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So are all MBP owners with the 8600m GT cards screwed?
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Well they did8400 and 8600, 9200, 9400(not sure if it affects the MacBook as it was specially designed for it), 9600(maybe) all faulty.
Ok, now you're just talking out of your posterior. Its only been the 8600M GT that has affected Macs.
Apple acknowledges nVidia issue
It really doesn't help matters when the issue is confused by fabrication.
This Inquiry article might beg to differ. Although this is quite confusing to me...is author talking about desktop GPUs or hinting at their mobile counterparts as well
I've read the issues on that link...i have none of those issues but i know my card has failed...me and my brother have the same mac...mine was bought in july...his in late september...when we first started to play WoW on them...we were getting around 170 FPS...now i am getting max 80 and he is getting still 170
would Apple still replace it for me
and even if that is not an issue can i just bring it in for repair...cause ive read most of the faulty ones were made up until September
People seem to be having issues with the new cards as well. Whether this is a hardware issue or a software one remains to be seen
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Here's the thing, when you produce huge numbers of any electronic device (esp as complex as a mother board/GPU) you're going to have problems. There were problems w/ ATI too as there are w/ all graphics chip manufacturers. Its inevitable. There's a HUGE difference between some bad apples and the 8600 FIASCO which should be an all-out recall imo. Thats a catastrophe. Just because a few of the new ones have issues is no reason to declare the sky is falling.
That article states under the title that its about "desktop variants this time" and was written in August so in other words this doesn't affect the new MBs and MBPs.
Read the threads and I can vouch there are some graphics issues w/ the new machines. However whether those end up being hardware or software fixes remains to be seen.
Wait, so there are actually NO GOOD 8600's? I was going to get a refurbished Macbook Pro, so what's gonna happen now. :/
Jury is still out. I would guess they've (Nvidia) revised their chips and therefore any 8600 boards coming out of the company now should be bug free. Apple is still selling the 17"MBP with 8600GT cards, unless they want a class action suit i would think the cards shipping in those machines are problem free
GeForce 8600M GT:
Chipset Model: GeForce 8600M GT
Type: Display
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0407
Revision ID: 0x00a1
ROM Revision: 3175
Displays:
Color LCD:
Display Type: LCD
Resolution: 1920 x 1200
Depth: 32-bit Color
Built-In: Yes
Core Image: Hardware Accelerated
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Supported
Display Connector:
Status: No display connected
Looks no different than yours except my ROM is OLDER lmao.
No, it's only the GeForce 8400M and the 8600M which are affected, the 9 series (9400M and 9600M) are not affected by this issue.Well they did
Oh and does anyone know where the serial number of the computer is? Is that on the logic board? Or??? I mean the serial number that displays in system profiler.
Despite what happened to the 8600 series I'll actually take their word over some crackpot statement on this board like "I hear everything from the 7xxx to the 9xxx series are all effected too! Ya my friend said so! I read it on the Inquirer!" ...and that says alot because I don't really trust nVidia all that much right now to be quite honest.
Rev 1A/2 logic boards?
Hi all,
My MBP from june 07 just had its second nvidia graphics card fail in two months. The apple store guy hooked up a drive which runs a test and after a short time running, we got a giant FAIL on the screen to prove the card was dead (PCIE lane check failure, it wasn't in x16 mode anymore). Anyway, the guy was working on the replacement portion when he mentioned that they would be giving me a newer logic board (rev 1a or rev 2, i dont' remember exactly). He implied that it is likely a modified board design that fixes the issue since they obviously know about and have acknowledged the error.
My question is, does anyone know about this rev-2 whatever logic board and whether or not it really fixes the issue? This is the second issue I've had with this same part, and I don't want to get it again. I tried to convince the guy that he was just putting in a ticking time-bomb by giving me the same card, but he said they may offer a replacement machine after the third try. Does anyone have any experience with the newer rev of the logic board this guy was talking about?
Ashish
Hi all,
My MBP from june 07 just had its second nvidia graphics card fail in two months. The apple store guy hooked up a drive which runs a test and after a short time running, we got a giant FAIL on the screen to prove the card was dead (PCIE lane check failure, it wasn't in x16 mode anymore). Anyway, the guy was working on the replacement portion when he mentioned that they would be giving me a newer logic board (rev 1a or rev 2, i dont' remember exactly). He implied that it is likely a modified board design that fixes the issue since they obviously know about and have acknowledged the error.
My question is, does anyone know about this rev-2 whatever logic board and whether or not it really fixes the issue? This is the second issue I've had with this same part, and I don't want to get it again. I tried to convince the guy that he was just putting in a ticking time-bomb by giving me the same card, but he said they may offer a replacement machine after the third try. Does anyone have any experience with the newer rev of the logic board this guy was talking about?
Ashish
Ive had 2 GPU's fail on me too, i got my 17" june of 07 as well. I just got back the replacement yesterday but I have no idea what board is in here...
Well, the test was free, they just hooked up the USB port to a hard drive with the boot OS and test program and restarted your machine off their drive. It was ~10 minutes of tests running and my latop eventually failed, hence the logic board is being replaced now.
I don't think it is necessary to have the test run if you don't think the failure is occurring though? It seems like it wouldn't be necessary if yours is still working. My laptop's entire screen turned off as a result of the bug, so i knew mine was screwed (given it was the second time it happened). Anyway, i'm sure you can ask for it but I don't think it can predict "if" the error will happen, only tell you if it is present at that time.
Anyone else know anything about the rev 1a/2 boards I was asking about?
Thanks,
Ashish
Since Apple ran their own tests on the previous nVidia GPUs to conclude that there was indeed an issue (despite nVidia assuring them there wasn't) I think its fairly safe to assume Apple has also tested the new ones. Just think of the class action lawsuits that would happen if it Apple and nVidia provided faulty parts after admitting there was a problem. That would be knowingly selling faulty components = bad news for them. No way Apple would ever do this, their reputation is too good for them to risk such a thing. It would be a disaster for them.
I don't have any proof but if I was a betting man I'd go w/ the NEW replacement logic boards are fine. I'm sure nVidia isn't manufacturing GPUs w/ the same solder as before, no way. It doesn't mean they're 100% free from failure but a few blown GPUs don't mean they're all ticking timebombs either.
It's not certain that Apple ran own tests at all. If they just experienced higher failure rates, that also allows the conclusion that there is an issue.
Yes it is certain, Apple publicized this. Its the whole reason they've extended the warranty. At first they went on nVidia's word but when large numbers of GPUs were coming in faulty they began to test to get to the bottom of it.
They said they did an "investigation". They did not say whether they investigated the actual hardware or just their complaints or repair statistics.