So many tech savies hate iPad 2 why?

[JForestZ34]

a) Steve Jobs is a horrible man who screws us all every chance he gets

You have to remember, Steve Jobs is a business man.. He's out to make money for HIMSELF first.. When he thinks he can no longer profit from apple, he will jump ship.. He's no different than any other CEO.. They only care enough about the consumer to keep us happy enough to keep buying their products.. Nothing more..


James

 

[i0Nic]

If you're comparing specs of different tablets you're doing it wrong.

 

[Pressure]

You have to remember, Steve Jobs is a business man.. He's out to make money for HIMSELF first.. When he thinks he can no longer profit from apple, he will jump ship.. He's no different than any other CEO.. They only care enough about the consumer to keep us happy enough to keep buying their products.. Nothing more..


James

That's why his yearly salary amounts to a whole buck.

Apple as a whole is in it for more than just cash, although it certainly helps

 

[ReallyBigFeet]

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I think they do it to get under your skin. Because it's thin and easy to upset a person who assigns so much emotional value to a consumer electronics gadget.

Quit caring so much about what others think of your toys perhaps?

 

[michael.lauden]

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I think they do it to get under your skin. Because it's thin and easy to upset a person who assigns so much emotional value to a consumer electronics gadget.

Quit caring so much about what others think of your toys perhaps?

I agree.

'Oh the [insert toy here] increases my productivity 10 fold!'

great for you - your productivity was just increased 10 fold, who cares if someone uses a xoom or a galaxy to increase their producivity 10 fold.

While you may strongly feel that their productivity may be slightly increased by switching to [insert product here] - who cares.

iPads are cool toys go have fun with them, if they were so productive - they wouldn't allow us on forums.macrumors.com

 

[newdeal]

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No point in having a higher res camera because noone is going to facetime and noone is going to use it as a camera anyway. Its a stupid thing to discuss because they are useless. Ram is better at 512, some day it may need more but even 256 wasn't that bad, 512 will be just fine. If they had piled in a bunch of tech that noone really needed it would be way more expensive. iOS is so far ahead of android its not even funny, from what I have heard of 3.0 it sucks and I can say for 100% sure a rooted nook color with android 2.1 is absolutely a waste of silicon, my wife owns one and wow is it nowhere near as good as iOS in any way

 

[slimbek]

That's why experience is Apple's #1 concern and not specs.

This statement wins.

What is the point in amazing hardware specs if a consumer becomes frustrated while trying to use them?

Experience, capability, price.

And if Apple can provide an incredible experience, with capable hardware, and a very pretty price point... (and they do) then they win.

 

[ozred]

Why are people so ignorant? Why do you all ask specs that don't even make sense on tablet, but not willing to pay more money for it?

It's the "Steve Jobs Effect".

He's got his flock brainwashed to want more, more, more!

All the while he's laughing all the way to the bank.

He loves _YOUR_ Money

 

[Shivetya]

Those who I talk with who ding the iPad do so because of the lock down. That seems to be the number one reason. None attack its abilities, only Apple for the lock down.

 

[Macopotamus]

neckbeards like to hate apple, it's the cool thing to do

 

[thedoctor9]

Of course it works less well, because it's Apple, right? Xoom + Honeycomb is marvelous and does everything well. It's the perfect device at the right price point for everyone.

In about 3 months, Xoom Special Edition with Honeycomb 1.2. Thinner, lighter, 2gb ram, 8mp cam rear, 5mp front, etc... Xoom 1 buy 1 get 1 free.
In about 6 months, Xoom 2 with Honeycomb 2 with LTE. Same thickness, lighter, quad core, 2gb ram, 8mp rear cam, 5mp front cam, etc... Xoom 2 buy 1 get 1 free, Xoom 1 LTE upgrade, trash, honeycomb cannot be updated.
In about 9 months, Xoom Pro with Honeycomb 2.1....
Etc...
Etc...

Still with iPad 1, using the hell out of it. Great experience, simple, and something THAT JUST WORKS!!!

To all Apple haters, keep spending for upgrades and help the companies that support android, and help google flood the market.

To everyone who'll be buying the iPad 2, enjoy the beauty of it and definitely worth it for years to come...

 

[peaceActivist]

I work heavily in the tech industry and can tell you it has nothing to do with specs. Sure it surfaces and the comparisons are quickly dropped because like stated earlier, tablets really don't rely heavily on specs unless the OS designates it.

Usability is what favors the iPad. It may not have top of the line specs for the price, but it gets the job done. At the moment, android does have usability but its not as wide spread as people might think. For instance, if you want to share music with your friends from your iPad to their computer or vice versa, you would...sync? lose your data? how does that work? I'm asking, because everytime i want to add music from someone elses library i have to wipe my iDevice. With android, its not so locked, you have many outlets which do similar tasks, like sharing music, files, videos. Thats where the confusion comes in. Many day to day users aren't infatuated with the fact that you can do a task in many different ways, they just want one way to do it and get it done. Power users like having options available to them. Thats pretty definitive but its my opinion of normal users and power users. Normal in the sense that its email, web, and word processing or something.

Another thing is customization. While you now have the options for customization in iOS, it took nearly 2 years for that to be available. Which is fine now because its all ironed out. But back then the only way to customize your device was by jailbreaking it. So initially you're locked to that style.

A lot of uneducated users, typically android users, will pin this stuff on the iPad and apple devices. Not because they absolutely hate apple and don't want to deal with it, but mostly because they've had a history of using the iOS device and just didn't like how it kept everything locked, like myself. Android would be a better choice for them and of coarse they wouldn't look back if it does what they want it to do. Jealousy is human nature, there will always be one person out there that says one thing JUST to get a reaction out of another person, be it out of jealousy or just for pure trolling.

The point I'm trying to make is this: you're an apple user, the "tech savies" already look down to you because they believe apple users aren't educated in hardware or don't know how to do complex tasks (which of coarse is absolutely false). It doesn't help that apple users usually compare xoom 3g 800 dollar item to iPad 16gb WIFI model at 500. I digressed. Anyways, its not always about the specs. Its about real world usability, and sometimes whats right for you may not be right for others.

sorry for the long rant.

 

[JForestZ34]

That's why his yearly salary amounts to a whole buck.

Apple as a whole is in it for more than just cash, although it certainly helps

His salary might be a buck a year but his stock options are impressive...

He must have been working a long time to get the 110th richest man in the world at 8.7 BILLION dollars....

YES HE'S LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK....


JAmes

 

[Meever]

Because iOS is VERY LIMITING to people with real tech needs. There are a lot of tools that could be useful for say (network admins) that apple will not allow that are available when jailbroken however. It's dumb. I will still buy one though probably

And that's why they have the option to buy half finished, perpetually in beta android tablets

How often do you need to get into your tablet's root, or get admin access. Unless you're troubleshooting or doing something you shouldn't be?

Fact of the matter is tablets aren't and will not be computer replacements. (not for a long while anyways) They're more for consumption or light productivity. Your tablet (Android or otherwise) will not be your workhorse.

 

[aughsum]

Because iOS is VERY LIMITING to people with real tech needs. There are a lot of tools that could be useful for say (network admins) that apple will not allow that are available when jailbroken however. It's dumb. I will still buy one though probably

iOS is a playpen - users don't need all of the complications of alternative operating systems. people with real tech needs represent about 5% of the market.

 

[grawk]

iOS is a playpen - users don't need all of the complications of alternative operating systems. people with real tech needs represent about 5% of the market.

You're overestimating by several orders of magnitude.

 

[falsemaria]

palm pilot was more functional

I bought the IPad 2 and truly believe it does the things it wants to do better than everyone else. But when I tried to use it for the things I lug a laptop around for - well forget it. A palm pilot is more useful.

The thing I hate about Apple and it's IPad - it could do so much more and truly be the laptop replacer. Instead I think it's just an OS in a container for everyone else to come up with Apps - that you buy and Apple gets a piece of - to make it truly useful. The Sony Clie' I bought 7 years ago has a better camera and is more useful to me - I'll probably keep using that until the Blackberry Playbook comes out.



I just don't feel like I get my chain yanked by Microsoft and PC's. Although it doesn't do everything as elegantly as Apple - it let's me do EVERYTHING I want to do. Hell - a jump drive is starting to look revolutionary compared to trying to get a file into my my IPad 2. So I don't hate the machine itself - just the ego behind it. Very HAL.

Returning the Ipad.

Oh - and do remember - Steve Jobs did say this would replace the laptop.

 

[grawk]

Wow, that's some hyperbole there. What exactly does palmos 3 do better than ipad? It's certainly not file handling, or content management. The clie is better at fitting in pockets, but really, who cares? Beyond that, it's total BS to say that the old clie is better at anything at all. AT. ALL.

 

[Pipper99]

Wasn't the iPad supposed to be a dismal failure when it was announced last year? Now many wonder what the iPad killer will be.

It amazes me that people get so "personal" about personal computers. The insults are worse than the Ford/Chevy fans of old.

 

[dmaul1114]

Only thing I really wish was that the OS was closer to a PC/Mac os and at least had a straight drag and drop file management system, apps had save as/open menus etc.

But I can live without that for a few years until tech advances that we can get pretty much full computer OS's in tablets in this form factor and with the 10 hour battery life etc. As well as for OSX or windows to develop a fully touch optimized OS etc.

 

[princealfie]

Xoom wins on hackability by far but iPad is good for battery life. Honestly I really dig the Honeycomb 3.0 interface better than that of the iOS 4. App market is killer on iOS and if it weren't for that then I would have gone to Xoom totally.

 

[beret9987]

I'm personally consider myself a tech savvy person but I'm currently making a transition from Android back to iOS(did Windows Mobile in 2005, moved to iOS '07, WebOS in '09 and Android for '10 )

It's not that Android isn't good for me, in fact it works great. I'm a huge google services user so the integration one gets with Google's OS is fantastic. But.. I like battery life. I now spend a fair amount of my time away from the charger(yay all day lecture and labs!) and don't get a chance to plug in personally. I end up running out of battery after being away from the plug for ~8 hours. Just not good enough anymore! With Apple, specs are "important" on some level sure, but I just feel battery life was taken into account when the product was being designed and that just means so much to me with where I am in life right now.

On a side note though, wish iOS had better notifications but I'd rather have my phone on all day getting alert box notifications over having no phone at all

 

[ee4life]

I bought the IPad 2 and truly believe it does the things it wants to do better than everyone else. But when I tried to use it for the things I lug a laptop around for - well forget it. A palm pilot is more useful.

Not trying to be argumentative, but what are you trying to do that is so impossible on the iPad? I understand there are limitations (viewing Flash content, compiling code, etc), but have you actually looked into whether the limitations you perceive actually can't be overcome by the iPad with the proper apps?

The thing I hate about Apple and it's IPad - it could do so much more and truly be the laptop replacer. Instead I think it's just an OS in a container for everyone else to come up with Apps - that you buy and Apple gets a piece of - to make it truly useful. The Sony Clie' I bought 7 years ago has a better camera and is more useful to me - I'll probably keep using that until the Blackberry Playbook comes out.

People either don't realize or conveniently forget that laptops are a core part of Apple's business. Apple doesn't want to just sell you an iPad or a Macbook. They want to sell you an iPad AND a Macbook (or iMac, or Mac Mini, etc). You may not like it, but they're running a business.

As for your puzzling comment about "a container for apps," what OS do you perceive to be so different on a fundamental level? Even command line utilities are basically GUI-less apps. And I think it's generally a good thing when third-parties are generating applications for an OS, because that's a sign of a thriving ecosystem.

As for the Playbook, it looks cool in tech demos, but I'll be surprised if many care about it in a year. Then again, I never expected to see anyone say they care about a Clie in 2011 (no offense).

I just don't feel like I get my chain yanked by Microsoft and PC's. Although it doesn't do everything as elegantly as Apple - it let's me do EVERYTHING I want to do. Hell - a jump drive is starting to look revolutionary compared to trying to get a file into my my IPad 2. So I don't hate the machine itself - just the ego behind it. Very HAL.

Microsoft and PCs? Are you comparing tablet PCs to the iPad? Different markets, friend... Also, consider a service like Dropbox for accessing files, or even one of the various web DAV apps.

Returning the Ipad.

Oh - and do remember - Steve Jobs did say this would replace the laptop.

It's not for everyone I suppose, but if it truly didn't fit your needs it sounds more like a problem with your research of your purchase rather than with the device.

Also, you have taken the second quote out of context. The iPad can serve as a laptop replacement for many tasks, but it is not intended to be the sole computing device for most users.

 

[falsemaria]

maybe someone can help....

An example of the annoyance I'm having with the IPad.

i'm trying very hard to like my IPad 2. Tasks that are so simple in Microsoft Word seem impossible in Pages. There's a simple form I created using tables that I would love to have on my Ipad to then fill out. Imported into pages and it showed up whacked. Tried creating the same table in pages and can't seem to figure out how to make the exact table - some merged, some a dif. cell size, etc. This is so easy in Word. People tell me all the time Apple is easier but I've always been able to make any microsoft program do what I need it to. The apple programs seem so limiting. (i.e. - ITunes hates my Emusic.com downloads - they just randomly disappear)

This is an example of a simple task I'm trying to do on the Ipad and pretty much the main reason I bought it. To have this form to fill out on the go then email and not have to carry a laptop. But two days in and I still can't get it to do this for me - a simple form. And yes i've tried PDFing and Goodreader and several other PDF apps.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Wow. Yeah. Pages isn't exactly like Word. Better return your iPad.