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This is so weird that thousands of users are having the exact same problem within weeks of each other.

My early-2011 MBP died last night. I was working in AutoCAD with several larger raster images loaded, the screen went glitchy and locked up. Will not reboot now EXCEPT in Windows Safe Mode.. which I'm guessing uses the integrated video card. All I get is a grey screen when I try to boot into either OS.. F this. :eek:

Having baked a couple of these exact logic boards (which reflows the solder) bringing them back to life I am not surprised, the culprit is the particular type of lead free solder they used to manufacture the original logic board back in 2011. With hot and cold the joints expand and crack over time (the 15 inch in particular certainly does get very hot) combined with substandard thermal paste application of applying far too much which covers these solder joints instead of cool air flow its a recipe for future failures down the line.

I'm still going to buy a 17 inch late 2011 to replace my 2010 regardless, I can re-paste and tint my own GPU. Besides the 17 inch model has better thermals, doesn't heat up anywhere as near as much and is much less prone to this issue. If anyone has one broken with this problem in the UK and doesn't want to repair it send me a PM cos I will buy it off you instead of throwing it in the bin! :D
 
Gav Mack, could you tell me where you get your reballing work done? Do they also use lead-free solder or do they use something more resilient?

Many thanks!

Not at all - to reball requires specialist kit to resolder BGA semis onto pcb's. In the uk where I am there are plenty on eBay though I use a firm in Central London for all of mine.

I would trust an undergrad major using a lab to bake the logic board though, ovens there will be much better calibrated than a domestic one. I calibrated my oven without the missus knowing! My recipe is pretty simple but you must follow these instructions to the letter, I am not responsible for any mistakes it is all at yours and any other members own risk who can't afford a repair or new board swap!

Using a rubber anti static mat remove logic board, clean all the thermal paste, dust debris off and wash with denatured isopropyl and allow to dry. Denatured is flammable but in a lab should be fine. For those at home perhaps using 90-95% isopropyl may be a better idea and let nature take its course drying out the small amount of water in the solution as it is less explosive!

Choose a level baking tray and line with tin foil. Wrap the logic board in the foil exposing pretty much only the GPU and CPU facing upwards. If the logic board is not level on the tray you may have to adjust by using small foil balls ensuring that the whole lot on top of the tray is totally level in the oven shelf itself, it is critical to let the solder reflow level. Remove and pre heat to 200c. Place a couple of copper coins on top of the GPU weighing in total 2-3 grams. Place in oven for 8 mins precisely, switch off, open oven door wide and let logic board cool for 15 mins without moving it. Move tray and when logic board is totally cooled unwrap the foil carefully and wash down with denatured isopropyl again.

When completely dry and for assembly you will have to tint and repaste the CPU/GPU heatpipe, Doward's videos on this post are very good and it's 2011 related, a complete tear down of the MBP model for the heat pipe and logic board removal.

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18469142/

That would cost a few beers for the undergrad if he has the facilities to do it and a bottle of isopropyl, a tin of Doward's chrome polish and as-5 thermal paste. A re-ball is £100 here in the uk a new GPU approx £150 to me trade..

The choices are yours!
 
Success story here

Alright guys, I'm checking in back on this thread as this article finally motivated me to force Apple to deal with this issue.

My story:

Early 2011 15" Pro 2.2 with 8GB third-party ram (Crucial?)

Always had this issue since day 1, and had taken it into the genius bar once in 2011 and was told that GFXstatus was my problem. :rolleyes:

Then, after the issue was bothering me more, and I started to believe that the Ram was not my issue (originally thought it was), I took it back in (mid 2013 maybe) and they said they'll take it in and replace the logic board. Issue keeps coming back. Take it in again, replace another logic board--issue keeps happening. Take it in for a third time, replace the logic board and display (which they screwed up and gave me a regular res instead of the high-res I paid for) and issue keeps happening, and now the trackpad and Mac freeze occasionally.

Now, taking it in for the 4th time (don't you love wasting time), I expected an immediate replacement, but nope, they had to in-store stress test it overnight. I get a call the next morning saying yup, it's a logic board (we all know it isn't), and she said that they can offer me a replacement, but with a caveat. I can either wait 3-4 weeks for a same early 2011 15" 2.2 pro, or get the new low-end 15" retina. Though not trying to sound ungrateful, I explained to her that I need a discrete graphics card, cannot wait 3-4 weeks to get a same model (with probably the same issue), and frankly, since I bought the high-end 15" back in 2011, I should get the same model equivalent now. She said she'll talk to her manager and call me back.

Get a call later, saying her manager won't over-charge the difference, and must pay $300 for the upgrade to the hi-end model. I eventually say yes, and ask her to transfer all the data.

Get to the apple store today, everything was transferred and old hard drive erased, and walked out with a $2600 machine for $300. Though it wasn't a perfect story, I think I did pretty well.

Just a note: I do have Applecare on this machine.
 

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Though it wasn't a perfect story, I think I did pretty well.

I wonder if this is a sign of things to come.. Apple better step up to the plate on this one because I will not be buying another Mac after getting screwed like this.
 
I wonder if this is a sign of things to come.. Apple better step up to the plate on this one because I will not be buying another Mac after getting screwed like this.

I wouldn't expect it, the genius bar had no knowledge of this issue and considered it to be 'isolated'.
 
the genius bar had no knowledge of this issue

I don't believe that for a second. This issue has garnered a lot of attention and there have been thousands of phone calls about it. Apple is well aware of this problem, but they have a company policy of not admitting to the issue or acknowledging a wide-spread problem.

I guarantee you if I walked in to the store 10 minutes after you left and asked the same genius about it he would say my problem was isolated and plead ignorance.

They know, they're choosing to ignore it and hope it goes away. Acknowledging a wide-spread problem would be too costly for them.
 
I don't believe that for a second. This issue has garnered a lot of attention and there have been thousands of phone calls about it. Apple is well aware of this problem, but they have a company policy of not admitting to the issue or acknowledging a wide-spread problem.

I guarantee you if I walked in to the store 10 minutes after you left and asked the same genius about it he would say my problem was isolated and plead ignorance.

They know, they're choosing to ignore it and hope it goes away. Acknowledging a wide-spread problem would be too costly for them.

I should correct myself, the genius I spoke with didn't have knowledge of the issue, or maybe she was truly lying.
 
Maybe I am having the same problem.
Early 2011 mbp 15'.

Suddenly my mac froze.
From this moment, it never goes to osx again.
Grey screen after boot, and sometimes blue screen.
I reset ram, I reset smc, nothing changed.
I tried safe boot, internet recovery, boot from cloned image of external hard disk, nothing helped.
It seems that everything than involves graphics, simply don't work.
The only thing that works, is command-s during boot, which gets me into text based unix. That's it.
It sounds like a gpu problem?

I read many posts here. I have not applecare.
It is not my fault. It is a hardware failure. Only 3 years after the purchase.
What apple do about it?
Nothing at all?

They say 'it is a logic board problem' and goes away?

Is there any replacement or free repair for this problem?
Ι cannot imagine that apple would leave us in the cold!!!!
:(
 
Maybe I am having the same problem.

Early 2011 mbp 15'.



Suddenly my mac froze.

From this moment, it never goes to osx again.

Grey screen after boot, and sometimes blue screen.

I reset ram, I reset smc, nothing changed.

I tried safe boot, internet recovery, boot from cloned image of external hard disk, nothing helped.

It seems that everything than involves graphics, simply don't work.

The only thing that works, is command-s during boot, which gets me into text based unix. That's it.

It sounds like a gpu problem?



I read many posts here. I have not applecare.

It is not my fault. It is a hardware failure. Only 3 years after the purchase.

What apple do about it?

Nothing at all?



They say 'it is a logic board problem' and goes away?



Is there any replacement or free repair for this problem?

Ι cannot imagine that apple would leave us in the cold!!!!

:(


Apple does not simply ask you to pay for a logic board replacement (around 500€ in Europe), but they fix your laptop with a "new" logic board likely to be affected by the same problem as your original one.

Now if you're lucky your new logic board will fail within 90 days from replacement, and apple will replace it again for free. If you're not lucky, your new logic board will last more than 90 days, and a new possible fail after that term means you'll have to pay again for another replacement.

Unacceptable.

The best solution so far is to forget apple, and find a good lab to replace your GPU, it costs around 200€ (in Europe) and it looks like it is a durable solution. Most of those who did it are happy now.
 
From what I read, apple doesn't really care.
For such pricey laptops, they should have customer satisfaction above all, and not their profits.
 
What type of flux did you use?
What was your preheat temperature?
What was your ramp to soak (how many degrees per second)?
What was your ramp to peak (how many degrees per second)?
What was your time above liquidus? (I'll give you a hint on this one: Unless "200 C" was a typo, your TAL was zero.)
What was your cooling rate (how many degees per second)?

I urge everyone reading this thread to avoid the temptation of these home-brew remedies for 2011 MBP GPU problems. These machines are still worth quite a bit even in this condition, so it's unwise to approach as if you have nothing to lose.

There are lots of posts like this one on the web. Lots of videos too. You see someone do something relatively simple and then put it all back together and it works! But it doesn't last. And you risk making a legitimate repair more difficult.

Two things are required for a legitimate (lasting) repair:
1) Equipment that is more sophisticated than your kitchen oven.
2) A competent professional who knows how to use it.

You can get a new GPU installed or a reball of your existing GPU for $250 to $300. If you live in a big city, check for a local shop doing this type of work. If not, there are also some reputable mail-in services. In either case, do some research.

The only caveat here is that I don't know how likely it is that you would get reimbursed for this type of repair in the event that Apple does eventually recognize the problem and start a program for these machines. Though, IMHO, I think they would have made a move by now if they were going to.


I have no answer for your questions other than for you to re-read my original post... I did exactly what I described (as for cooling... I took it out of the oven !)


My original post was -


I had the same problem a couple of months ago...
I read all I could about it on the net and came to the conclusion that (in my case) it would be an expensive fix.
What helped was an app that allowed me to force the use of my chosen GFX card - Discrete or Integrated.
Despite that the problem got worse over the next couple of weeks until once powered down I was unable to turn back on my MBP (Early 2011 17" 2.3Ghz i7).
I started looking for a replacement but while doing so found 2 people who had the same problem and had tried a rather drastic repair.
Thinking I had not much to lose I tried the same thing....

The problem was identified as (possibly) being caused by faulty solder joints around the GFX chip - heat being the culprit. My MPB has been used intensively since I bought it (Cinema 4D, Avid, FCP, After Effects, Photoshop... often simultaneously, with the CPUs running at 97 - 98 C for hours (even days) at a time.

The cure... (maybe)... was to strip the MPB down to it's component parts and remove the logic board. Then I did what the other guys had suggested......

I baked it in the oven for 8 mins at 200 C !

After cooling and reassembling it booted up and ran like new

That was about 6 weeks ago and I've had no recurrence of the problem.

I understand the reasoning behind the solution - the intense heat my MPB had undergone had possibly affected the joints around the GPU connections and the baking had re-flowed the solder, remaking the connections, but it was a drastic solution and one I tried only after realising that it would cost hundreds to have it repaired by Apple which probably wasn't cost effective (being almost 3 years old).

Being so risky I could not recommend that anyone else try this unless they are ready to bin their laptop and have nothing to lose. All I can say is that several weeks ago I had an MPB that wouldn't boot up after having the problems described in this thread... now I have one that is working just as hard as it ever did and is once again cooking my legs as I work on it !

If you do decide that this might be a solution for you then please search the net for advice - reflowing solder, MacBook Pro, GFX etc etc...

Despite being immensely satisfied with having repaired it in this way I'm hugely disappointed in having a (relatively widespread) defect like this in an Apple product that Apple themselves shy away from.

I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that my "Medium Rare MBP" keeps cooking for a while longer.§

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Forgot to say that while it was apart I found a huge amount of debris in the fans... can't have helped the cooling !


UPDATE:


I have to say that I have no experience in MacBook Pro repair.

I tried the above "solution" because I had a dead 2010 MBP.

I had to take into account the cost of repair of my dead 2010 MBP (in the UK), the revenue from a dead 2010 MPB, the revenue from a fixed 2010 MPB (minus the repair cost) and the cost of buying either a replacement 2010 MBP or a new MBP.

After all of the above calculations I decided the worth of my MBP was only as parts.
Yes, I could have sold it and rescued a few bucks but if the "repair" I'd read about worked then I would "save" hundreds. That's why I decided to give it a go.


It's now been months since the "repair" and it seems to be lasting, my MBP is working fine (I'm typing this on it right now). I've been using it for really intensive 3D GFX work and lots of After Effects projects.

I'm in no way recommending this as a solution, I'm just saying from experience that it worked for me and saved me a lot of money.

If you decide to try this then please search the web for the details (treat my description as incomplete, collect your own data).
 
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My update (reported on getting a new logic board earlier):

- same thing happened again yesterday, so that was obviously not a solution...
 
Just to add to the long list of defects:
Early 2011 MBP 17" 2.2 GHz i7 with AMD Radeon HD 6750M

I had my logic board replaced for free by a local Apple retailer in the UK, whilst I was still under warranty (Higher Education AppleCare lasted 3 years) by the end of February this year.

Less than 48 hours into using my 17" again, I have a shifting desktop picture again, which is how it started with the original logic board just after Christmas last year. I switched to internal graphics only i.e. no external display possible, and it is stable for the time being. I will take it back and due to the 90 days warranty am still covered and will probably get a new logic board as in the first case.
 
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Another MBP 2011 victim

Bought my macbook pro second hand when I started off to work as a freelancer. Loved it to bits. Now after 9 months, blue or grey screen of death and no where to turn it seems. Lost confidence in the Apple brand.

Can't afford a new logic board, this is a :apple: manufacturing fault and should be dealt with accordingly. Seems in todays world, everything is made in China or the country that offers the cheapest manufacturing solution. Where's the pride and the ethics that once accompanied all good quality products? Apple, designed in California, assembled in China, essentially meaningless. Fed up with this nonsense. We need a solution for the Macbook Pro 2011 GPU problem!
 
I have a late 2011 MBP which doesn't recognize audio output devices changes until I put the MBP to sleep and wake it up.

Unlike those days, the MBP takes ages to go to sleep and come back so each time I have to change the audio devices, I drink a cup of coffee until the MBP goes to sleep and comes back.

I have an iPhonee 4S which works perfectly for about 45 minutes soon after a full charge and then it shows the battery low message.

I'm seriously thinking whether my next computer should be an Apple product or not... :(
 
I'm wondering now if that is what happened to my Early 2011 MBP (2.2 i7/6750M). Originally the hard drive was failing but since it didn't show anything wrong in their tests they replaced the logic board. The next week the hard drive started acting up again so I took it to them and they finally did that replacement. One or two weeks after that the GPU fried but they blamed it on improper thermal paste application from when the logic board was replaced. They gave me a Late 2011 (2.4 i7/6770M) and it's been fine for these past two years. I have another year of AppleCare and I'll probably get a retina 13" MBP before I lose my college discount next year.
 
Mines been acting up this week seems be getting worse. The past few crashes, After a few reboots and pram resetting it starts up.

It just crashed an hr ago and I've been trying to boot it but same gray screen. It crashes the day I just take on an urgent freelance job. I think I'm ****ed.
 
I think I'm ****ed.

I would agree with you. Once mine went to grey screen it hasn't returned. I have a $2500 paper weight sitting on my dinning room table right now. I'm considering getting it "baked" but I don't know if that will really solve it.
 
I would agree with you. Once mine went to grey screen it hasn't returned. I have a $2500 paper weight sitting on my dinning room table right now. I'm considering getting it "baked" but I don't know if that will really solve it.

So after about an hour of rebooting, safe booting, and PRAM resetting, it's working again. Hopefully long enough to finish my job. It was after a gray screen > black screen > fans going to max > and shutting itself off, that seemed to put something back in place for the time being.

I really don't know what I'm going to do. I definitely don't have the money. I see all these home remedies, but I don't think any of them are foolproof, so I guess I'll have to wait.
 
VGA imac repair & gummy thermal paste

There is a seller on ebay offering apple video board repair services for 40-75 Euro depending on the board here are some of their offers

http://www.ebay.com/sch/www.computer-systems.gr/m.html

They also seem to produce and sell a set of thermal paste for iMac video boards

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261419323645

I have never met another gummy thermal paste that can replace the thermal paste that apple is using on iMac memory chips so it seems that K5-PRO thermal paste is an interesting replacement. I have ordered a set and waiting. Has anyone tryed it?
 
As I said further back in this thread I wanted a late 2011 17 inch to replace my 2010 and I bought one for a bargain on Thursday. Temperatures I noticed were at the high end of what I would like, especially for my own machine so haven't pushed it hard till I got time to remove the logic board.

So today I cleaned the heatsink, polished the contact plates to the CPU and GPU to a nice shine using metal polish and re pasted with AS-5. Removed debris and hairs from inside the case and logic board. After about an hour running I've got almost a 20 degrees c drop in idle temperatures in both OSX and Windows 7, 40 vs 60 in OSX and 50 vs 70 bootcamp and as-5 should improve after a couple of hundred hours.

I feel a bit more confident in the long term life of my GPU after this, lower default temperature lowers the odds of lead free solder contacts breaking if the heat is transferred away from the GPU die more efficiently!
 
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