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I guess this is the downside to keeping the same product design for a decade. This is going to be a black eye for Apple. I could see many ordinary customers being irritated by this and think twice about buying a MacBook Pro next time—especially with a 30% tariff in the pipeline.


I'd also add that Apple should have the model name/generation on the bottom in small print, eg

MacBook Pro, mid 2016, 9,3

Or whatever
 
Let’s be honest, these people aren’t IT experts that can tell a 2015 model even from a damn asus laptop and they’re not going to waste everyone’s time in running model numbers to verify that your slice of aluminium is safer than another. Some MacBooks can be covered in stickers, other with bodily damage that ruins the model info - the outright ban of something that looks similar makes a lot of efficiency sense to them... I don’t necessarily blame them when they’re not paid to be MBP experts.
 
I guess this is the downside to keeping the same product design for a decade. This is going to be a black eye for Apple. I could see many ordinary customers being irritated by this and think twice about buying a MacBook Pro next time—especially with a 30% tariff in the pipeline.
I don’t understand this point of view, it’s a design that works, that’s functional, a design that doesn’t need to radically change with every iteration to distinguish it from the last. Every radical design change costs huge money, new processes for stamping and cutting the aluminium, new moulds which cost shocking amounts of money because they’re supposed to keep shape for 10,000 stamping operations all because it might help in the weirdest of situations an airport security agent distinguish a 2013 MBP from a 2015 and so on... when you’re a MBP customer you’re not upgrading for new designs and rethought forms but for performance and better connectivity (faster CPU, more memory, SSD, higher density screen, USB-C) - we don’t care if the MacBook is roughly the same shape as 10 years ago (which it isn’t).
 
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So sell your shares. I bet I own a few more than you anyway. Just a guess.

I’d expect no other guess from Mr Gekko. Just as I knew your actual point was a pretentious claim of owning a share or two. Neither of us speak for shareholders.
 
Let’s be honest, these people aren’t IT experts that can tell a 2015 model even from a damn asus laptop and they’re not going to waste everyone’s time in running model numbers to verify that your slice of aluminium is safer than another. Some MacBooks can be covered in stickers, other with bodily damage that ruins the model info - the outright ban of something that looks similar makes a lot of efficiency sense to them... I don’t necessarily blame them when they’re not paid to be MBP experts.

Don’t need to be a tech expert to tell the difference.

2016-2019 4 USB c ports, oled touchbar, space grey.

2015 sd card reader, hdmi, usb a port. No Touch Bar.
 
He's blinded by his hatred for Tim Cook.

A 2015 MacBook ban on flights is just fuel for the fire. Yes, it's not ideal, but it's not going to hurt Apple long term. I find it silly Airlines are not bothering to understand the scope and just banning all of them. Why not just ban all laptops and phones while you're at it?

iPhone saturation and flagship smartphone saturation in general is real.
Why such hatred I ask myself. Is disagreeing with someone enough to spark so much resentment and hatred?
 
Disaster. Absolute brand image disaster.

Tim Cook is the reason for decreased iPhone sales, NOT people not willing to upgrade.

Wake UP shareholders. Good lord. The guy is not CEO material.

LOL. Nah. Just a headline for a few days, a week at most. Tim is the best CEO they’ve ever had. SJ was absolutely instrumental to Apple’s success but as a CEO he was middling.
 
Frankly, apple really needs to just stand up and take ownership of this. I think for ANY 2015 MBP from the affected period needs to be eligible for a free battery replacement NOW and they need to put one of those single use identity stickers or etching on the bottom of the unit that indicates it has been replaced. I can’t afford to either have my laptop taken away at some airport or told not to use it in flight.

yeah, it will cost them something but it can’t be too much. MAYBE cost them 15M$ overall to cover half the total number of units in this population.

Or, they could replace them for owners who can show real travel need. That would cost the same but probably for a much lower number of units.

I expect and answer in the next week.
 
Laptops are allowed in both carryon and checked bags, along with most devices that contain lithium-ion batteries whose sole function is not charging a device (i.e., power banks). Those must be in carryon bags.

Powerbanks are actually allowed up to a certain capacity, I believe it is 20000 mAh per piece. There are official IATA references to do so.
 
I guess this is the downside to keeping the same product design for a decade. This is going to be a black eye for Apple. I could see many ordinary customers being irritated by this and think twice about buying a MacBook Pro next time—especially with a 30% tariff in the pipeline.
But I thought this one was the best laptop Apple made? :rolleyes:
 
LOL. Nah. Just a headline for a few days, a week at most. Tim is the best CEO they’ve ever had. SJ was absolutely instrumental to Apple’s success but as a CEO he was middling.

He also did try to claim apples best q3 on record was a sign that apple was doomed.
 
Major issue, if I can't use my brand new 2019 15" MBP in flight, I'd loose too many hours of productivity and wouldn't have my presentations ready by the time the plane lands. And no, I can't prepare things earlier, I get data updates to be integrated before or during transatlantic flights. Complete waste of a otherwise perfect laptop.
Right now I can still use another carrier. But I'm afraid, more airlines and TSA will adopt this policy.
 
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Yes it is, more then enough planes are brought down every year for various reasons these days. As previously said by another member, the airport staff are not going to entertain the trust of a customer telling them their computer is not affected by the issue or ‘mines been fixed’. These are airport check in and security staff, not Apple technicians.

Hence the understanding that it is quite reasonable. Safety is first and foremost before anyone travelling with a MacBook.
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I have to admit I’m really struggling to see how he’s the most successful CEO in history.
That’s quite the claim to make there! A man who whilst in charge has lost massive sales numbers and now hides those sales numbers from investors. But increase profits by massively increasing prices. That’s not a sustainable plan and not the mark of someone who would be labelled the most successful CEO in history, in my books.
It’s also amusing how you proclaim Tim Cook is a better CEO then Steve Jibs, Cook the caretaker CEO who has merely runs apple is the greatest CEO in history, but Jobs who saved Apple from the brink of bankruptcy, and turned it around into the most successful global consumer electronics corporation on the planet ever, and did all that after being fired from Apple his own company in the first place, is not?
No it is not, because telling cMBPs and rMBPs apart is trivial.
 
There's a possibility of literally anything at anytime.
True. But if it's been out there the possibility of something specifically happening, it's widely reported, and one takes NO action based on those reports, based on such possible information.

I'm going to wish you luck telling shareholders and rightfully angry & vengeful family members in a court...

"There's a possibility of literally anything at anytime".
 
I hope all those who are still bashing Samsung for the Note 7’s battery mess are taking note here.
This really is a different issue entirely, if not ultimately.
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Major issue, if I can't use my brand new 2019 15" MBP in flight, I'd loose too many hours of productivity and wouldn't have my presentations ready by the time the plane lands. And no, I can't prepare things earlier, I get data updates to be integrated before or during transatlantic flights. Complete waste of a otherwise perfect laptop.
Right now I can still use another carrier. But I'm afraid, more airlines and TSA will adopt this policy.
This does not apply to your unit at all
 
I fully support banning all computers with lithium batteries from checked baggage, which probably represents all laptops and tablets with a non-removable battery. However, banning the use of those computers feels like an overreaction, especially when the use of less safe devices (cheap power banks, etc.) is permitted.
 
Apple Macbooks get banned from flights...

Samsung: First time?

***Inserts First Time Meme Here*** /fliesaway...
 
Don’t need to be a tech expert to tell the difference.

2016-2019 4 USB c ports, oled touchbar, space grey.

2015 sd card reader, hdmi, usb a port. No Touch Bar.


So this is one that I have mixed feelings about - I'm on my way to my second million miles, and writing this literally on an airplane on my non-2015 MBP.

First, yeah, don't put them in checked baggage. In-flight fires are a huge risk - as is damage and theft. I wouldn't ever check one anyway. Completely agree with that ban, and agree that banning all models is the easier approach. It wouldn't surprise me to see a complete ban on anything with a lithium battery in checked luggage in the near future, especially if we actually have an incident.

As far as using them on board, that's a lot more nuanced. Flight attendants don't have the time to police that level of detail, and the training and precision required to understand the nuances, in addition to all their other duties, are probably excessive. That's true by the way, even if Apple did put model numbers on the case itself - on a widebody aircraft there may be dozens of people with Macs. So if you're going to prevent use, then a blanket ban is the most realistic option (wonder what they'll do with the 16" model about to come out).

But should they ban all use in flight? That's a tough one.

There's a lot more thermal energy in a laptop battery than in a phone, and there's no way to extinguish fires of lithium batteries given the current equipment certified for use in-flight. Between the fumes emitted and the fire itself, while it would be an extremely rare occurrence, but potentially catastrophic if it happened. That's why they completely banned hoverboards (even more energy than a laptop). On balance, I'd ban all vaping units completely (including carry on) first - fires are a lot more common for those, before banning Macs.
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I fully support banning all computers with lithium batteries from checked baggage, which probably represents all laptops and tablets with a non-removable battery. However, banning the use of those computers feels like an overreaction, especially when the use of less safe devices (cheap power banks, etc.) is permitted.

Good point on the power banks!
 
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