The only way to make the battery last longer is to cut back MORE functions on the watch, increase the efficiency of the watch circuitry or make the watch bigger to house a larger battery. The type battery used is all we have today for mass use.
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So apple watch...is this really a flop?
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The only way to make the battery last longer is to cut back MORE functions on the watch, increase the efficiency of the watch circuitry or make the watch bigger to house a larger battery. The type battery used is all we have today for mass use.
Bought a Sports Watch a few weeks ago and a 5c to go with it.
Can't say I've used it much but I enjoy playing with it as I'm a
bit of a gadget nut. Both are beautiful pieces of kit and I love
them. I just love Apple stuff and will continue to buy their newest
stuff. To hell with how useful they turn out to be!
Can't say I've used it much but I enjoy playing with it as I'm a
bit of a gadget nut. Both are beautiful pieces of kit and I love
them. I just love Apple stuff and will continue to buy their newest
stuff. To hell with how useful they turn out to be!
Of course it is impossible for the Apple Watch to be more successful than the iPhone. To use an Apple Watch you must have a (qualifying) iPhone. Best case scenario is that everyone who buys an iPhone buys an Apple Watch, too. That's never going to happen, so Apple Watch sales will always be less than iPhone sales.
(I guess there's the issue of people who already have iPhones buying Apple Watches. I assume those people have already done so now. Hence the initial surge in sales.)
Actually it's been more successful than the original iPhone. I'm betting Apple is quite happy!
This. Apple entered a market here with specific needs and some brand loyalty. Phones...lots of people need them and apple placed themselves well here years ago. Got my eye long ago in the phone realm. I will never have a need or want for this watch though. Not a bad thing...the watch just doesn't suit my needs or wants.
I swim a fair bit. Pool and ocean. I get done swimming for me...my boy likes the pool so its play time with him for hours at times.
I will dive at some point. Recent watch buy I did...rated for depths I will never see most likely (200m according to victorianox) lol.
Not seeing apple meet these needs. Now Victorianox/swiss army has for years. Been good to me for many years ....apple just not swaying me from them.
People with similar interests to me...we won't be a +1 customer. If like me...I can't justify to myself or the CFO (aka the wifey) having a $500 watch to swim with...and another to work with. Especially when my phone and ipad mini have the same software. My iphone on desk, ipad mini in the meeting down the office...what one knows so does the other basically. I solved the don't look obvious using a phone problem....I hop on that screen for a sec before I go back to my note taking application I use heavily.
Ive had my SGS for almost 2 months now and I really really like it but as I tell people who ask about it, and I do get a lot of questions on it, I think its a great device but not 400+ dollar great device. 250 to 300 it would be a great device.
I think it's fantastic. Not for everyone, but a lot of people would find it quite useful and enjoyable. Yes there are some minor frustrations here and there, but for me the benefits far outweigh them.
What is kind of shocking is the downright hostile press. While there are a some reviews that are positive (or that are at least balanced), there are far more that are ridiculously negative... going out of their way to find reasons to declare the product a failure. I remember early iPad reviews questioning what it was good for...especially when many people already had a smartphone and a laptop, but I don't remember the same degree of negative hyperbole around the iPad. Part of me thinks the gold Edition is responsible for the backlash. Some people find the price and the idea of the gold edition so repugnant that they want the entire concept to fail. I think others just like to see Apple fail, so they are hoping the Watch will be a massive failure and that the gold Edition Apple Watch will go down in infamy as a symbol of a company that went off the rails.
Personally I believe it will be another hit for Apple within two or three years time. It's already the best smart watch on the market, and it will probably take a year or more before the best Android watches can match it in terms of performance and features/apps. It feels a little like when I got my first iPhone (3G). The Android phones at the time were not as nice, and the app support wasn't there yet for Android. I felt a little weird using my first iPhone in the presence of people using flip phones, but by the time I got my iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 just about everyone had an iPhone or Android. I don't think the watch will be as popular, but I bet it will do quite well. Expect to see a lot more on peoples' wrists after the holidays.
Sean
What is kind of shocking is the downright hostile press. While there are a some reviews that are positive (or that are at least balanced), there are far more that are ridiculously negative... going out of their way to find reasons to declare the product a failure. I remember early iPad reviews questioning what it was good for...especially when many people already had a smartphone and a laptop, but I don't remember the same degree of negative hyperbole around the iPad. Part of me thinks the gold Edition is responsible for the backlash. Some people find the price and the idea of the gold edition so repugnant that they want the entire concept to fail. I think others just like to see Apple fail, so they are hoping the Watch will be a massive failure and that the gold Edition Apple Watch will go down in infamy as a symbol of a company that went off the rails.
Personally I believe it will be another hit for Apple within two or three years time. It's already the best smart watch on the market, and it will probably take a year or more before the best Android watches can match it in terms of performance and features/apps. It feels a little like when I got my first iPhone (3G). The Android phones at the time were not as nice, and the app support wasn't there yet for Android. I felt a little weird using my first iPhone in the presence of people using flip phones, but by the time I got my iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 just about everyone had an iPhone or Android. I don't think the watch will be as popular, but I bet it will do quite well. Expect to see a lot more on peoples' wrists after the holidays.
Sean
When I got my the first iPhone it was a long time before I saw anyone else with one. I already personally know several people that have the watch. That alone indicates to me that it's been more successful, at this stage, than the original phone.
As to the press coverage you have to remember they have advertisers/sponsors that will often skew their views of competing products.
What always comes to my mind are the scifi novels I read that all include some kind of wrist/forearm imbedded device used for communication and alerts for their characters. Many movies and tv shows also use a similar device for their characters. And we know the Star Trek communicator eventually became the flip phone. Eventually such devices will become quite common and the watch is just the beginning of that. Apple's version may not be the one that most people use but based on their track record I believe they will be pretty successful with them. The signs are all there we are headed in that direction. And when such a device can completely eliminate the need of a cell phone, game over. Everyone will have one whether made by Apple or not. But I think that's a long way to go.
As an Apple Watch owner I agree that the Apple Watch would be a "better" product if they simply reduced the purchase price. The Apple Watch does not share the benefit that the iPhone receives - a wireless carrier subsidy.
Most folks would balk at spending $799 for an iPhone but are willing to pay $199 and walk out of an Apple store.
But believe me everyone is paying $799 and up for their iPhone.
Most folks would balk at spending $799 for an iPhone but are willing to pay $199 and walk out of an Apple store.
But believe me everyone is paying $799 and up for their iPhone.
In today's world we all want extremes. Something has to be a wild success or a flop - a home run or a strike out.
In baseball terms, the AW is a single. The smartwatch market doesn't have the appeal or potential as the iPod/iPhone or iPad market. As someone else said, it will sell well because of Apple's reputation and customer base who will give Apple the benefit of the doubt in a new category.
What kept it to just a single? I think Apple oversold the device in it's first gen form. I also think they tried too hard to see it as a credible fashion item...rather than wearable technology. The watch market is really 3 segments - relatively cheap fashion watches that are accesories (bracelets that tell time), true fashion high dollar watches and wearables tech (from Garmins to Pebble's.)
Apple kept pushing it as a combo of high fashion and tech...which was neither fish nor foul. It was also priced fairly high for accessory to an iPhone. And the launch was a fiasco.
I think the ATV comparison was dead on. It's a decent enough product that will be part of the 'Other' line. It'll sell millions. It will be profitable. But for Cook's first product line...it was somewhat underwhelming. That's the tough part of following a guy who hit a lot of home runs.
In baseball terms, the AW is a single. The smartwatch market doesn't have the appeal or potential as the iPod/iPhone or iPad market. As someone else said, it will sell well because of Apple's reputation and customer base who will give Apple the benefit of the doubt in a new category.
What kept it to just a single? I think Apple oversold the device in it's first gen form. I also think they tried too hard to see it as a credible fashion item...rather than wearable technology. The watch market is really 3 segments - relatively cheap fashion watches that are accesories (bracelets that tell time), true fashion high dollar watches and wearables tech (from Garmins to Pebble's.)
Apple kept pushing it as a combo of high fashion and tech...which was neither fish nor foul. It was also priced fairly high for accessory to an iPhone. And the launch was a fiasco.
I think the ATV comparison was dead on. It's a decent enough product that will be part of the 'Other' line. It'll sell millions. It will be profitable. But for Cook's first product line...it was somewhat underwhelming. That's the tough part of following a guy who hit a lot of home runs.
The second-hand market is going to be terrible (probably the worst of any apple product). If you didn't sell it when they initially were out of stock, you will be lucky to get half back. This is from my experience when I thought about/tried to sell mine a few weeks ago.
It would be better if it were just free! But whatever price it is, I'm assuming that none of us who purchased one went broke doing so. Again I'm assuming that everyone including myself considered it worth the price or we would have passed on it for now. And you're quite correct about the phone price. Most carriers are trying to get away from the subsidized model which will probably go away eventually and you'll just be paying that price up front instead of over the term of a contract.
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I kind of agree about the second hand market. Although we'll just have to wait and see. I think most people go that way in order to get some money back when buying a replacement or new model. I don't think we're going to see a new version of the watch for quite a while and we'll see what shakes out then.
There is a report out that says non-techies are happier with the Apple Watch than techies. That backs up what I have noticed. Non-techies put it on and enjoy a watch that also helps decrease their interaction with their phone. Techies configure it and say "Now what do I do?". They seem to want the iPad experience where you play with the new toy for hours upon hours. The watch is very different. It isn't meant to be used all the time.
Lat night I was at a dinner for Tesla fans. Out of the 38 people there, at least 15 were wearing Apple Watches. Up until the last couple of days, if you checked in the evenings, store stock was gone. Checking in the morning would show watches in every store but they would be gone by the evening. I think supply is just now catching up with demand.
Lat night I was at a dinner for Tesla fans. Out of the 38 people there, at least 15 were wearing Apple Watches. Up until the last couple of days, if you checked in the evenings, store stock was gone. Checking in the morning would show watches in every store but they would be gone by the evening. I think supply is just now catching up with demand.
I am guessing Apple Watch is such a flop for Apple, since it is just not enough for Apple from finance point of view (which most company/analysis judge success/fail of business by $$$ received, not just qty sell) to generate higher revenue than 1st gen iPhone, than 1st gen iPad, than all current other smart watch brand (since it own 75% of smart watch market, which again is judge by $$$ received), and than Microsoft Surface (yes, it is not a watch, but just the only meaningful HW sell by Microsoft now).
More revenue than 1st gen iPhone/iPad:
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/21/9010781/apple-watch-sales-numbers-apple-quarterly-earnings
More revenue than all other smart watch:
http://www.macworld.com/article/295...owns-75-percent-of-the-smartwatch-market.html
More revenue than Microsoft's only meaningful HW:
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/07/21/apple-watch-revenue
More revenue than 1st gen iPhone/iPad:
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/21/9010781/apple-watch-sales-numbers-apple-quarterly-earnings
More revenue than all other smart watch:
http://www.macworld.com/article/295...owns-75-percent-of-the-smartwatch-market.html
More revenue than Microsoft's only meaningful HW:
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/07/21/apple-watch-revenue
So iPhone 1st gen was flop-flop, iPad 1st gen was flop-flop, all other smart watch are flop-flop-flop-flop (for only own 25% of market), and Microsoft surface is also flop-flop?
LOL...they are Tesla fans! Which by definition are people who going to be early adopter types.
What made other Apple products special is the broad appeal to consumers. You could pull together 38 owners of Honda, Chevy's, Nissan's, Lexus's, BMW's, Hyundai's, Ford's, Kia's of any age group and likely 40% of them have an iPhone or iPad.
But the AW at it's current price/functionality is a niche product.
I think it's been a resounding success and I love mine. But read through some of the previous posts where reality has been denied and they maintain that every fact you linked to is wrong and that no matter what anybody says it's a flop to them. I wish my entire life had been such a flop
I am guessing 1st gen iPhone and 1st gen iPad was a niche product also, since it generated less revenue than 1st gen AW. They, iPhone/iPad, were not niche any more soon later.
Comparing revenue to a product Apple releases today (with it's mass customer base and reputation) to a smartphone released 10 years ago is pointless.
Anything they release today is going to dwarf early products in revenue.
I think it all depends on people figuring out how these things will fit into their lives. Prior to the iPhone very few people had smart phones now everyone does. We evolve just as technology does.
I think it's been a resounding success and I love mine. But read through some of the previous posts where reality has been denied and they maintain that every fact you linked to is wrong and that no matter what anybody says it's a flop to them. I wish my entire life had been such a flop
Me too, I guess flop is new word for "cha-ching".
One really have to read between the line from Apple CFO to understand magnitude of $$ revenue gained from AW.
From AP:
"But Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri told The Associated Press that revenue from the watch amounted to “well over” that $952 million increase. He said the watch sales were offset by declining revenue from iPods and accessories, which are also lumped into that segment."