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So how do you justify to your self stealing?
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The US government also doesn't take kindly for people taking laws into their own hands.
Point is - petition, vote with your wallet, etc - but tethering it taking the matter into your own hands. That's why (for one one reason) your analogy is terrible.
And again - stop using analogies that are offensive. Don't compare civil rights with scamming free data. It's insulting. And no - I don't care how you justify THAT - it's not an appropriate "argument"
Again, it is not important whether AT&T is justified in structuring their plans the way they do. By agreeing to their T&C and purchasing their services, you agree to abide by them. Argue AT&T are a bunch of greedy asshats all you like. Post record profits and link them directly to overcharging for data plans, and overstating the strain on their network to your heart's content. It is not relevant. Breaking the T&C is breaking the T&C.
Yes, you can, if the agreement includes a caveat that the unlimited data is only for use on your phone.
That is absolute bologna. Are you really saying that just because you sign a contract, you don't have to abide by it? If you want to challenge the T&C, take it to a court of law. Point to where it's illegal. Get a judge to agree with you. Until then, you must abide by the contract. Period.
This is certainly relevant to whether it's worth the risk if you don't CARE about the implications of breaking your contract, but it doesn't really matter in the question of whether it's wrong to do so.
Although analogies are bad I would like to say one anyway:
Someone goes to a chinese buffet pays $10 and he can eat as much as he want. That doesn't mean that even if he is full and he paid that he can take more food to take away for free.
The buffet place know an avarage how much a person could eat and they think that for that average $10 is fair.
Now AT&T knows what average an iPhone would use for browsing and such and makes a tariff based on it. Using MyFi and thetering leads to a different quantity of data that is not considered by AT&T. You are taking away.
Someone goes to a chinese buffet pays $10 and he can eat as much as he want. That doesn't mean that even if he is full and he paid that he can take more food to take away for free.
The buffet place know an avarage how much a person could eat and they think that for that average $10 is fair.
Now AT&T knows what average an iPhone would use for browsing and such and makes a tariff based on it. Using MyFi and thetering leads to a different quantity of data that is not considered by AT&T. You are taking away.
Yes, it absolutely does matter that people agreed to the service, because in this country, when you sign a contract, until you can demonstrate in a court that it violates the law, you are bound by it. You continually throw out red herrings, yet you don't actually show where AT&T is violating any law with their T&C, and you certainly don't show any court cases where a judge has agreed with you. The cases you mention *have* gone to court. We can point, easily, to the places in the law where it is illegal to discriminate based on race or religion. You have done no such thing where the T&C are concerned.
By what standard? You've only shown why you consider them to be wrong. You've done nothing of the sort in any meaningful legal sense.
It is widely understood by most sociologists that the "Millennial Generation," so well represented by those in this thread, are extremely self-centered, narcissistic and selfish. They only want what is in their own best interest and are facing a future where most will end up with failed marriages due to their inability to put anyone else's needs before their own, let alone on par with their own. They are bereft of understanding the concept of "for the common good."
Oddly enough, these same people who work so hard to have it all at the expense of us poor suckers who pay for their toys will scream bloody murder if you try and throw a plastic bottle in their trash cans.
Well played Gen Y's....you'll have the future you so justly deserve.
Oddly enough, these same people who work so hard to have it all at the expense of us poor suckers who pay for their toys will scream bloody murder if you try and throw a plastic bottle in their trash cans.
Well played Gen Y's....you'll have the future you so justly deserve.
I think you and I should stop posting in this thread. The people who want to justify their behavior will do so at ALL costs without any regard to the truth. At this point it's beating a dead horse.
These stealing cable analogies are completely off-base.
It's more like your cable co brings you a box AND TV than says 'You can only use our service on this TV, if you want to use our service on your own big 106" projection screen, it's extra' And then everyone would say 'WTF, it's the exact same service on both screens, so it costs you the exact amount of money, so why are you charging me extra?"
It's more like your cable co brings you a box AND TV than says 'You can only use our service on this TV, if you want to use our service on your own big 106" projection screen, it's extra' And then everyone would say 'WTF, it's the exact same service on both screens, so it costs you the exact amount of money, so why are you charging me extra?"
Okay...so your a realist!
Explain this: I pay $25 per month for 2gb of data usage. If I go over my 2gb, I am AUTOMATICALLY charged $25 more and given 2 more gb of data to use. WHY should I also pay $20 a month to receive ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the additional $20??? I gain no extra gb's, no faster speed, no better service...NOTHING
I am getting sick and tired of you and the OP trying to say AT@T is right when they are STEALING MONEY FROM THEIR CUSTOMERS!!!
Get off your high horse and quit making yourself look like your such a goody-two-shoes!!! Everyone here is human and we all have our values, traits, characteristics, and beliefs. We live our lives by these and it is NOT FOR YOU or ANYONE else to say if we are wrong or right.
If AT&T catches me and prosecutes me and I am found GUILTY, then I am wrong and a criminal. If I do NOT use more then what I pay for...I am NOT a criminal, I paid for what I used and I wasnt ripped off and abused by a greedy bunch of capitalists.
If you and others like you do not stand up for something that is wrong, then this country and society will continue to be abused and ripped off by greedy corporate executives. We are being ripped off and told to pay for something that gives us NO ADDITIONAL SERVICE or benefits.
I am NOT a criminal, have never been a criminal, and do not tolerate criminal activities...THIS IS NOT A CRIME!!! I pay for what I use and then some. I think AT&T should refund us money for what we don't use...how's that bite your rightous soul??? I have so many roll over minutes that I can never use them, I use an average of 1.1 gb per month...what about the other .9 that never gets used...I want my money back.
Get OFF your high horse and come back down to earth...we have justified our reasons and why we do it and won't be ripped off by AT&T anymore!!!
Okay...so your a realist!
Explain this: I pay $25 per month for 2gb of data usage. If I go over my 2gb, I am AUTOMATICALLY charged $25 more and given 2 more gb of data to use. WHY should I also pay $20 a month to receive ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the additional $20??? I gain no extra gb's, no faster speed, no better service...NOTHING
I am getting sick and tired of you and the OP trying to say AT@T is right when they are STEALING MONEY FROM THEIR CUSTOMERS!!!
Get off your high horse and quit making yourself look like your such a goody-two-shoes!!! Everyone here is human and we all have our values, traits, characteristics, and beliefs. We live our lives by these and it is NOT FOR YOU or ANYONE else to say if we are wrong or right.
If AT&T catches me and prosecutes me and I am found GUILTY, then I am wrong and a criminal. If I do NOT use more then what I pay for...I am NOT a criminal, I paid for what I used and I wasnt ripped off and abused by a greedy bunch of capitalists.
If you and others like you do not stand up for something that is wrong, then this country and society will continue to be abused and ripped off by greedy corporate executives. We are being ripped off and told to pay for something that gives us NO ADDITIONAL SERVICE or benefits.
I am NOT a criminal, have never been a criminal, and do not tolerate criminal activities...THIS IS NOT A CRIME!!! I pay for what I use and then some. I think AT&T should refund us money for what we don't use...how's that bite your rightous soul??? I have so many roll over minutes that I can never use them, I use an average of 1.1 gb per month...what about the other .9 that never gets used...I want my money back.
Get OFF your high horse and come back down to earth...we have justified our reasons and why we do it and won't be ripped off by AT&T anymore!!!
Breath. For one I didn't say you were a criminal.
Second - scroll up (do people not read entire threads because they have that short attention spans?) - I wrote that I don't think ATT should be prohibiting or charging extra for tethering for METERED plans. My arguments throughout this thread is regarding UNLIMITED plans.
PS - the rest of your rant makes no sense. You're trying to suggest that although you accepted terms for your plan, you are entitled to a refund? Um no.
You receive the ability to tether legally, as opposed to stealing it, for the additional $20. That isn't nothing to you, obviously, nor to the other people who pay for tethering.
I am getting sick and tired of you and the OP trying to say AT@T is right when they are STEALING MONEY FROM THEIR CUSTOMERS!!!
AT&T is not stealing. You don't have to pay. You don't have to use their services at all, in fact. They have competitors. You could purchase services from one of them. You could move to another country. You could not purchase cell phone service from anyone at all. You are not entitled to the services you want at the price you want to pay for them, no matter how much you wish to be.
That is ridiculous. In the first place, you judge AT&T, repeatedly and viciously, so you evidently don't really believe that. I think what you mean to say is, "I don't want anyone to judge ME."
We have laws, and regulations, and we judge our citizens by them. That's what they are for. Argue against them if you like, try to change them if you can, but they're in place for a reason.
So a murderer who doesn't get caught is not a murderer? It's only wrong if they are found out, prosecuted, and put in prison? Certainly, we cannot regard you as a true criminal until you've been convicted, but you have admitted to your crime, proudly and repeatedly in this thread.
You continue to complain as loudly as you possibly can about AT&T being unfair, yet you have willingly agreed to pay them for the services they have agreed to offer you. I say again, if you do not like what they're offering you, then you should not be agreeing to their terms and paying for them.
Remember when you said this?
I guess you were just kidding then, right?
Even if you were right that AT&T is just greedy and evil and all those things, stealing from them and having a tantrum about it here isn't really an effective means for change. Vote with your wallet. Stop buying their products. Run for office. Lobby for a change in wireless contract standards. Actually get out there and do something!
No? Oh, right. Activism is harder than just behaving as if you only have to obey the laws you like, and pretending the rest don't exist.
No matter how much you object to AT&T's terms, it does not matter until you can show how they're illegal, and get your case vindicated in the courts. Until then, by breaking your contract, you are violating the law, regardless of your pleading otherwise.
Perhaps you are right, but I do so love a good basketful of red herring now and again.
Last time I checked the data is going through the iPhone, it doesn't magically skip over the iPhone.
Tethering to menus a means to view the same information that I can view on my iPhone on a computer screen. Same data whether it be video or text.
I have an unlimited plan att doesn't offer me tethering.
Last I checked if you have the 2GB plan you pay extra for tethering, you pay extra for a connection without any extra data allowance.
That's an expensive privilege every month to run a script.
Its just as bad as charter charging me twice for the same channel (lo def and hi def) when I only want the hi def channel.
I am starting to feel as if I am cheating att out of something.
But then again, if you don't use the data you paid for you are ok just letting it go.
Take a look at how much data you use for text messaging, then look at how much you pay for that data.
I can live with myself very comfortably tethering on my jb tether abled iPhone.
No I am not!!! I have read every post on every page and YOU and the OP are calling us criminals and you keep using the words related to "THEFT" and "CRIMINAL" I am neither and am tired of being accused as such...you both are offending me with your righteousness.
I PAY for WHAT I USE...this is why I "voluntarily" GAVE UP my $30 a month "unlimited" service. I freely use MyWi WHEN and IF I need it and if I go over 2GB of data usage then I have to pay $25 more to get 2GB more of data usage. I should NOT and WILL NOT pay $20 a month MORE when I gain no additional anything!!! This DOES NOT make me a thief or a criminal. This makes me an American that is tired of being abused by greedy corporate executives that feed like vampires on American society and looks for softies like you to support their rip off schemes.
The rest of my "rant" was because of your righteous attitude then maybe I should be righteous and have my money refunded for what I don't use and then I would pay the extra $20 a month for a non-existent benefit, because I know I would get it back. In other words, I'm not ranting but getting pissed off at the fact that you and the OP will not listen to or accept Anyone's explanation at all. So, what is the purpose of this thread...it is utterly useless and meaningless as it will accomplish nothing, help no one and serve only to antagonize users of both sides.
Clearly, you don't. You aren't paying for your tethering.
Frame it any way you want. It still doesn't matter what you think of the company, or its pricing structure. You signed the terms. You're breaking them. I'm sorry if you don't feel comfortable with that, but it's the truth.
You should take a break from this thread. You sound really heated up. And perhaps you did read every thread. But apparently you lack reading comprehension on the most basic level - or you are so wrapped up in your own justifications you aren't understanding what people are ACTUALLY posting. I won't pretend to know which one of those two scenarios is the case. All I know is - you haven't read all my posts as evident from your latest rant.
have a great weekend....
NOPE...I am totally fine, obviously I have already tried to shut this pointless thread down since it is so insulting to honest Americans like myself. We even have people bringing race into this disaster. I am done, there is nothing more I can say to others that only see "the other side" If I say what I really feel then I will not be able to post for awhile, so I am finished with this dead subject.
On that we agree on - the analogies that are using civil rights violations are incredulous.
I've been following this thread for a bit and all I can say is that legally right does not equal morally right. To me, tethering (while I don't use it) has no guilt attached to it. I agree that tethering with mywi is not legally right, but I don't believe it to be morally wrong. OP and others ask me to justify my use of tethering apps and I respond by saying I don't need to justify anything to myself or others. People are going to respond by saying psychopaths don't believe murder is wrong but I really don't care. I believe that I am a morally upright citizen and unless I see AT&T crashing because of illegal tethering I shall say carry onwards my brothers!
You really don’t have a choice if you live in the US. Yes, you can jailbreak, then unlock, but at what cost? If something happens to your phone you either have to lose your unlock (most likely permanently due to software updates) or you have to stick yourself with a problematic phone.
I agree with you, but against AT&T’s ToS and against the Law aren’t the same thing.
Perhaps they've spent too much time watching Glenn Beck compare the President to Hitler for using words like "empathy."
The crucial thing you're ignoring here is this: you are not entitled to owning an iPhone. It's a privilege, and that privilege comes at a certain cost. Either you're willing to pay it, or you aren't.
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