so, was notchgate overblown?

I think an iPhone X plus (probably next year) + jailbreak (to force a small bezel on top and bottom in order to create a symmetric display) could work.

So then it will basically look like the other edge to edge Android phones with a nice symmetric display in landscape mode (assuming that the notch is not too thick).

Movies will still be bad probably because of the aspect ratio.
 
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booksbooks said:
A few generations out, iPhone X should:
  • Be without a notch. They will have made the sensors/components transparent and embedded in the screen, or small enough to fit in the small bezel out of sight.
  • Be thinner. The iPhone X is the thickest iPhone that Apple has made in years.
  • Have no protruding camera.
  • Have true wireless charging.
  • Have a faster screen refresh rate.
  • Have stylus input.
  • Have a brighter screen with better viewing angles. After reading the Verge review, looks like the X may not have as good viewing angles as the standard Retina iPhone LCD.
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the stylus can go. I don't mind support for the pencil but I wouldn't include it with the phone.
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AustinIllini said:
Apple had best solve the notch issue for a potential plus model of the iPhone X. Landscape view is all kinds of ugly on the iPhone X
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I wouldn't hold my breathe.
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eyeseeyou said:
From the perspective of having a completely bezeless, true edge to edge display, i agree that having a bezel is not a immersive.

However having 1 edge with a notch out of 4 straight edges is arguably less immersive.
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Its actually surprisingly more immersive than adding bezels.
 
AdonisSMU said:
Its actually surprisingly more immersive than adding bezels.
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I see the bezels as I do a picture frame to a photo. Or I see them as the black wall to a movie theater screen.

I really don’t see how a random notch wouldn’t be distracting from the primary media viewing area.
 
booksbooks said:
A few generations out, iPhone X should:
  • Be without a notch. They will have made the sensors/components transparent and embedded in the screen, or small enough to fit in the small bezel out of sight.
  • Be thinner. The iPhone X is the thickest iPhone that Apple has made in years.
  • Have no protruding camera.
  • Have true wireless charging.
  • Have a faster screen refresh rate.
  • Have stylus input.
  • Have a brighter screen with better viewing angles. After reading the Verge review, looks like the X may not have as good viewing angles as the standard Retina iPhone LCD.
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I agree on the notch, but I’m okay with just a thin line across at the top that curves around at the corners like the LG posted earlier. The bottom could remain as it is currently.

Will Apple ever achieve a non-protruding camera? Do they really want to? I prefer getting an even better camera for low light situations. I’ll see with this iteration, but Apple definitely still has room for improvement with their camera. Maybe they should partner up with one of the big names in the camera business to make some advancements there. I can dream.

Being thinner - I’ll have to see how “fat” it’s gotten.

Wireless charging - I have no complaints there. I haven’t started using it yet.

I know people who own the Note who like their stylus, but I’m not sure if I want to go back to Palm Pilot days. I type much faster than I would write on that small of a screen size. That’s just me.

Hearing about washed out colors and bad viewing angles remind me of when I had Samsung and HTC phones years ago. There were people returning phones multiple times to get a better screen because of such complaints. It doesn’t look like that is the case with the X from all the videos I’ve seen and I would really hope not with these screens being much newer technology. The screens really looked nice, although really reflective in some vids. Again, another reason why I need to see it for myself.
 
Hoosier317 said:
You say that as if you would also expect any reviewer ever to single out praise for a bezel as well. The notch isn’t a feature. It’s a necessary form used to house hardware that supply specific features...which were praised. What the vast majority of reviews said was that you basically forget it is even there and that is exactly what you want.
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IMO it's not the notch that is the issue. It's the ears. Why have them?
 
geoff5093 said:
So you're saying it's an annoyance? Or do you mean you couldn't care less?
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I think he means he 'couldn't' care less. It's one of those ugly Americanisations of the English language that doesn't make sense.

Re: the notch, whether it's a big deal or not depends on how you use your phone. It wouldn't impact me really, but for people who surf the net in landscape mode, it's going to be a hindrance. And most apps will look terrible at first. But give it time, developers will find ways to adapt, and it'll be nothing.
 
iScone said:
I think he means he 'couldn't' care less. It's one of those ugly Americanisations of the English language that doesn't make sense.

Re: the notch, whether it's a big deal or not depends on how you use your phone. It wouldn't impact me really, but for people who surf the net in landscape mode, it's going to be a hindrance. And most apps will look terrible at first. But give it time, developers will find ways to adapt, and it'll be nothing.
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I suspect adapting will be to scale the top of the output to eliminate the notch. IOW creating their own bezel.
 
I actually don't mind the notch. I know that the front-facing camera has to be there somewhere and I really like the way Apple did it. I saw renders of the phone with either full bezel on top or faux software bezel and those look clunky to me.

iphone-x-horn-alternatives.jpg
 
eyeseeyou said:
I see the bezels as I do a picture frame to a photo. Or I see them as the black wall to a movie theater screen.

I really don’t see how a random notch wouldn’t be distracting from the primary media viewing area.
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That's just it when watching videos you can get rid of the notch by adding extra bezel. Apple gave people the option for a bezel if they want one when watching videos.
 
Bagaholic said:
I actually don't mind the notch. I know that the front-facing camera has to be there somewhere and I really like the way Apple did it. I saw renders of the phone with either full bezel on top or faux software bezel and those look clunky to me.

iphone-x-horn-alternatives.jpg
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The problem with this illustration is it only shows the home screen and not how it interferes with content.
 
Bagaholic said:
I actually don't mind the notch. I know that the front-facing camera has to be there somewhere and I really like the way Apple did it. I saw renders of the phone with either full bezel on top or faux software bezel and those look clunky to me.

iphone-x-horn-alternatives.jpg
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None of these solutions on the left are better than what apple came up with. The first solution is absolutely tragic. The second one looks strange with all those icons up there. The 3rd one is the best.

As far as the notch interfering with content, it doesn't have to if you don't want it to.
 
AdonisSMU said:
None of these solutions on the left are better than what apple came up with. The first solution is absolutely tragic. The second one looks strange with all those icons up there. The 3rd one is the best.

As far as the notch interfering with content, it doesn't have to if you don't want it to.
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What is so tragic about having a bezel? This is a serious question. As for not having the notch interfere with content I agree...it doesn't have to. Which means we're back to having a bezel.
 
pl1984 said:
What is so tragic about having a bezel? This is a serious question. As for not having the notch interfere with content I agree...it doesn't have to. Which means we're back to having a bezel.
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Like I said I actually prefer what we have. There is not getting around the notch at least for the foreseeable future. I don't like bezels. As I previously stated its not as immersive an experience. I guess you'll have to see the phone in person a few times to understand where I'm coming from.

If Samsung did the same thing, people would raise holy hell. However, Samsung would be right. While Apple would eventually end up with the larger screen years later.
 
AdonisSMU said:
Like I said I actually prefer what we have. There is not getting around the notch at least for the foreseeable future.
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You like it for the home screen. I have no objection to it on the home screen. It's when you start trying to view full screen content where it becomes an issue. Thus the reason your illustration isn't very effective.
 
pl1984 said:
You like it for the home screen. I have no objection to it on the home screen. It's when you start trying to view full screen content where it becomes an issue. Thus the reason your illustration isn't very effective.
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Full screen content allows you to go back to the bezel for those cases. You say why not have bezels and you can have them for full screen content. Nothing is stopping people from viewing full screen content with a bezel if that's what they wish to do.
 
AdonisSMU said:
full screen content allows you to go back to the bezel for those cases.
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Which is why I said: Which means we're back to having a bezel. So what good is a bezel-less design if you have to create a bezel for content which would benefit the most from a bezel-less display?
 
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