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So are all MBP owners with the 8600m GT cards screwed?
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i babied my 1st gen mbp, not a scratch on it. moved with care. video card died in it 3 times before they gave me a unibody.
just run games on it...kill it 3 times...unibody
just run games on it...kill it 3 times...unibody
That's fraud. If you were using it normally and it failed three times, then you would be entitled to it.
But if you purposely cause the chip to fail with the intent of getting a free upgrade, that's fraud.
That's not fraud. Who defines normal use?
Nowhere does it say that someone can't run Furmark 24x7 on a laptop. A non-broken laptop can do that fine.
Better yet, I recommend alternating every hour of Furmark with 10 mins to cool off again. That'll likely break it quicker.
Although you might be right, I doubt that running games on it would be anything else than normal use. If running games would lead to failure then one deserves a replacement even if one normally doesn't game.
I do see where you're coming from, but since it is of purposeful intent, it's fraud.
For Apple to do anything about it, they would need to address individual incriminations of fraud on a case-by-case basis.
So, while it doesn't sound cost effective, they would have to weigh the cost of pursuing individual fraud cases against the cost of giving out free laptops.
I am living in Singapore have been down to the service center once to get my power button replaced it sunk in so yea
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/515067/
the post by AbsenceOfTruth the stripped kernel panic image i am getting that
after going through the forums more i think i will be dropping by tml... and try to be nice... hopefully they will replace it with a non faulty 8600m gpu OR a new gpu that dosent have defects if not.. i guess i will make a big fuss.
Should I take any images of the problems i encounter to prove the problem or they will be fine with me just complaining? and how long will the replacement take?
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/515067/
the post by AbsenceOfTruth the stripped kernel panic image i am getting that
after going through the forums more i think i will be dropping by tml... and try to be nice... hopefully they will replace it with a non faulty 8600m gpu OR a new gpu that dosent have defects if not.. i guess i will make a big fuss.
Should I take any images of the problems i encounter to prove the problem or they will be fine with me just complaining? and how long will the replacement take?
Actually, no. Using the product within its design specification, which certainly includes the ability to display 3d graphics, can not be construed as fraud.
It becomes fraud when you purposefully sabotage the system, such as by running it outside of acceptable environmental operating temperatures, or obstructing the fan exhaust.
An extended burn in to see if it's true that one's GPU will fail from normal use is not Fraud. In fact it's the responsible thing to do, a controlled failure is better than a failure when you don't need it. If a manufacturer insists on playing games with it's customers and continuing to release a failure prone product they are reaping what they sow and it is the customers responsibility at that point to make sure they get a non-defective product.
Yah, play a games on a soft pillow and continuously overheat it, thats dishonest. But do hardcore gaming on a normal table w ventilation, cool book, or whatever=not fraud.
not sure how that is cheating. if apple make a notebook that is meant to be used portably and a person uses it on their pillow - how is that not normal usage? a notebook is not used exclusively by people who know everything there is to know about thermals, computer care etc.
if it breaks and you are not doing anything to it like throwing it down, hacking it, replacing cpu etc - stuff that is violating the physical structure of the notebook, apple in all honesty should replace our laptops that they effed up from the first.
mine is still going strong - had some worries at first but we are fine now! hope it does not break before i finish my next job.
i have to second that. i would expect a $2500 to shut itself off before you overheat it. covering up the heat vents would be fraud. using it within the specs (apple themselves give a temperatur range) is ok. if apple doesn't want you to use the notebook for extended time under full load at 80F room temp then they should not write in their specs that you can.
in the old days you would run a computer for 48 hrs straight after you bought it. it was the standard burn in test.
with all the worries about nvidea I caved in and bought apple care ($178 at ebay) for mine. i just hope they cover a failed GPU although I replaced the HD and Ram.
and of course I hope i don't dent it because apple uses that certainly to not have to replace the GPU in case it fails and then the 178 bucks for apple care would be lost on top of the 1499 for the MBP. sucks....
Well, I'm not sure about it. While it's true that the problem with the 8600 probably is overshadowing the genuinity of the new cards, I came across a recent article by the inquirer that wasn't really reassuring: http://www.badzu.net/go.php?id=50426
But of course I hope that unibody mbps owners won't encounter any problem with the graphic card.
This is especially true since it took over a year after the SR MBP w/8600 GPU was released before Apple acknowledged the problem.
I've already had one failure and stopped playing games once they replaced the logic board (felt coerced into buying Applecare but glad I did). Sold my older desktop and bought a Sony Vaio FW290 with ATI 3650 GPU for my games. Now I carry two laptops on my trips. Very annoying.
I'd like to see a couple of years before considering these new systems with the 9600 GPU.
Cheers,
Well, the infamous Inquirer says you're right.
But of course this is Charlie Demerjian speaking, and his beef against Nvidia is well documented. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, but personally I don't believe that this is one of those moments.
So the claim is that the 9600m is mounted with high-lead solder. How outrageous! But actually, not really. High-lead has been in common use in electronics for many many years and we all have perfectly reliable devices which use it. The black and white high-lead bad, eutectic good that lies at the core of this rumour is simply not true.
Production Dates For These Defective Parts
I just cam across this thread.. I purchased the new MacBook Pro that came out last February/March 08... have to go home and see if I have the 8600... is the time frame these defective chips were used. My son bought a new one early fall before the new unibody came out. Which one of us has to be careful?
I just cam across this thread.. I purchased the new MacBook Pro that came out last February/March 08... have to go home and see if I have the 8600... is the time frame these defective chips were used. My son bought a new one early fall before the new unibody came out. Which one of us has to be careful?
Yes, both of your systems would have the nvidia 8600 GPU. Every MBP from the introduction of the Santa Rosa and LED screens has the nvidia 8600 (July 07 I believe). MBPs prior to that had the ATI x1600.
Now some people claim the more current 8600 GPUs are less likely to fail, however, there are many MBP owners who would disagree (some have had multiple logic board replacements).
Cheers,
Dropped by my mac yesterday for repairs already, not the most knowledgeable counter staff
but when i ask, if i were to get my logic board and gpu replaced with a new rev of the similar model, whats the possibility for it to fail again?
The parts are from apple we will have no idea
SHEESH!~
but anyway till date for users that have had their gpu replaced with the 2nd rev, any symptoms showing up?
but when i ask, if i were to get my logic board and gpu replaced with a new rev of the similar model, whats the possibility for it to fail again?
The parts are from apple we will have no idea
SHEESH!~
but anyway till date for users that have had their gpu replaced with the 2nd rev, any symptoms showing up?
It's not fraud if you're using it within spec. Case in point: A MBP or any other computer is designed for you to run under normal operating conditions 24/7. If the warranty states 1 year or 3 years, then whatever, if you're using it normally, then that's fine. If you're running a game 24/7, so be it. Some people WoW all day long.
Ever hear of RAM designed to be overclocked? OCZ recommended me to run my overclocked ram for 36 hours straight at extreme voltages. Why? If you designed a part to run at a spec, people have the right to test things at spec. At my company, we order tools and equipment with specs. We test to spec before we say that the product is satisfactory for acceptance. Well same with MBPs.
This is not fraud. Fraud would be frying your video card by running excess voltage which voids warranty, covering it up and then replacing it with a unibody. THAT's fraud. Running a computer within spec is not fraud. If gaming causes it to fail even if it is intentional gaming, then that's bad. MBPs were designed to game and designed to do heavier video processing. Running 24/7 video apps is not a violation of anything.