Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
I would totally agree with you on these points, if it wasn't for all the other things being reported.

If it was just one, or two of the recent negative articles, it wouldn't be that big of a deal and most people would probably forget about it in a few weeks.

But, with bad news, followed by more bad news, followed by stuff like this, people are going to over react to the individual article because they are looking at everything as a whole.

Based off of recent news, I doubt this will be the last non-positive thing we hear about the new MBP.

Precisely this. Ignoring all the news about year old cpu, 13" rMBP speaker grills being pointless etc etc, how can they forget to enable SIP!?
 
Everyone is going to pile on Apple for this, since that's the cool thing to do on the Internet right now, but this is simply an errant string in this particular build of MacOS causing System Information to misreport the GPU. It in no way affects anything performance wise.

The more interesting takeaway is why Apple isn't shipping the SKL-H 4+4e SKUs when one certainly would have expected them to. Clearly this string being present means that at some point the OS team thought it might be used. So of course everyone will say "margins" or "greed", but the reality is that Intel have entirely failed to deliver 14nm mobile 4+4e. The last HQ Iris Pro part seen in the wild aside from an Intel NUC was in the Haswell era. Hence the last 15-inch MBP used Haswell Refresh.
 
Everyone is going to pile on Apple for this, since that's the cool thing to do on the Internet right now, but this is simply an errant string in this particular build of MacOS causing System Information to misreport the GPU. It in no way affects anything performance wise.

The more interesting takeaway is why Apple isn't shipping the SKL-H 4+4e SKUs when one certainly would have expected them to. Clearly this string being present means that at some point the OS team thought it might be used. So of course everyone will say "margins" or "greed", but the reality is that Intel have entirely failed to deliver 14nm mobile 4+4e. The last HQ Iris Pro part seen in the wild aside from an Intel NUC was in the Haswell era. Hence the last 15-inch MBP used Haswell Refresh.

Apple Apologetic Syndrome is peaking in this post.
 
I hadn't even realized Apple stopped using Iris Pro integrated graphics in the 15-inch model, makes sense since they all use a discrete GPU now - funny tho, you'd think the Iris Pro 580 requires less assembly and it's probably as good as the base Radeon 450.

Me neither. Interesting. I guess that means if you often use the integrated GPU on the 15-inch Pro to conserve power, you may as well get the new 13-inch MacBook Pro instead. That way you'd get better performance with its Intel HD 540/550.

In fact - the 2015 15-inch Pro must outperform the 2016 15-inch on almost every benchmark if you're not using the discrete GPU.

Food for thought!
 
Last edited:
Everyone is going to pile on Apple for this, since that's the cool thing to do on the Internet right now, but this is simply an errant string in this particular build of MacOS causing System Information to misreport the GPU. It in no way affects anything performance wise.

The more interesting takeaway is why Apple isn't shipping the SKL-H 4+4e SKUs when one certainly would have expected them to. Clearly this string being present means that at some point the OS team thought it might be used. So of course everyone will say "margins" or "greed", but the reality is that Intel have entirely failed to deliver 14nm mobile 4+4e. The last HQ Iris Pro part seen in the wild aside from an Intel NUC was in the Haswell era. Hence the last 15-inch MBP used Haswell Refresh.

So what you're suggesting is that Apple probably originally planned on including the 70 series HQ processors, but Intel failed to deliver? This honestly seems quite plausible.
 
So what you're suggesting is that Apple probably originally planned on including the 70 series HQ processors, but Intel failed to deliver? This honestly seems quite plausible.
Why should intel deliver? They have no viable competition to their current chips, why make faster ones, when intel can continue amortizing their development costs and increasing their real profit. (Not all expenses reduce the cash in your bank account but do reduce tax obligations.)
 
  • Like
Reactions: cerberusss
Why should intel deliver? They have no viable competition to their current chips, why make faster ones, when intel can continue amortizing their development costs and increasing their real profit. (Not all expenses reduce the cash in your bank account but do reduce tax obligations.)

Dude you look like Ivey.
 
Everyone is going to pile on Apple for this, since that's the cool thing to do on the Internet right now

I don't make any comments on this forum to be "cool". If Apple was making a product that was worth praise, I am pretty sure there would be lots of positive comments on here.

Yeah, there will be some complaints, but if the products lived up to the Apple products from the past "Hello" events, then most of the comments would be people wanting to buy the product.
 
Stop complaining! It's a little bug that means "money in the Bank" if you sell privately claiming a more powerful graphics card on trade-in for the next gen MBP. Just don't sell your MBP to ifixit. :p
 
well the graphics are inside the CPU, so what CPU is it shipping with? The HD 530 mobile quad CPUs were out in Sept 2015, then the Iris Pro version came out in March 2016 (probably after Apple made the order as Intel likes to screw with them). Maybe this is Apple screwing them back?
 
Theirs so many back and forths about this machine. I mean. They have to be faster than last years MacBook Pro.
 
For the record, Intel only matches the more powerful Iris Pro 580 to Core i5-6350HQ and Core i7-6770/6870/6970HQ mobile processors, none of which Apple chose to use in its latest lineup of notebooks, likely due to power consumption concerns​

Actually, all of the quad-core Core i7 processors have a TDP of 45 watts. So it's probably not a power consumption concern. More likely, it's a concern about Turbo Boost. As seen in the attached Wikipedia screenshot, quad-core mobile Skylake processors with Iris Pro graphics can only boost one core's operating frequency at a time while models with HD Graphics can boost all four cores' operating frequency simultaneously.
 

Attachments

  • IMG_0339.PNG
    IMG_0339.PNG
    278.6 KB · Views: 174
That's really odd that "About This Mac" reports two different chips based on whether you're plugged into power. Wouldn't the back-end of that program just be reading some address off the chip for that? Does anyone know how that works? I'm just estimating from my limited experience in Firmware programming.
 
Last edited:
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.