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Perhaps they did, but it didn't seem to cost nvidia too much, they are still in all the mac computers. And meanwhile all of us with $3000 MBPs are just waiting for the chips to explode before we get another one put in that will just do the same. Somewhat frustrating even if it isn't Apple's fault directly.


apple has been replacing units more then the cards themselves....and this fiasco has cost nvidia over 200 million so far....probably more now.

apple cannot change the design now....its done so they have to keep with the current design....in my opinion they should replace any machine showing the gpu problem with a unibody machine...but that would cost a fortune, so the buck is passed on to the customer....even though it shouldent be.
 
apple has been replacing units more then the cards themselves....and this fiasco has cost nvidia over 200 million so far....probably more now.

apple cannot change the design now....its done so they have to keep with the current design....in my opinion they should replace any machine showing the gpu problem with a unibody machine...but that would cost a fortune, so the buck is passed on to the customer....even though it shouldent be.

$200 million :eek: expensive mistake.

What do you mean that apple have been "replacing units more than the cards themselves". What units are you referring to?

You seem to know a lot about this issue. Is it generally considered that ALL MBPs with the 8600m GT WILL fail, or is it just some unknown percentage of them?
 
$200 million :eek: expensive mistake.

What do you mean that apple have been "replacing units more than the cards themselves". What units are you referring to?

You seem to know a lot about this issue. Is it generally considered that ALL MBPs with the 8600m GT WILL fail, or is it just some unknown percentage of them?

remember....im just guessing...but i have repaired alot of laptops in my days.

i see failed nvidia chips in alot of laptops notably, Dell , HP , apple.

when it comes to my machines i have to have them repaired by someone else for warranty :(.

i think the nvidia gpus will all fail in the 8000 series mobile lines, 8300, 8400gs , 8600's.


i would not buy a laptop with a 8000 series gpu ever...i would rather use my iphone than stick it out with a 8000 series video card.

they all seem to fail....all of them...sure some will say "well mine has been running for 2 years" but its just a matter of time before premature failure of the chip.

the units im referring to are unibody macbook pro's of equal value. im sure apple has seen this as a more cost friendly way then replacing the gpu in these 3 times, thats a ton of money down the tubes in labour , recycling the parts (mainly having the logic boards gpu reflowed fixes the issues) and shipping,.

im sure apple has paid for this issue also, and is probably not happy with nvidia.
 
Sorry for possibly repeating a post but I'm there are a lot of pages to search through here...

I just (a few hours ago) ordered a MBP 1.8ghz with the 512mb GT video card... and go figure, now I read this thread and multiple articles stating how the gpu is bugged...

Is this a problem with the new Summer 2009 models as well? Why would apple have known about a problem in a gpu for over a year and continue to put it in their newer model laptops instead of upgrading to a different gpu?

Should I cancel my order and wait until there's a newer model laptop to come out? I figured it might be a while seeing as they just released a new one...

ugh


EIDT: nevermind... i see this is 8600gt not 9600gt ;) :eek:
 
i think the nvidia gpus will all fail in the 8000 series mobile lines, 8300, 8400gs , 8600's.
they all seem to fail....all of them...sure some will say "well mine has been running for 2 years" but its just a matter of time before premature failure of the chip.

OK well at least it is good to know if somewhat depressing. I was planning on keeping my MBP for 6 years before replacing it. Seems like that may not happen though. Hopefully I can get at least one repair in before my three years are up though, and then with some luck I might nearly get 6 years.


im sure apple has paid for this issue also, and is probably not happy with nvidia.

I am sure they are. Didn't stop the 9000 series chips going in the unibody line though did it...

It might just be wise to sell this laptop and get a unibody instead.
 
OK well at least it is good to know if somewhat depressing. I was planning on keeping my MBP for 6 years before replacing it. Seems like that may not happen though. Hopefully I can get at least one repair in before my three years are up though, and then with some luck I might nearly get 6 years.




I am sure they are. Didn't stop the 9000 series chips going in the unibody line though did it...

It might just be wise to sell this laptop and get a unibody instead.

apple might have had a deal with nvidia to supple chips already made far before the 8000 series...who knows.

but i think apple is going to seriously consider other sources. i know i would.
 
apple might have had a deal with nvidia to supple chips already made far before the 8000 series...who knows.

but i think apple is going to seriously consider other sources. i know i would.

Isn't this a concern or something they're already considering given the current situation between Intel and NVIDIA? I wouldn't mind an AMD/ATI MacBook Pro seeing how solid ATI's mobile GPU's are compared to NVIDIA. Sure they might run more hot but I'd take one.

(ATI for mobile, NVIDIA for desktop - my opinion)
 
Isn't this a concern or something they're already considering given the current situation between Intel and NVIDIA? I wouldn't mind an AMD/ATI MacBook Pro seeing how solid ATI's mobile GPU's are compared to NVIDIA. Sure they might run more hot but I'd take one.

(ATI for mobile, NVIDIA for desktop - my opinion)

well that new ati integrated chipset performs the same as the 9400m, i dont remember the name...but very good chipset, with arrandale support.
 
How to get it replaced with a new MBP?

So what's the consensus on how many GPU failures (in the same MBP, of course) there have to be before Apple will replace it with a new uMBP? 2? 3? And if they replace it, do they just replace it with an equal model or the closest one in value? In other words, I have a 15" 2.2 GHz worth currently around $900 or so. Would they replace it with another 15" (the $1699 one) or the cheapest 13" ($1199)? I've had mine replaced once, and I really hope it fails again before June 2010 when the 3 years is up. What are the chances Apple would extend to 4 years? Have they ever done anything like that before with a major issue like this?
 
So what's the consensus on how many GPU failures (in the same MBP, of course) there have to be before Apple will replace it with a new uMBP? 2? 3? And if they replace it, do they just replace it with an equal model or the closest one in value? In other words, I have a 15" 2.2 GHz worth currently around $900 or so. Would they replace it with another 15" (the $1699 one) or the cheapest 13" ($1199)? I've had mine replaced once, and I really hope it fails again before June 2010 when the 3 years is up. What are the chances Apple would extend to 4 years? Have they ever done anything like that before with a major issue like this?

From this thread, it seems like 3 is the number but I think it really depends on your interaction with Apple customer support.

The replacement is supposed to be an equivalent model (ie., top end with top end) although you may have to argue with your support person (again).

Finally if you check the Apple website, you will see that they are leaving it open to further extensions as necessary.

Hope this helps.
 
Woke up this morning, MacBookPro was dead...


What's got to be the most expensive laptop of 2008 that didn't have gold plating or diamonds stuck on it has been nothing but trouble running 3D from the start and now it's died.

I thought the screen would just die and I would still be able to network to the hard drive but I can't even start it. Hold down the power button and it makes start up noises for about 2 seconds and then dies with a click, Is this standard? Or is this a a whole new hardware fault as well as the graphics card?

Apple Store Regent Street in central London has a 25 DAY waiting list to see a Genius.

This is my favourite pre death graphics weirdness brought to us from Nvidea. Somehow the texture on my model has got mixed in with an attractive montage of my desktop and open windows. This happened in two separate programs at the same time.
 

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Woke up this morning, MacBookPro was dead...


What's got to be the most expensive laptop of 2008 that didn't have gold plating or diamonds stuck on it has been nothing but trouble running 3D from the start and now it's died.

I thought the screen would just die and I would still be able to network to the hard drive but I can't even start it. Hold down the power button and it makes start up noises for about 2 seconds and then dies with a click, Is this standard? Or is this a a whole new hardware fault as well as the graphics card?

Apple Store Regent Street in central London has a 25 DAY waiting list to see a Genius.

This is my favourite pre death graphics weirdness brought to us from Nvidea. Somehow the texture on my model has got mixed in with an attractive montage of my desktop and open windows. This happened in two separate programs at the same time.


UGHH..this makes me mad!!:mad:

I love apple, but stuff like this..

I mean you spend all that freaking money and the $)&&)$ graphics card craps out... and now you have wait months to get it back working?!

They should give you a whole new computer!!! that has a NO problems from the factory..
 
Woke up this morning, MacBookPro was dead...


What's got to be the most expensive laptop of 2008 that didn't have gold plating or diamonds stuck on it has been nothing but trouble running 3D from the start and now it's died.

I thought the screen would just die and I would still be able to network to the hard drive but I can't even start it. Hold down the power button and it makes start up noises for about 2 seconds and then dies with a click, Is this standard? Or is this a a whole new hardware fault as well as the graphics card?

Apple Store Regent Street in central London has a 25 DAY waiting list to see a Genius.

This is my favourite pre death graphics weirdness brought to us from Nvidea. Somehow the texture on my model has got mixed in with an attractive montage of my desktop and open windows. This happened in two separate programs at the same time.

That really stinks dude :(

If the wait is that long, call up AppleCare and they'll send you a box. Better yet, call Customer Relations and see if you can get a replacement.
 
That really stinks dude :(

If the wait is that long, call up AppleCare and they'll send you a box. Better yet, call Customer Relations and see if you can get a replacement.

has anyone been able to get a new replacement?
 
I guess this NVidia failure is the reason why the hardware acceleration of H.264 videos in Snow Leopard is only for 9600s GPUs despite the 8600 has also has video accelerator in the chip. Apple doesn't want to speed up the failures of the 8600s using them for H.264 decoding. Our MBPs with 8600s are crippled lemons.
 
UGHH..this makes me mad!!:mad:

They should give you a whole new computer!!! that has a NO problems from the factory..

I couldn't agree more but I don't they've got any. I was round at my neighbours house retrieving data for a crucial job application from my Time Machine back up on his old Imac and was insanely jealous of his ATI Radeon card. That worked.
I went to the AppleStore to look at the new machines, (kind of pointless as you can't get near them for all the kids dicking about on Facebook. Someday Apple should open a store for people who want to buy computers) I was even thinking of trying to trade for an Imac if it would just actually work, but they all have Nvidea cards in. Also the new MacBook Pros have beautiful bodies but terrible screens. That hi res makes everything so small I get instant eye strain. And you have to pay extra for a matt screen which looked a bit dim from what I could see over the shoulders of the Facebook kids.
 
That really stinks dude :(

If the wait is that long, call up AppleCare and they'll send you a box. Better yet, call Customer Relations and see if you can get a replacement.

Not in the UK they don't. They insist that you have to take it to an Apple Store to see a Genius. Then they explain you have to book online to see a genius. Then you go online and find you can only book four days ahead and all the bookings are taken. Then you phone Customer Services again and they tell you the Apple Store in Central London has a 25 day wait. However, they did make me an appointment further out of town for Monday.

They don't tell you when you buy Apple Care here but you still have to take it in to an Apple Store even after paying £300 UK ($486 US Dollars) for MacBook Pro Apple Care. Towers they'll come for, and Applecare is cheaper, but laptops you have to lug.
It's not like we have lives to go to or anything.
 
I guess this NVidia failure is the reason why the hardware acceleration of H.264 videos in Snow Leopard is only for 9600s GPUs despite the 8600 has also has video accelerator in the chip. Apple doesn't want to speed up the failures of the 8600s using them for H.264 decoding. Our MBPs with 8600s are crippled lemons.

Oh really? I didn't know that. That's interesting. Thanks.
 
Not in the UK they don't. They insist that you have to take it to an Apple Store to see a Genius. Then they explain you have to book online to see a genius. Then you go online and find you can only book four days ahead and all the bookings are taken. Then you phone Customer Services again and they tell you the Apple Store in Central London has a 25 day wait. However, they did make me an appointment further out of town for Monday.

They don't tell you when you buy Apple Care here but you still have to take it in to an Apple Store even after paying £300 UK ($486 US Dollars) for MacBook Pro Apple Care. Towers they'll come for, and Applecare is cheaper, but laptops you have to lug.
It's not like we have lives to go to or anything.

Try again calling Applecare. Im in UK and my friend sent away his MBP for repair under applecare, without any problems. You do not need to go to an apple store, if they told you that, they are misinformed.
 
Try again calling Applecare. Im in UK and my friend sent away his MBP for repair under applecare, without any problems. You do not need to go to an apple store, if they told you that, they are misinformed.

Thanks. I don't have Apple Care. One of the reasons I didn't buy it as I found out it didn't cover pick up of the laptop and I would have to take it to a store anyway. Maybe your friend contacted them within a month or so of purchase, in which case they will send a box for it, or maybe he lives somewhere far away from an Apple Store. Either way I contacted Apple several times and if I'm misinformed then I'm consistently misinformed. I've got an appointment with a store on the outskirts of town on Monday.

I'm pretty underwhelmed with UK tech support to be honest. But then I'm seriously underwhelmed to be needing it.
 
Mine seems to still be running strong, it's a year and 2 months old. I don't do that much intensive stuff on it but when I do I use SMC to keep the GPU Diode temp well below 70 degrees. However my friend plays WOW all the same with SMC but that isn't enough to keep the temps down. He reaches 80 sometimes and his is the same age. Still going strong! Maybe they all aren't affected :S
 
Took mine in to an Apple store today. It's the logic board apparently that has gone. So I have a defective and failing graphics card and a failed logic board. It is a few months out of the one year warranty.

I'm still arguing with Apple over what is to be done about it.
 
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