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Which is why I said: Which means we're back to having a bezel. So what good is a bezel-less design if you have to create a bezel for content which would benefit the most from a bezel-less display?
For a lot of us it's just fine. There are many of us who don't mind adding the bezels back when we think they are necessary. However, that's only when we think bezels are necessary. Bezels arent necessary most of the time and can get in the way. Plus some of us like the immersive nature of the screen even if it has the notch on the side.
 
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There's a notch at the bottom of every MacOS desktop, called the dock.

Not even close to the same thing. I have mine set to auto-hide. I also have might set to the largest size so that the icons have the largest, easiest click targets, which results in it spreading across most of the screen. Even if you don't auto-hide, "maximized" apps don't blend into the dock at all, they are limited by the dock even though there is a tiny bit of space to the left and right of the dock that could be used for something, and if you full screen an app the dock disappears.
 
It is part of the phone, just as the home button and huge top/bottom bezels are part of the iPhone 8. Do you find yourself staring at the top bezel of your current phone? If not, you likely aren't going to notice the notch.

The only time it affects things is if you are watching videos in the "zoomed" mode, which is the wrong mode to watch videos in even if the notch didn't exist (Because a 16:9 video will have its top/bottom chopped off in that mode because the phone is wider than 16:9.)
 
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For a lot of us it's just fine. There are many of us who don't mind adding the bezels back when we think they are necessary. However, that's only when we think bezels are necessary. Bezels are necessary most of the time and can get in the way. Plus some of us like the immersive nature of the screen even if it has the notch on the side.
I fully understand but it appears to be nothing more than a gimmick. As an owner of a GS 7 Edge (and previously a GS 6 Edge) I find these things gimmicky. While they look cool and offer minor advantages (for example the edge screen displays the time so I can look at it while laying on the couch and see what time it is) but result in annoyances which, IMO, outweigh the positives. I've never seen any really good use for the Edge display but the appearance of the phone resulted in Samsung doing away with their non-Edge phones this last time around. I see something similar happening with the notch.
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It is part of the phone, just as the home button and huge top/bottom bezels are part of the iPhone 8. Do you find yourself staring at the top bezel of your current phone? If not, you likely aren't going to notice the notch.

The only time it affects things is if you are watching videos in the "zoomed" mode, which is the wrong mode to watch videos in even if the notch didn't exist (Because a 16:9 video will have its top/bottom chopped off in that mode because the phone is wider than 16:9.)
The difference is the bezel doesn't interfere with full screen content like the notch does. The solution to the notch is that full screen applications, those which would benefit the most from a larger screen, are going to scale up to the bottom of the notch creating a virtual bezel.
 
I fully understand but it appears to be nothing more than a gimmick. As an owner of a GS 7 Edge (and previously a GS 6 Edge) I find these things gimmicky. While they look cool and offer minor advantages (for example the edge screen displays the time so I can look at it while laying on the couch and see what time it is) but result in annoyances which, IMO, outweigh the positives. I've never seen any really good use for the Edge display but the appearance of the phone resulted in Samsung doing away with their non-Edge phones this last time around. I see something similar happening with the notch.
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The difference is the bezel doesn't interfere with full screen content like the notch does. The solution to the notch is that full screen applications, those which would benefit the most from a larger screen, are going to scale up to the bottom of the notch creating a virtual bezel.
That's one way to solve the problem.
 
I've never thought the hardware aspect of the notch is the issue. What they did with the screen makes sense. It's some of the software choices and the design guidelines that I'm questioning. After watching many first look videos, I think the "zoomed" mode makes sense in many situations, especially in augmented reality applications, it is even a good option to have for video/photos (as long as you can toggle). However, in regular apps, especially ones with a white background, the notch sticks out like a soar thumb, and I wish it would've been obscured in those situations.

Apple is not the type of company to make any big changes once they are set on a course, so this is the way it's going to be for a long while. Whereas, for example, the makers of the Essential phone could decide tomorrow that they want to obscure their notch (not saying they are in any way better, just giving an example to contrast with Apple). I know Apple has done things like offer the "reduce motion" option afterwards, but this is more complicated than just disabling animations, so I don't think they will offer an option to address this.

Ultimately, I do think the iPhone X is overall the best iPhone we have right now, and yes, people will get used to Apple's choices or move on to another brand of smartphone or stick with an older model of iPhone. But I do hope they give themselves more flexibility in changing the UI design then I expect them to. The UI/UX needs a lot of refinement anyway, which is to be expected of course.
 
I've never thought the hardware aspect of the notch is the issue. What they did with the screen makes sense. It's some of the software choices and the design guidelines that I'm questioning. After watching many first look videos, I think the "zoomed" mode makes sense in many situations, especially in augmented reality applications, it is even a good option to have for video/photos (as long as you can toggle). However, in regular apps, especially ones with a white background, the notch sticks out like a soar thumb, and I wish it would've been obscured in those situations.

Apple is not the type of company to make any big changes once they are set on a course, so this is the way it's going to be for a long while. Whereas, for example, the makers of the Essential phone could decide tomorrow that they want to obscure their notch (not saying they are in any way better, just giving an example to contrast with Apple). I know Apple has done things like offer the "reduce motion" option afterwards, but this is more complicated than just disabling animations, so I don't think they will offer an option to address this.

Ultimately, I do think the iPhone X is overall the best iPhone we have right now, and yes, people will get used to Apple's choices or move on to another brand of smartphone or stick with an older model of iPhone. But I do hope they give themselves more flexibility in changing the UI design then I expect them to. The UI/UX needs a lot of refinement anyway, which is to be expected of course.
IMO Apple should have made the default the portion of the display excluding the notch. Then provided API's developers could use if they wanted to expand their application display into the notch. As it is now the default is to include the notch and modify applications to exclude it.
 
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I don’t see a difference with having the notch in an unusable section of the screen anyway. It’s on the status bar line of a regular iPhone which isn’t used by apps.

Would you guys have preferred they just black out the entire top? It gives you more usable space for the vast majority of phone operations and is an elegant design choice to hide the static display icons.

The option was to have a thick black bar across the top, or to expose the parts of that 'bar' that can be.

Yep, quoting these three as I agree with the general sentiment. Going to just repost my contribution from another thread:

Since the display area to the side of the notch are OLED, and you get a "free" blackout, and it's addressable via the SDK, all it means is there's a notch *or* a straight horizontal cutoff, via the app design. Since there _had_ to be an area of non-display space to accommodate to the cameras/sensors, it's not like there wasn't going to be some top bezel. Apple just opted to use that space for indicators, provide a little more corner-to-corner symmetry, and create a bit of a brand silhouette.

Having that space available seems like it could be advantageous, vs. committing it to complete non-use[?] And I definitely wouldn't want to more "chin" just to create symmetry.


I think he means he 'couldn't' care less. It's one of those ugly Americanisations of the English language that doesn't make sense.

Grammatical side note: while it's likely it's mostly misuse, there's pretty common agreement in grammar circles that 'could care less' is an effective, more sarcastic/ironic flavor of 'could not care less'. The latter is clearly, all my caring is has been expended (the typical usage), but the former is, "If I really cared, I could put more time into not caring, but I care so little, it's not even worth the effort" :D
 
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That's just it when watching videos you can get rid of the notch by adding extra bezel. Apple gave people the option for a bezel if they want one when watching videos.

On this scenario you’re viewing a photo being put into a frame that’s too big
None of these solutions on the left are better than what apple came up with. The first solution is absolutely tragic. The second one looks strange with all those icons up there. The 3rd one is the best.

As far as the notch interfering with content, it doesn't have to if you don't want it to.

In full 5.8” screen mode the notch interferes.

I guess if you go full screen “you’re holding it wrong”.
 
After watching the iPhone X in review videos, the notch is growing on me. I now find it unique and somewhat attractive on the phone. I don't see what the big deal is.
 
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The notch wouldn't keep me from buying the phone, but the price certainly does. At first I didn't think it was that big of a deal seeing the notch, but the more I look at it the less I like it. But a non issue for me since I'm passing on it anyway. My Iphone 7 is just to rock solid to move on yet and have to fork over that kind of cash.
 
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I don't like bezels.

I think everyone who doesn’t like the notch sees it as an inconsistent bezel. 1/3 of the top bezel is thicker compared th even thickness of the 3 other “bezels”.

And again it’s not a deal breaker but obviously annoying enough to be a topic of discussion.
 
I wouldn't say that it was overblown. Will it prevent the phone from being usable, or even enjoyable? Absolutely not. But every review I've read mentions the notch, and they said that it gets quite noticeable (in the worst way) in landscape mode.

It's there. It is not ideal. You WILL notice it. But will you care? Probably not.
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Fun fact: The Galaxy S8 has a greater screen to body ratio than the iPhone X. And, it's screen size is the same. So, one could argue you're getting less screen with the iPhone X. Just a thought.

Ive said this many times, but people can't get over the minimal top and bottom bezels...the X is a study in bad UX design..that notch destroys any symmetry the phone has...I much prefer how the s8+ and pixel 2 xl handled edge to edge displays..they're symmetric with no notch eyesore cutting into the display...the s9 leaks have samsung eliminating the bottom bezel with only 1 strip up top for the sensors...while aesthetics is subjective..alot of ppl including myself feel that Apple has been passed in terms of hardware design language...the X vs the S8 screen is pretty much an example of this.
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I’ve never had issues with Apples design up until now and have enjoyed every single one of my iPhones. It’s not that great that they offer ‘variety’ as this year has only brought one new design to the range. Unless you are forking out a fortune you aren’t really getting anything particularly new. I think they’ve been lazy this year and too complacent.

I’m sure there is plenty of variety in the Android market but only if you want an Android operating system. It’s not for everyone although I wish it was or I wouldn’t be so disappointed this year.

the pixel 2 xl by all accounts is amazing, and from what i saw Android 8.0 Oreo absolutely flies on it...so much so to the point its more fluid than iOS according to some bloggers.
 
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I think we have to accept that, for at least the first few months, many apps are going to look like cr@p.
 
I think we have to accept that, for at least the first few months, many apps are going to look like cr@p.
No. Many apps have already been updated. Developers also said that Apple has made it very easy to update apps for the X. Two weeks. Maybe three.
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Ive said this many times, but people can't get over the minimal top and bottom bezels...the X is a study in bad UX design..that notch destroys any symmetry the phone has...I much prefer how the s8+ and pixel 2 xl handled edge to edge displays..they're symmetric with no notch eyesore cutting into the display...the s9 leaks have samsung eliminating the bottom bezel with only 1 strip up top for the sensors...while aesthetics is subjective..alot of ppl including myself feel that Apple has been passed in terms of hardware design language...the X vs the S8 screen is pretty much an example of this.
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the pixel 2 xl by all accounts is amazing, and from what i saw Android 8.0 Oreo absolutely flies on it...so much so to the point its more fluid than iOS according to some bloggers.
Minus the horrible display issues they are experiencing...
 
No. Many apps have already been updated. Developers also said that Apple has made it very easy to update apps for the X. Two weeks. Maybe three.
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Minus the horrible display issues they are experiencing...

Yea..for a 1k phone i'm disappointed they chose LG POLED instead of Samsungs AMOLED.
 
Most reviewers have said they got used to the notch and some said they even liked it so I'd say yeah
 
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