared my Blackbook's screen to my friends new 2.0 alu Macbook side by side and color wise his is a little better, but his blacks were worse. That is my opinion and others are entitled to theirs. I like the new ones for the most part though.

I don't blame people for complaining. Apple for too long (previous and current) have been putting in subpar screens in their Macbook's and asking premium prices for it. Hopefully for all of our sakes and for future buyers, Apple will make them with better screens. That will help all of us.
 
That Gizmondo comparison is really making me consider the new macbook air 1.86 with 128GB SSD......

How much snappier will the new MBA be vs the old? Thats my question to the tech geeks here.....

Old: 3 MB L2 Cache.
New: 6 MB L2 Cache.

Old: 1.80GHz Core 2 Duo 65nm
New: 1.86GHz Core 2 Duo 45nm

Old: 667MHz Front Side Bus
New: 1066MHz Front Side Bus

Old: 2GB DDR2 667MHz RAM
New: 2GB DDR3 1066MHz RAM

Old: Intel GMA Integrated Graphics
New: Nvidia GeForce 9400M

Old: 64GB SSD PATA
New: 128GB SSD SATA
 
rutiger said:
i assume he's been reading these threads.
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It may surprise you to know, the people on these forums, with all their complaints and fanatical nitpickiness, myself included, are by far the minority of Apple customers. Apple's customer base is growing by leaps and bounds. Soccer moms and teenagers whose first Apple product is an iPhone/iPod are quickly outnumbering us forum dwelling geeks. The odds that the person you observed has never even heard of MacRumors are far better than you think.
 
I got mine yesterday, got the 9C89 screen. I've loaded TxMacAddicts colour profile and it looks great to so far, a definite step up from my girlfriend's WhiteBook.

I'll see how it goes this week, going to do some testing on movies tonight but so far so good.
 
HoldFastHope said:
I got mine yesterday, got the 9C89 screen. I've loaded TxMacAddicts colour profile and it looks great to so far, a definite step up from my girlfriend's WhiteBook.

I'll see how it goes this week, going to do some testing on movies tonight but so far so good.
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Do you have a link. Mine is also 9C89 screen and I would like to try it if it helps.:D
 
TrunksGoku said:
ok 2 vids showing the quality of the screen...i feel video captures it better than pics.

I personally dont have a problem with it, but I leave it up to everyone else to decide for themselves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMe7bvwHWk0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD3vx2G_HzA

watch it in high res
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thanks for that....the screen looks fine in my opinion. some people just need things to complain about. Its leaps better than the plastic macbook screen (Unless you have bright lights directly behind you)
 
8theapple said:
If you compare the old MB to the new MB in that comparison photo, the new MB is way brighter than the old MB.

So what is everyone complaining about? I think this is blown out of porportion.
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I complain about black levels, contrast and inaccurate color reproduction.

It all depends on what one compares it to, coming from a older Macbook or Acer it may look like a good screen. Coming from a MBA or Sony SZ it looks like a bad screen.
 
Philflow said:
I complain about black levels, contrast and inaccurate color reproduction.

It all depends on what one compares it to, coming from a older Macbook or Acer it may look like a good screen. Coming from a MBA or Sony SZ it looks like a bad screen.
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Philflow, why do you make comparisons between the MBA and the MB? The MBA is priced higher than the MB. Of course it will have the better screen panel. The MBA is in the same price range as the MBP so for those two computers to share the same screen panels makes business sense.

But if one were to compare apples to apples (MB to MB), then you can see that the new AluMB has a better screen than the outgoing MB.

If the new screen was worse than the old MB, then there would be a valid point of contention. But it's not.
 
i agree as long as it's better than the old mb screen, then i'm fine with it. that's the only thing comparison that makes sense.
 
8theapple said:
Philflow, why do you make comparisons between the MBA and the MB? The MBA is priced higher than the MB. Of course it will have the better screen panel. The MBA is in the same price range as the MBP so for those two computers to share the same screen panels makes business sense.
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I don't know about prices in the US but the price here in The netherlands of my config (2.4GHz 320GB) is 1589,- euro. The base model Air costs 1449,- euro.

If I spend these kind of amounts I expect a top quality screen.

I was just mentioning the Air as an example. For 1300 euro I can get a Sony SR. Not as pretty as a MB but a much better glossy LED screen.
 
Philflow said:
I don't know about prices in the US but the price here in The netherlands of my config (2.4GHz 320GB) is 1589,- euro. The base model Air costs 1449,- euro.

If I spend these kind of amounts I expect a top quality screen.

I was just mentioning the Air as an example. For 1300 euro I can get a Sony SR. Not as pretty as a MB but a much better glossy LED screen.
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It's an Apple. They are overpriced period. That's the reality of purchasing an Apple product. For the amount of money one is spending on a Macbook do you know how many other laptops offer better specs overall than the Macbook (more powerful processor, more ram, larger hd, better screen, etc.)?

Now you're comparing the fully spec'd Macbook 2.4 to a base MBA as a price comparison. Another totally unfair comparison.

Remember the Macbook is Apple's entry level consumer notebook. A lot of the posters on here are portraying that the screen is unusable which is simply not the case.

If you compare the old MB to the new MB, the screen on the new one is better. That's the bottom line. TrunksGoku has posted videos of the screen and he fluctuates the angles as well (within normal viewing parameters) and the screen is fine.
 
If you believe the screen is fine headover to Notebookjournal.de and see what they measured.

Disclaimer: don't do it if you want to keep believing the screen is fine.
 
Philflow said:
If you believe the screen is fine headover to Notebookjournal.de and see what they measured.

Disclaimer: don't do it if you want to keep believing the screen is fine.
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Hey, you know what nevermind. You're right Philflow. The new Macbook is the worst laptop ever built and is completely unusable. What was Steve Jobs thinking? That montior is so bad, they should have just shipped the computer without a screen and it would have been much better. They should abolish the new MB and the old MB because the screens are the worst screens ever to be engineered and built. The blacks aren't truly black, how can my life continue? :rolleyes:
 
Look if you're ok with an average display (and I'm being generous here) good for you.

If you look at the objective measurements done by Notebookjournal you'll see that the black levels are indeed bad and so is the contrast.

Some people may not notice this in real life. Some people do.
 
notebook journal

Umm...does everyone on the site read German, or can you change the language on the site.

Sorry, my sole exposure to German is the movie "Downfall" and the "Rock Me Amadeus" video by Falco.

My God, I suddenly feel old..
 
fuzzielitlpanda said:
i agree as long as it's better than the old mb screen, then i'm fine with it. that's the only thing comparison that makes sense.
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That is more or less my position too. This discussion has been more than enough to make me want to evaluate the issue first hand, continue my product research, and wait until the initial builds have flowed through the retail system. However, in the end, I think the unibody MacBook will be the best Mac to fit my needs. I do want to use it for digital imaging, but I'm no pro and I can get a dedicated display for that if I find the MB display fails.

Still, I won't take anything away from the people in this forum who are complaining about the displays. Whether they are just more discerning or just have higher expectations for a notebook computer at the MB price point, I hope they remain vocal enough to keep Apple thinking about its display choices. If Apple wants to be HP or Dell in the next 10 years, then keep it up with the inferior displays - great way to downgrade an great computer. On the other hand, if Apple wants to maintain its tenuous hold on high class, then it should listen to its loyal customer base and provide solutions that keep the customers happy. It's easy enough to set a price to keep the sales margin cranking!
 
clyde2801 said:
Umm...does everyone on the site read German, or can you change the language on the site.
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I read german. Here's the info. High contrast is better, low blacklevels (schwarzwert) is better.

The C89 panel in Macbook:
durchschnittl. Luminanz cd/m² 245,00 (average brightness)
Schwarzwert bei 100 cd/m2 cd/m² 0,69 (blacklevels at maximum brightness)
Schwarzwert bei maximaler Helligkeit cd/m² 1,64 (blacklevels at maximum brightness)
Kontrast bei 100 cd/m2 :1 145,00 (contrast at 100 cd/m2 brightness)
Kontrast bei maximaler Helligkeit :1 147,00 (contrast at maximum brightness)

The MBA panel:
Helligkeit und Kontrast
durchschnittl. Luminanz cd/m² 387,50
Schwarzwert bei 100 cd/m2 cd/m² 0,15
Schwarzwert bei maximaler Helligkeit cd/m² 0,65
Kontrast bei 100 cd/m2 :1 666,70
Kontrast bei maximaler Helligkeit :1 596,20

Sony SR series
durchschnittl. Luminanz cd/m² 248,00
Schwarzwert bei 100 cd/m2 cd/m² 0,20
Schwarzwert bei maximaler Helligkeit cd/m² 0,50
Kontrast bei 100 cd/m2 :1 500,00
Kontrast bei maximaler Helligkeit :1 496,00

Dell Vostro 1310 with CCFL display (not LED).
durchschnittl. Luminanz cd/m² 211,70
Schwarzwert bei 100 cd/m2 cd/m² 0,70
Schwarzwert bei maximaler Helligkeit cd/m² 1,35
Kontrast bei 100 cd/m2 :1 143,00
Kontrast bei maximaler Helligkeit :1 157,00

Dell 1330 with CCFL display (not LED).
durchschnittl. Luminanz cd/m² 196.5
Schwarzwert bei 100 cd/m2 cd/m² 0.63
Schwarzwert bei maximaler Helligkeit cd/m² 0.75
Kontrast bei 100 cd/m2 :1 158.7
Kontrast bei maximaler Helligkeit :1 262

As you can see brightness of the MB screen is very good. It's contrast and black levels that are it's Achilles' heel. The CCFL screen on Dell 1330 does better. LED screen on Dell 1330 and Sony SZ do a hell of a lot better.
 
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