You have summed it up perfectly and I couldn't have said it better myself.
One question is, logistics, how do you manage with two phones in the real world; at work, socialising?
In addition, how do you manage the two number situation?
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You have summed it up perfectly and I couldn't have said it better myself.
One question is, logistics, how do you manage with two phones in the real world; at work, socialising?
In addition, how do you manage the two number situation?
iDrive/Dropbox is an option for certain use-cases but it is not feasible in some circumstances. I use dropbox/onedrive/gdrive on Android too just just like how iphone users use theirs.
I can give examples of quite a number of every day scenarios where having usb/otg/file system/sd-card capabilities make it so much more easier. Well, I guess iphone users just put up with it and make the best out of the workarounds/compromises available to them.
Sure, I'd like to hear your use cases and see how applicable they are to the "average iphone user". Then I'll give you my use cases and we can continue tit-for-tat fashion.
The point is to get away from local storage and use "the cloud"; this is 2017 not 1997.
Sure, I'd like to hear your use cases and see how applicable they are to the "average iphone user". Then I'll give you my use cases and we can continue tit-for-tat fashion.
The point is to get away from local storage and use "the cloud"; this is 2017 not 1997.
The point is cloud is slow (try upload 10-20Gb 4K videos in the phone) and expensive (data & subscription charge). Plus it drains your battery. Usb/otg very efficient when dealing with huge files (esp videos) or adhoc situations.
- You are on (overseas) holidays taking photos/videos and phone storage low - plug in portable drive to phone and move files out. Using iphone you have to bring along your master itunes laptop to sync or incur expensive data charges. Now I dont even bring laptop anymore (just a small ssd drive for storage)
- A few people took videos/photos. Quickly no fuss way to exchange. Plug-in each other phone and copy out files.
- Map my office network share folders to phone. Open/view/copy files directly. No need to carry work laptop moving around the office. (Similarly at home/friend/relative, map share folders and do same)
- (Auto) Selective sync a folder of my dropbox to phone folder. Use the phone file manager and click open file in the phone directly (instead of pulling the files from the cloud everytime).
- Copy movies/series from your private collections to a thumbdrive. View it anywhere by just plugging thumbdrive to phone and play.
- Remote in to your home computers using something kike Team Viewer to exchange files with your home computers.
- Save files from internet directly to phone for re-use/view later (and then discard). No need to do wasted round-trip transfer to dropbox.
- Backup phone directly to SD-Card and restore.
- and some other more specialized use-cases.
I get the impression that people who buy Android phones either don't care about a seemless eco-system (or hand-off type features) because they don't realise what they're missing out on, or pretty much all their services are within Google and so every thing works fine anyway.
I recently stopped using my MacBook Pro as my desktop computer after building a new PC. I've switched my main browser to Google Chrome so all my bookmarks and pages still sync between the PC and my iOS devices, and I've switched to Facebook Messenger so I can still send stuff to my SO from my desktop - where before I might have used iMessage for Mac. Apart from that, my iCloud mail and calendar work very well with Windows 10 so it's really been an easy transition.
I still have my MacBook Pro, purely because it's not really worth anything anymore and I want to be able to test out the new macOS versions as and when. Plus because I simply love macOS and don't want to abandon it entirely.
I recently stopped using my MacBook Pro as my desktop computer after building a new PC. I've switched my main browser to Google Chrome so all my bookmarks and pages still sync between the PC and my iOS devices, and I've switched to Facebook Messenger so I can still send stuff to my SO from my desktop - where before I might have used iMessage for Mac. Apart from that, my iCloud mail and calendar work very well with Windows 10 so it's really been an easy transition.
I still have my MacBook Pro, purely because it's not really worth anything anymore and I want to be able to test out the new macOS versions as and when. Plus because I simply love macOS and don't want to abandon it entirely.
What I've done is basically set up to where all of my phone and text messaging communication just go through my primary number. So right now the iPhone is my primary number. The Galaxy S8 is competing to get that spot. Now, my wife and mom and couple of other people have my secondary number in case I'm in the middle of loading up an .ipsw restore or beta file on my iPhone or something and they need to talk to me; but most people only have the one number. This keeps things simple for group texts and what not. I will call people from my secondary line from time to time due to battery issues on primary or just wanting to test voice quality, etc. and I just tell them it's my work number and that my personal line is dead.
My primary number phone is ALWAYS on me. Most days I can carry both in different pockets at work/on weekend travels and what not; but if I'm going to a wedding or social event or hiking where I don't want the added bulk I take just the primary and leave the other in the car or at the hotel, etc. Thus, I always keep the phone I want on me at all times activated on the primary.
It's not perfect but it works in most scenarios and allows me to get to use both operating systems for their respective benefits. I feel that the main reason the iPhone is on the primary at this point is my family use iPhones so iMessage and FaceTime are used regularly with my kids. Other apps could substitute but the phones are just neck and neck right now so I haven't pulled the trigger on swapping them.
I would have never paid for two lines back a couple of years ago but since they've dropped smartphones to a line fee of only $15.00 a month on my plan its not that much of an additional investment to get to play and have full functionality not he second phone.
Which would you have as a primary at this point? I am so torn I can't make a decision right now haha.
I have a wireless drive that connects to my iphone that I can offload those videos. My wireless drive can connect to other sources using wifi and upload them.
If I'm carrying extra stuff I'll carry my wireless drive and laptop. I can sync photos to either. And with my wireless drive I can move the photos to the cloud.
Airdrop, nothing to plug in, configure or manage or additional hardware required.
Most regulated companies you cannot do this without an MDM. I can do the same exact thing with my MDM. I can open/view/copy. The one use case you left out, is actually doing any real work, like editing a large document, or updating a CAD file. To do real work, one needs a real computer.
Okay, if you autosync.
That's what icloud is for, as well as synching to all your idevices. Keeping low res copies on your devices and high res copies on icloud. Switch a couple of bits on is all that is required. You can create icloud libraries for public viewing.
Well you have me there. Except my router supports a vpn and I can use my laptop to vpn into my home network and actually do real work.
Well you have me there.
No need for additional hardware with icloud.
That don't make a difference to most people and there are workarounds.
The bottom line is for these "use cases" some of them the Apple ecosystem is actually more efficient. Some of them there are equivalent ways to accomplish. One of them you actually can't do on android without additional steps or hardware and that's airdrop.
I'm sure you can figure out more use cases, that most of the public doesn't care about.
You didnt read my previous post properly?
I already said there are workarounds with Iphone to achieve the same things. Everything can have workarounds (keyword here is workarounds). Most of your points relies on some sort of wireless connection + laptop. What if the connection not there? Or very expensive? Or slow? Or not compatible? Or you dont have or not want to carry your laptop around.
I see some iphone fans make big huh hah about how Iphone is better because app/task is faster by fraction of a second. I bet I can do all the above use cases simpler/cheaper and many tens or even hundreds of seconds faster than you can do on your iphone.
Android gives you many functionalities to cater for different situations so you can complete your task in the most efficient way. Yes, iphone UI maybe more consistent/smoother or integrates easier with apple eco-system or app load/ run a little faster BUT in general it is less efficient and takes longer (or more steps) to complete the whole process.
There not workarounds, they are native funcationality.You didnt read my previous post properly?
An SD card is a workaround to airdrop for example.And your points rely on the use of an SD card. What if the SD card gets damaged or failed. We can play what-if games until the cows come home.
The "faster" thing is your entire argument. And now you are moving the goalposts.
And so does IOS/iphone and I've already proved some of these things can be accomplished natively and faster and without additional hardware.
It's also possible to drag photos and videos off an iPhone if to plugged into a PC via a cable for the old fashioned way. Reading this thread over the last 24 hours and it seems some pro Android people don't realise this.I have a wireless drive that connects to my iphone that I can offload those videos. My wireless drive can connect to other sources using wifi and upload them.
If I'm carrying extra stuff I'll carry my wireless drive and laptop. I can sync photos to either. And with my wireless drive I can move the photos to the cloud.
Airdrop, nothing to plug in, configure or manage or additional hardware required.
Most regulated companies you cannot do this without an MDM. I can do the same exact thing with my MDM. I can open/view/copy. The one use case you left out, is actually doing any real work, like editing a large document, or updating a CAD file. To do real work, one needs a real computer.
Okay, if you autosync.
That's what icloud is for, as well as synching to all your idevices. Keeping low res copies on your devices and high res copies on icloud. Switch a couple of bits on is all that is required. You can create icloud libraries for public viewing.
Well you have me there. Except my router supports a vpn and I can use my laptop to vpn into my home network and actually do real work.
Well you have me there.
No need for additional hardware with icloud.
That don't make a difference to most people and there are workarounds.
The bottom line is for these "use cases" some of them the Apple ecosystem is actually more efficient. Some of them there are equivalent ways to accomplish. One of them you actually can't do on android without additional steps or hardware and that's airdrop.
I'm sure you can figure out more use cases, that most of the public doesn't care about.
There not workarounds, they are native funcationality.
And your points rely on the use of an SD card. What if the SD card gets damaged or failed. We can play what-if games until the cows come home.
The "faster" thing is your entire argument. And now you are moving the goalposts.
And so does IOS/iphone and I've already proved some of these things can be accomplished natively and faster and without additional hardware.
not workaround then. a native functionality - which relies on existing (paid) connection/cloud storage , Happy?
Exactly. And to add to those that say(@Radon87000) you can't get your messages on windows, I can download the messages app from the Microsoft app store and sync all of my devices(platform agnostic). Whether I want to or not is another story; however I have the messages app installed on my idevices for other reasons. (on ios 9 I can use it for wifi calling whether my phone is turned on or not)
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It's not about being "happy", it's about information. Correct? We are discussing how to accomplish various tasks across platforms. The nit-picking comes in when a dismissive attitude is taken on how a particular task is accomplished. One can find any stone to throw at any one of these "topics".
So when you said that Iphone is better due to how great apple eco-system is or how simple iMessage is or how iphone can open a game faster or how smoother iphone is or how iphone UI looks better or how Iphone apps are better or how iphone get timely updates etc - are you saying that all those are just insignificant nitpick advantages that iphone have due to the fact that all of them can be accomplished by Android/S8 in one form or another?
You are going down a double-edged sword path.
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Well one set of nit-picking begets another set. Don't you agree? You layed out a set of tasks that iOS can perform better as opposed to android being superior in every regard. Who is going down what path then?So when you said that Iphone is better due to how great apple eco-system is or how simple iMessage is or how iphone can open a game faster or how smoother iphone is or how iphone UI looks better or how Iphone apps are better or how iphone get timely updates etc - are you saying that all those are just insignificant nitpick advantages that iphone have due to the fact that all of them can be accomplished by Android/S8 in one form or another?
You are going down a double-edged sword path.
Now you are putting words in mouth.
Where did I say Android/s8 is superior in every regard?What messaging app? Which one? I am talking of iPhone notifications being mirrored onto Windows
So Android is only superior is some regards then.
Of course. That's my stance all along. Some things are obviously better in IOS like UI aesthetic/smoothness, OS updates, games, Apple eco-system (provided your life revolves around apple products/users). Some are obviously better in Android.
But unlike me, some on the other side are quite irrational that they die die must defend Iphone/IOS to the extend of dismissing (or water down) obvious benefits such as usb/otg, OLED, notification LED, wireless charging, file-system, multi-tasking and customization - just to make Iphone be equal or superior in ALL aspects for ALL users.
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Seems like we're are going back to the pot-kettle thing again. Because there is not objective best, there only is a subjective best. Some may feel "oled" is must-to-die-for-hardware-addition and others may feel the ecosystem integration and ease of doing certain tasks are where it's at. All subjective at best; which is what most rational people believe. It's the tit-for-tats that get in the way of this subjectivity.Of course. That's my stance all along. Some things are obviously better in IOS like UI aesthetic/smoothness, OS updates, games, Apple eco-system (provided your life revolves around apple products/users). Some are obviously better in Android.
But unlike me, some on the other side are quite irrational that they die die must defend Iphone/IOS to the extend of dismissing (or water down) obvious benefits such as usb/otg, OLED, notification LED, wireless charging, file-system, multi-tasking and customization - just to make Iphone be equal or superior in ALL aspects for ALL users.
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No. You can say they don't apply to you or you are happy using the longer path. But it doesnt negate the fact those are beneficial. You are just trying to hide the advantages of Android/S8 under "subjectivity" which is not correct.
You can say subjectively your car is good enough and air travel is unnecessary to you since you never venture out. But I will say to you that it is just so wrong to say that having a car in addition to air travel is not better than having a car only - NO MATTER HOW SUBJECTIVE IT IS.
(you can equate car to functions offer by Iphone and Android/S8. Air-travel is the additional functions like USB etc offer by Android/S8)
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Right, you can say they don't apply to you or you are happy using them, but it doesn't negate the fact they are beneficial, although and this is the point, they are subjectively beneficial. You are trying to hide some functions of android as better as "objective", when I just got done proving:No. You can say they don't apply to you or you are happy using the longer path. But it doesnt negate the fact those are beneficial. You are just trying to hide the advantages of Android/S8 under "subjectivity" which is not correct.
You can say subjectively your car is good enough and air travel is unnecessary to you since you never venture out. But I will say to you that it is just so wrong to say that having a car in addition to air travel is not better than having a car only - NO MATTER HOW SUBJECTIVE IT IS.
(you can equate car to functions offer by Iphone and Android/S8. Air-travel is the additional functions like USB etc offer by Android/S8)
1. some of them have better equivalents in ioS
2. better or easier or faster is subjective on all counts.
No matter how you spin things, you cannot say any one thing or another is objectively better.
You guys are still going lol
You still dont get what I mean. It is not about just you or me. It is about what is normally perceived as reality/fact.
You have a big house and small house. In whatever way you look at it (subjective or otherwise), you can't escape the fact that you can do more with the big house like put extra rooms/gym that you can't do with the small house. Whether or not you need the extras or not is beside the point. It is about the big and small house. Your way of argument is that the small house can be subjectively the same as a big house because the person living in it is a hobbit. That's just more like reality distortion.
You have it wrong. You cannot objectively state something that is opinion based. You can state a fact: 20> 10; 200 dollars is more than 100 dollars. You can't say objectively a big house is better than a small house or a Ferrari is better than a Maserati. It costs more to heat the big house, more maintenance , more taxes. and with these downsides come the subjectiveness of is a bigger house better?You still dont get what I mean. It is not about just you or me. It is about what is normally perceived as reality/fact.
You have a big house and small house. In whatever way you look at it (subjective or otherwise), you can't escape the fact that you can do more with the big house like put extra rooms/gym that you can't do with the small house. Whether or not you need the extras or not is beside the point. It is about the big and small house. Your way of argument is that the small house can be subjectively the same as a big house because the person living in it is a hobbit. That's just more like reality distortion.
So it is about the individual and their perceptions. Those who don't acknowledge that are operating in the reality distortion field of android.
I Tried S8 and S8+ but now i am back on my iPhone 7+. I missed Touch ID, Taptic Engine, Stereo Speaker, Dual Camera, Portrait Mode, the more consistent UI and my Apple Watch
How was the battery life of the S8 compared to the 7 Plus?