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So pissed off at apple...ridiculous.
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I have the i9 MBP. Initially I was a little peeved about the new dGPU's but in all honesty I'm ok with it. My i9 MBP hasn't had any issues. I'm fine with the performance so far. The new Vega 16/20 dGPU's will be quite the performance increase, but I think they will have the same issues as the 560X due to the limited cooling.
I predict they won't reach their potential, much like the i9, until there is a redesign of the chassis with better cooling. That (hopefully) might happen next year. Plus next year you get even faster i9's and hopefully AMD comes out with mobile 7nm variants of Vega and Navi that will be faster than the Vega 16/20. At least get some mileage out of your current MBP and sell it next year until they get the cooling done right. That's when it's worth it to sell IMHO.
I predict they won't reach their potential, much like the i9, until there is a redesign of the chassis with better cooling. That (hopefully) might happen next year. Plus next year you get even faster i9's and hopefully AMD comes out with mobile 7nm variants of Vega and Navi that will be faster than the Vega 16/20. At least get some mileage out of your current MBP and sell it next year until they get the cooling done right. That's when it's worth it to sell IMHO.
People will be far better off with an eGPU, if they really depended on a GPU heavy workflow they would already have one? I get people's angst, equally it's not like this is a de facto upgrade, it's an additional tier for the BTO option, nor is it going to turn the MBP into a portable workstation or a PC slaying gamer for obvious reason.
All tech outdates the moment is leaves the factory. My primary W10 was also rapidly updated; quad core to hex core, then a new slightly smaller chassis, does it bother me? No, I have the intermediate model, would I benefit from the smaller chassis? Most definitely as I travel frequently internationally and it's a 17.3" the notebook meets the prescribed specification with ease, and that's is fair enough.
This is Apple and this is what Apple does, as do many other tech companies. As I stated previously just be happy that Apple is actually paying the Mac some interest. Being a monopoly Apple has more than amply illustrated that it doesn't need to, that's a point well worth considering...
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You do understand that redesign means for Apple: Thinner.
Thinner means - worse cooling. New Core i9's means: more throttling/more heat.
It does not compute together...
I am genuinely concerned that apart from Core i7, Those Vega GPUs will not reach the maximum potential, because of lackluster cooling and power delivery in the MacBook Pro.
Wait what? I should be happy for receiving a half-done attempt at an update which costs twice as much as competition?
Please. I'd rather they drop Mac completely then continue this charade. There's no excuse for a 5k pro machine that leave the factory with such an oversight such as the fiascos surrounding the 2018 release. really. no excuse.
When it was 13 days i wanted it to fix it. They dragged me over apple phone support for a month and didn't. Now i want my money so i can buy a machine that i can do work with.
I can understand throttling and i can understand quips and quirks, but a pro machine that has "increase audio performance" splattered over its presentation page that can't handle audio without consistent dropouts?
That's another level of stupid.
USB C charging is by far the biggest limiter, Apple may be able to improve the cooling (if it cares to) USB C being a standard is firmly a fixture, even the 8750H can pull 90W under full load (max Turbo) settling to 45W. Thermal and or power throttling is simply inevitable in such a diminutive chassis...
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Well just like me you can choose to continue to support Apple or look elsewhere as Apple certainly isn't going to change for it's customers benefit. My last Mac used professionally will go out the door this year, as I value performance, usability & reliability over what Apple now offers, equally it is, what it is.
Personally I consider it Apple's loss not mine...
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My TB16 dock charges XPS15 with 130W over USB-C. And even the hopelessly broken TB15 still delivered 130W over USB-C back in 2015. Power delivery over USB-C is not a problem, unless you're looking at some monstrosity like your own, that probably requires over 200W
I know the standard calls for 100W max, but apparently Dell was able to work around it, and I'm sure Apple would be more than happy to confine everybody to use only their own power adapters. Thermal issues are the bottleneck, and as such Apple has no need to to design their own scheme outside of USB-C standard.[doublepost=1541465149][/doublepost]
It doesn't really matter which CPU. 560x pulls over just a little over 35W, like 38W and the chassis is still perfectly capable of cooling it with the fans having about 1000rpm headroom left. So if the miracle Vega 12 pulls 35W it won't be limited by the chassis. But I think that's impossible (35W and 60% over 560x outside of fp16 compute). But yeah, add just a little CPU load and the 555x may be faster due to a less than optimal throttling algorithm.
I did say hopefully they would redesign the chassis for better cooling
It's really in Apple's court now. If they want to be serious about courting professionals as they say they do, thinner is just not going to do it. I love the weight, but I prefer the performance and don't mind carrying the performance with me.
My TB16 dock charges XPS15 with 130W over USB-C. And even the hopelessly broken TB15 still delivered 130W over USB-C back in 2015. Power delivery over USB-C is not a problem, unless you're looking at some monstrosity like your own, that probably requires over 200W
Thing about standards, is well they are a standard
If it's charging at 130W then it's no longer USB C it's a proprietary Dell charging protocol employing a USB C connection, nor do I see Apple following such a path anytime soon, or the i9 would already have done so.230W actually, and you'll need an iMac Pro to beat it, maybe Jony can design a nice messenger bag, tad heavy for the carry on mind
I can live with a 17.3" at sub 3Kg, if I wanted a smaller package I'd would have opted the 15.6" model...Q-6
There is a loophole around it where you can still return it within the 14 day period by downloading and signing a form where you refuse to accept the the Apple Warranty.
You have to contact them at
AC_RightofReturn@apple.com
And fill out this form here
https://images.apple.com/legal/docs/SoftwareReturnForm_FF.pdf
https://www.apple.com/legal/sales-support/sales-policies/reseller.html
True, equally that's a third parties prerogative, meanwhile at Apple
same issue different country will either end in no problem or **** you, duplicity at it's very best...Q-6
True, equally that's a third parties prerogative, meanwhile at Apple
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I contacted apple support directly (well have been doing that for the last month) and said that I opened the case while i could still return the macbook (which is true) and that under no circumstance and im accepting service as acceptable solution for my problems that computer had since i bought it.
fwiw, they escalated the case higher up and stopped pushing me to go to service.
Or see that its not charging the battery if the percentage is not 100%. I don't know about MBPs but some people noticed their laptops decreasing in battery while plugged in and under full load. I think gaming laptops are the ones that may have that issue.
There is nothing preventing Apple from rolling a custom power delivery spec over USB-C... the port can definitely handle more then 100Watt. You keep repeating that argument, but the fact is that even stock USB-C supports higher wattages than Magsafe ever did.
The only way to reach the "full potential of the i9" (meaning to run it as a 130Watt desktop CPU) is to put it into a significantly larger chassis. That simply won't happen with Apple. And I start getting tired of pointing out that the i9 on the MBP reaches all its advertised spec: it runs at 4.6Ghz single-core turbo and at or above 2.9Ghz multi-threaded. Yes, a large gaming laptop twice the size and weight will perform 20-30% better. If you are interested in that kind of machine, get a large workstation.
Erm, no. I did remember (but checked nonetheless) and Apple already pulled off similar stunts with the MBPs in 2008 (Early 2008, Late 2008), 2009 (Early 2009, Mid 2009) and 2011 (Early 2011, Late 2011). The situation stabilized since the Retina models were introduced with one update every year, but "buying now" is just that.
I totally agree that one has the right to feel betrayed, though that's how technology works, people...
The White iPhone 4 DID happen, I had one, albeit several months after the initial launch.
MacBook Pros have, despite their name, never been "pro" machines... Look at IBM's (now Lenovo) ThinkPads: they were available with workstation-class components more than ten years ago. MBPs were just a way of distinguishing a more powerful notebook line from the plastic MacBook (iBook) of years ago, and stuck since. They were the first to offer an Aluminum shell on a notebook, while everyone else was using plastic, and that has given Apple a more "premium" feel which they make you pay dearly. And I'm typing this on my 2015 13" rMBP.
No can do. Everyone and their sister knows that Apple has a partnership with AMD (so the "secret" would have been blown through such a hint), and such an announcement would have hurt their initial sales because at least some people who don't breathe roadmaps and upgrades would have possibly delayed their purchase, ultimately hurting Apple's bottom line, and Tim Cook is a Finance guy who will not halt projects out of idealism like Steve did. Unfortunately, I guess it had to be an "all or nothing" policy in this case. I would have been upset myself in your situation I reckon, but it has already happened in the past with Apple.
Leaving aside the upcoming GPU upgrade: if it is such terrible and outdated technology, why did you buy it then?
It seems that the poster expects Apple to announce that they are working on the next iPhone in January.
Imagine this situation: Here are the new MacBook Pros. They're the latest and greatest, except for the next one which is still unfinished and thus unreleased but we'll be launching at some point. Please keep this in mind when dropping $5K for one of our computers.
They'd sell exactly zero.
You should bring in a lawyer and try that route. EU law gives you 14 days' time to reconsider a product purchase, but there is a provision stating that custom-made products are excluded. If you opened a ticket with Apple after 13 days, there is definitely a path to negotiate with Apple I believe, especially if your MBP is faulty as you say.