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Well, we know for sure that an announcement is probably dropping today -- at the latest, tomorrow.

The bad news is that it's for the Mac Pro.

The potential good news is that it may also be for the MBP

Stay tuned around NOON - 1PM EST

Then point me to that announcement please. “For sure maybe” - LOL.
 
I do! I have to replace a MBP through insurance and don't want a crappy 2016-2019 butterfly keyboard.

I switched to W10 thx to Apple's poor design choices, piss poor quality and endless excuses, as have many others. At this point in time Apple needs to deliver something spectacular at a reasonable price point to regain that market.

Professional's need solid solutions and the MBP isn't one of them unless your chained to macOS, good luck as of recent years you'll be needing it...

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At this point who cares unless Apple does something different and actually delivers, doesn't excessively throttle and require endless warranty extensions...
I think Apple finally got the throttling and heat issue under control with the 2019 machine and is probably the best MBP from the 2016 design family. Yet we still have the butterfly keyboard and the T2 chip

I do! I have to replace a MBP through insurance and don't want a crappy 2016-2019 butterfly keyboard.
That's the problem and what happens if you choose to keep the laptop beyond the four years - just consider the early 2016 mac owners, that repair program will be ending for them and they're the ones facing most of the failures. Are they forced to buy another mac to avoid expensive repair bills?

switched to W10 thx to Apple's poor design choices, piss poor quality and endless excuses,
A number of reasons precipitated my departure, first there was the keyboard, to which I was always worried it would fail, but also the T2 (and the instability/crashes it introduced). Now with the T2 Apple's is locking other operating systems from the internal drive, such as linux.

Overall, if I'm going to spend 3 to 4,000 dollars I want a machine that was well built didn't always have repair programs or constants -gates attached to the machine, stain-gate, flex-gate, etc.

As noted many times, I got a machine that exceeded the MBP in every way, not for 4,000 dollars but 2,286, and that's the rub. I'm getting more computer for less, the only downside many people may say, is that its running windows, which is fine by me.
 
I think Apple finally got the throttling and heat issue under control with the 2019 machine and is probably the best MBP from the 2016 design family. Yet we still have the butterfly keyboard and the T2 chip


That's the problem and what happens if you choose to keep the laptop beyond the four years - just consider the early 2016 mac owners, that repair program will be ending for them and they're the ones facing most of the failures. Are they forced to buy another mac to avoid expensive repair bills?


A number of reasons precipitated my departure, first there was the keyboard, to which I was always worried it would fail, but also the T2 (and the instability/crashes it introduced). Now with the T2 Apple's is locking other operating systems from the internal drive, such as linux.

Overall, if I'm going to spend 3 to 4,000 dollars I want a machine that was well built didn't always have repair programs or constants -gates attached to the machine, stain-gate, flex-gate, etc.

As noted many times, I got a machine that exceeded the MBP in every way, not for 4,000 dollars but 2,286, and that's the rub. I'm getting more computer for less, the only downside many people may say, is that its running windows, which is fine by me.

Apple's greed simply exceeds it's reach. If the value existed I'd be responding on the latest MBP, it doesn't and they are fooling nobody who needs to get work done...

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I think Apple finally got the throttling and heat issue under control with the 2019 machine and is probably the best MBP from the 2016 design family. Yet we still have the butterfly keyboard and the T2 chip
2017 15" is very solid too, if you like that keyboard (many do). It's almost half the price now and covered by the 4 year repair program.

Will it be dangerous to own after 4 years? Yes, but the residual value is going to be low anyways, so it's not that big of a deal if some key stops clicking after 4 years. Also, it's not given that your keyboard will fail (in fact, 80% that you will be OK.
 
2017 15" is very solid too, if you like that keyboard (many do). It's almost half the price now and covered by the 4 year repair program.

Will it be dangerous to own after 4 years? Yes, but the residual value is going to be low anyways, so it's not that big of a deal if some key stops clicking after 4 years. Also, it's not given that your keyboard will fail (in fact, 80% that you will be OK.

What's dangerous is to have to waste your time due to piss poor design and the manufacturer persisting on the same "Blind Alley" at the cost of the customer. Way to cancel out your professional audience or maybe that's exactly what Apple wants. Straight up far less probing questions with the Starbucks & Facebook crowd, less need to explain why "it doesn't just work"...

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I switched to W10 thx to Apple's poor design choices, piss poor quality and endless excuses, as have many others. At this point in time Apple needs to deliver something spectacular at a reasonable price point to regain that market.

Professional's need solid solutions and the MBP isn't one of them unless your chained to macOS, good luck as of recent years you'll be needing it...

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On top of that, I have noticed that some Windows machines have significantly improved in quality. So, the gap in quality between Windows and Macs seems to be lower than it was in recent years, making it a tough sell for Apple to offer Macs at these price points.
 
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I think Apple hates me. After waiting as long as I could for them to release the 16 inch MacBook, I gave up and ordered the 15 inch. Then — two days after it ships (arrives next week) — Apple announces the 16 inch.

If I go ahead and return it for the equivalent spec of the 16 inch... I will SAVE £200 (give or take) but by the time the money is refunded, I won’t have time to get the 16 inch model before going on holiday for 2 weeks.

Clearly, Uncle Tim hates me and was waiting for me to give up and order before releasing the new model. 😭.

(Joke, obviously, but I am frustrated.)
 
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