Not sure about the mobile chips but a reason there aren't any 580 Pro CPUs at retailers is because Intel abandoned socket CPUs with Pro graphics after Broadwell. Pushing customers towards NUCs, Brix, etc.
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Some 15-Inch MacBook Pro Models Misreporting Intel Iris Pro 580 Graphics
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Not sure about the mobile chips but a reason there aren't any 580 Pro CPUs at retailers is because Intel abandoned socket CPUs with Pro graphics after Broadwell. Pushing customers towards NUCs, Brix, etc.
Depends on how System Profiler is referencing the information. If the system actually believes it has a different graphics processor, problems might arise. If it is just a typo on a reference table...no big deal. Still a bit sad that Apple quality control has gone down the drain.
Yep I would have preferred that to a discrete GPU with the annoying graphics switching.
Really hope Tim sends some of his RSUs your way as thanks for your pro-Apple postings.
I'm talking about the HQ notebook parts. The mobile quads went BGA a while back. Intel released a socketed version of Broadwell 4+3e because the chips they did manage to produce were so leaky they couldn't be used for mobile applications. It was the only way they could sell them, and a lot of them ended up in the 21.5-inch iMacs.
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Security features disabled on some models, mis-reported graphics cards, GPU problems, incompatibility with Apple's own MDP adapters, incompatibility with certain TB3 docking stations, to go along with similarly fading quality across all of their product lines. Whether an XPS has issues or not has nothing to do with my point, which is the combination of Apple's quality along with feature decisions that people aren't happy with are why you see the comments in these threads. But as a long time poster, I also understand that some will not tolerate any post not singing the praises of all things Apple.
no problems! I want the 13"! 
(without the touch bar)
I do not understand, why should I pay $300 more to test their new "product" (the touch bar), that will distract me and I'll be unable to do my work? I think they should pay me to test the new "extra".
Just give me the base 13", but the dark one ! It's time for a change...
(without the touch bar)
I do not understand, why should I pay $300 more to test their new "product" (the touch bar), that will distract me and I'll be unable to do my work? I think they should pay me to test the new "extra".
Just give me the base 13", but the dark one ! It's time for a change...
What a precious little ad hominem there!
If the same thing happened to Microsoft, google, Samsung, etc, and I hung out on their forums, I'd be taking the same position if someone were to whine about something that's essentially mice nuts. Something that will quickly be fixed on the next software update.
It has nothing to do with Apple, rather it's about the reality of insignificant software bugs slipping through on newly released products. Let me know when you find that perfect tech device with an OS that has zero software bugs that are insignificant.
In the mean time, on planet Earth, I'll put my energy and concern towards issues that are much more significant, which have real impact.
OK, SIP being disabled is legit. So 3 issues, one of which is OS specific, although the other two may well be early driver issues.
What MDP adapter issue (actual question, wasn't aware of that one)?
I covered the Thunderbolt 3 device compatibility issue in my last post—nothing to do with Apple.
So "similarly fading quality across all of their product lines" would be based on the premise that Apple's quality is in fact fading. A rational analysis of their position indicates that they may be doing the best they can given the issues created by their component suppliers. I will say Apple is doing an outstanding job of not throwing their suppliers under the bus considering all the flack they're taking at their expense.
I think this is exactly correct.
But it is one more piece of negative news on the new MBPs, which don't need any more negative reactions, and is a further indicator of Apple's QA slipping.
I have seen screenshots where both the AMD 460 and the Intel 530 are both listed for Graphics because there are two processors on board. However, on my 15" I do see the 580 listed (while plugged in) but not the stock AMD 455. A related minor bug?
If your car intermittently reported that it had 8 cylinders instead of 6 would you consider it a non-issue? Not saying this is a serious thing but having a computer misreport what hardware it has inside is certainly worthy of at least a mention/article.
Sounds more like a bug than something intentional. Reminds me of about 10 years ago when Apple was first moving to 'N' Wifi. They included 'n' hardware, but throttled & advertised it to 'G' speeds. You had to pay something like $4.99 to enable the full 'N' functionality. Something with the Sarbanes -Oxley act.
Can you please list all the articles your talking about? I follow this stuff fairly closely and haven't seen much, other than peoples options on how things should be, but not bugs or defects.
well, a minor bug (if any) not worth any buzz...
look at these screenshots of my 2015 rMBP:
but true, they could have adapted the overview to include both GPUs
(but honestly there are much more important tasks to be tackled, right?)
look at these screenshots of my 2015 rMBP:
but true, they could have adapted the overview to include both GPUs
(but honestly there are much more important tasks to be tackled, right?)
Since Intel has not announced Kaby Lake Iris Pro chips, I'm guessing the following happened: Apple planned to release the 15'' with Iris Pro CPUs (6770/6870/6970), and include a top end model with dGPU, same as 2015. Intel couldn't deliver the chips, and the MBP got postponed. Then, at some point that might have been only months ago, Apple heard of Kaby Lake never being available with 4+4e. This would mean that newer chips than Skylake would be available only with Coffee Lake in late 2017 (according to Intel, so mid 2018 in reality). So, they decided to skip waiting for the 4+4e Skylakes (which might never land in volume / higher specs), and go all dGPU. This added a few months, as AMD had to deliver (and possibly specifically create?) the 450 and 455.
I tested this at the Apple Store yesterday. When it's not in use, it doesn't show up. If you fire up something graphics intensive and refresh System Information, it will show up. Apple may be using a ridiculously low power state for it that's causing it to drop out of the device tree entirely. Not sure I'd go so far as to call it a bug, but it's not ideal either. If you're just trying to look up the specs for your machine, it should remember that there was a dGPU there.
The upshot is that this style of GPU reporting may well be the result of OS level support for external GPUs.
It's comments like (and the likes that come with it) that make it very difficult to for people to criticise Apple legitimately. A subset of forum members take every chance they can to bash the company.
Well, it depends what's causing it.
It could nothing, just a typo on a table somewhere.
Or it could be something more serious, and linked to the GPU crashing, because something is seriously wrong on the hardware level.
Thanks, makes sense, I suppose. As long as the System Report always has the two processors, that's fine. Seeing only one GPU there could indicate a motherboard issue...
Tim Cook should have been fired the moment he approved on Apple selling disposable computers.
True - that one is a complete non-issue. It's useful to know - if you need all 4 ports use the "restricted" ones for charge, connecting displays or USB. Nobody seriously expected to be able to plug 4 x 40Gbps SSD RAID arrays into an ultrabook.
The mis-reporting the GPU is news, because it solves the mystery of some MBPs apparently shipping with better-than-specified graphics, and stomps on conspiracy theories about Apple cheating by having in-store display models with better graphics. Its not really a problem, but its news.
Fake speaker grilles - practical impact: zero. Worrying, though, because its another indicator of Apple losing its way on form vs. function: Apple/Ive's best designs have usually been functional, minimalistic and notably lacking in go-faster stripes. Not as serious as the real function-over-form issue, though: the fact that many technical decisions seem to have been forced by the Prime Directive of making the new MBPs even thinner and lighter that their predecessors.
USB-C/TB3: big problem: not enough choice of peripherals that really do things with USB-C/TB3 that couldn't be done before to make it a big improvement. Instead, we're paying $$$ for new cables and adapters just to use the same old peripherals. If Apple had put in the work and had a less-disappointing Thunderbolt display and a decent TB3 dock available on launch day then maybe things would be different.
Price: big problem. Y'know, I can easily afford one myself, but I also have to think about what I'm going to do when work colleagues need new machines and ask what to get, when it was already an uphill struggle to convince the Powers that Be to fund a £1200 Mac over a £500 Lenovo.... now its a £1500 minimum Mac plus £100+ worth of new cables just to use existing peripherals. Big changes in the past have usually been accompanied by big improvements in performance and functionality. Now, well, its not like you couldn't run a 4k or 5k display from the higher-specced older MBPs, and what TB3 hasn't bought is the DisplayPort 1.3 data rates needed for better 4k/5k support.
Frankly, I think the update we were all looking for, at least for the 15", was last year's 15" with the 2 TB2 ports replaced by 2 TB3/USB-C ports, refreshed processors & GPUs and everything else as-is. Its just too soon not to have at least one USB-A port.