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Indeed, people where frothing at the mouth the past couple of weeks, and if I learned anything buying Macs, its that reality hardly ever meets expectations. People almost always are disappointed with the actual product when its announced when the level of hype/expectation is at a fever pitch level.

Oh yeah this is definitely true.

I'm sure there will be something about the 16" that will be like... sigh
 
Indeed, people where frothing at the mouth the past couple of weeks, and if I learned anything buying Macs, its that reality hardly ever meets expectations. People almost always are disappointed with the actual product when its announced when the level of hype/expectation is at a fever pitch level.
True. It was different back in the 90's and 2000's when so many keynotes were mindblowing.
But today, with access to information, greater competition, and the limits of silicon, people are no longer impressed or surprised. The baseline is much higher.
 
I wouldn't call it a boring update at all, but I guess it depends on what you want. Finally they're going to slim those antiquated, fat bezels which is most welcomed. After working on my dell with the infinity edge display, it is most welcomed. With slimmer bezels the screen area is going to get larger. A 16" screen has never happened before, and should at least partially delight those who reminisce about the old 17" MBP days.

The biggest benefit is going back to the "tried and true" scissor mechanism keyboards. At least I can buy with more confidence. If that keyboard fails after the warranty ends, it's likely going to be too expensive to repair.

The reality is that this is the most boring update to the MacBook range in a while - which isn't necessarily a bad thing. The most hotly debated improvements represent Apple backtracking on things like the escape key (confirmed) scissor keyboard (highly likely) and, speculatively, restoring legacy ports (not holding my breath & 3 years too late) or better cooling/larger battery due to the larger size.
 
A 16" screen has never happened before, and should at least partially delight those who reminisce about the old 17" MBP days.
Those people are never happy 🙄.

What I hope for in my wildest dreams is that they actually have been listening to customers and will take some mad step like allowing user replaceable RAM or SSD 😅
 
Same here, I'd love to see a 16" laptop equipped with a scissor based keyboard

I've already got a 17" laptop equipped with a scissor keyboard.

It would be nice to be able to buy one with an up-to-date CPU and a GPU that worked (and 16" retina is probably an acceptable replacement for the standard-def 17") but that's not what I call "exciting". Also, I'm expecting the new "scissor" keyboard to be more like the current Magic keyboard which, in my opinion, isn't a patch on the original scissor mechanism (the MKII has shorter travel and too-large keys).

I did say that "boring" wasn't necessarily a bad thing. Apple needs a few more "boring" products to fill the gaps in its product line.
 
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I've already got a 17" laptop equipped with a scissor keyboard.

It would be nice to be able to buy one with an up-to-date CPU and a GPU that worked (and 16" retina is probably an acceptable replacement for the standard-def 17") but that's not what I call "exciting". Also, I'm expecting the new "scissor" keyboard to be more like the current Magic keyboard which, in my opinion, isn't a patch on the original scissor mechanism (the MKII has shorter travel and too-large keys).

I did say that "boring" wasn't necessarily a bad thing. Apple needs a few more "boring" products to fill the gaps in its product line.

Only thing I could see them improving upon on "boring" would be a bigger Touch Bar and adding Face ID?

What else could they do? Hyrbid ARM/x86 Pros?
 
Well, we know for sure that an announcement is probably dropping today -- at the latest, tomorrow.

The bad news is that it's for the Mac Pro.

The potential good news is that it may also be for the MBP

Stay tuned around NOON - 1PM EST
Well, it's not happening today and I don't think it will happen tomorrow either. I think Apple's presence is to give attendees hands-on experience with its latest products, including Mac Pro. But I don't think order page is going up anytime this week.

I don't think the order page will go up until it is ready for shipment. iMac Pro's order page went up on on 2nd Thursday of December 2 years ago.

So my guess is December 12, 2019 for the final window for 16-inch MacBook Pro.
 
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Well, it's not happening today and I don't think it will happen tomorrow either. I think Apple's presence is to give attendees hands-on experience with its latest products, including Mac Pro. But I don't think order page is going up anytime this week.

I don't think the order page will go up until it is ready for shipment. iMac Pro's order page went up on on 2nd Thursday of December 2 years ago.

So my guess is December 12, 2019 for the final window for 16-inch MacBook Pro.

Agreed, 2 years ago they showed the iMac Pro at that summit, so they will probably show the Mac Pro, but they didn't release it at the summit, they released it like 6 weeks later. So looks like the writing is on the wall for 2020 unfortunately.
 
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It’s amazing, and honestly a little bit embarrassing, how the most valuable company in the world (at any given time these days) seemingly can’t deliver anything in a timely fashion.

Right now they are busy pushing out iOS updates constantly to try to fix the multitasking that they broke. Just staying at the table stakes level is apparently a challenge for Apple now
 
It’s amazing, and honestly a little bit embarrassing, how the most valuable company in the world (at any given time these days) seemingly can’t deliver anything in a timely fashion.

Right now they are busy pushing out iOS updates constantly to try to fix the multitasking that they broke. Just staying at the table stakes level is apparently a challenge for Apple now

That's a bit of a leap to suggest that Apple is trying to get 16" to market but can't make it happen. :D Probably the more likely scenario is that Apple is working from their own schedule and will release the 16" according to that, not according to the schedule of us nerds. If Apple wanted the 16" out today I suspect it would happen.
 
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It’s amazing, and honestly a little bit embarrassing, how the most valuable company in the world (at any given time these days) seemingly can’t deliver anything in a timely fashion.

Right now they are busy pushing out iOS updates constantly to try to fix the multitasking that they broke. Just staying at the table stakes level is apparently a challenge for Apple now

Hard to say they aren't delivering in a timely fashion when the only thing pointing to a release were leaks. How are they not delivering on a product that they haven't announced?
 
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Only thing I could see them improving upon on "boring" would be a bigger Touch Bar and adding Face ID?

"Boring" is better than changing stuff for the sake of it. x86 laptops and desktops are a mature technology that, partly, just need keeping up to date with incremental improvements in performance.

Face ID would be a bit more non-boring (but hardly new - Windows has had it for years).
Lots of people would prefer no touchbar... "Interesting" might be a combined touch screen/trackpad/stylus pad in place of the trackpad. A dual-screened laptop with no physical keyboard, but an iPad-like touchscreen as the 'base' (+ some amazing feat of haptics so that typing on it didn't suck) might be interesting as in "may you live in interesting times..."
 
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Hard to say they aren't delivering in a timely fashion when the only thing pointing to a release were leaks. How are they not delivering on a product that they haven't announced?

Because we are multiple years past where this problem should’ve been solved with the keyboard.

They aren’t curing cancer here. It is ludicrous that this has been a problem for so long
 
Agreed, 2 years ago they showed the iMac Pro at that summit, so they will probably show the Mac Pro, but they didn't release it at the summit, they released it like 6 weeks later. So looks like the writing is on the wall for 2020 unfortunately.
While I would love to get 16-inch MBP today, March 2020 is looking increasingly likely. By then, Intel might even have 10th gen i9 processor ready.
 
That's a bit of a leap to suggest that Apple is trying to get 16" to market but can't make it happen. :D Probably the more likely scenario is that Apple is working from their own schedule and will release the 16" according to that, not according to the schedule of us nerds. If Apple wanted the 16" out today I suspect it would happen.

One word "AirPower". They even had pictures of it on their site.
 
One word "AirPower". They even had pictures of it on their site.

Sure, that was a product that they abandoned. That's a false equivocation to assume the same issue is present with the 16" though. I'm not saying that Apple would never start and then abandon a product, or they would never not have timing work out how they wanted (look at the history of Intel's chip delivery), but I'm saying that it's a leap to assume that because an unsubstantiated didn't come to fruition it's because Apple can't make it happen.

AirPower wasn't an unsubstantiated rumour, it's really quite a different scenario.

But hey, I could be wrong.
 
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I bet this is somewhat of a soft launch, probably along with the Mac Pro. Looking at the leaks, it's not a major revision, just a slightly larger body and screen, rearranged Touch Bar, and then new scissor key switches, which I don't think they want to make a big deal out of due to ongoing consumer lawsuits. I think they just want to get it out there and eventually people will acknowledge the keyboard is fixed.

Yeah much like their keyboard problems in general they probably won't draw attention to it. A full redesign sure but this just seems like an elite/amended version of their previous model.
 
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While I would love to get 16-inch MBP today, March 2020 is looking increasingly likely. By then, Intel might even have 10th gen i9 processor ready.
10th gen or 10nm? a 10th gen (14nm) i9 is likely to bring very little new to the table, but a 10nm i9 isn't likely for well over a year yet (if at all, as there was the rumour Intel is trying to rush to 7nm).
 
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It’s amazing, and honestly a little bit embarrassing, how the most valuable company in the world (at any given time these days) seemingly can’t deliver anything in a timely fashion.

Right now they are busy pushing out iOS updates constantly to try to fix the multitasking that they broke. Just staying at the table stakes level is apparently a challenge for Apple now

Par for the course these days, too busy milking the margins, working out what else they can slap "Pro" on to hump the price and polishing the excuses "why it just can't"...

Apple should have redesigned the MBP several years back as opposed to forcing garbage on it's customers, equally that would interfere with making money with a disposable product. It's embarrassing at best...

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Par for the course these days, too busy milking the margins, working out what else they can slap "Pro" on to hump the price and polishing the excuses "why it just can't"...

Apple should have redesigned the MBP several years back as opposed to forcing garbage on it's customers, equally that would interfere with making money with a disposable product. It's embarrassing at this point in time...

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Definitely, this should have been the machine for 2019 (alongside a 14" version and updated MBA) launched back in May and got the whole escapade over and in the rearview mirror.
 
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