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Good. As I mentioned, no one shareholder speaks for the collective group.

I’m pleased with past AAPL performance and hope it continues, but it’s not my best performer. Another beats it by > 8 points ytd.
YTD performance is short term and incredibly skewed by the December 2018 market dive, but good for you. I own many other stocks too.
 
Passenger and crew safety come first so ban all similarly looking Macbooks from use in-flight and enforce carry-on storage in fire retardant LiPo sleeve/bag.

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The back of your laptop has its serial number. Whoever wants can check against the (SSL authenticated) apple site.

In theory this is good enough. In practice... I doubt that this will really address the concerns of some inspectors..

In practice are you going to wait in line whilst the airport staff check every Mac laptop serial number on a website?
 
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Again, here in the states the TSA will scan your luggage and determine procedure.

Want quotes FROM the damn article?
No, the TSA is not involved with this. It's between the FAA, who made the directive, and the airlines, who are charged with implementation.
 
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Battery faulty -> battery is a fire hazard -> same exact issue.
Well Samsung tried to push any of the known boundaries or limits of known lithium ion battery density for consumer electronics. And they didn’t test it enough and it failed and bit them hard. This is not what Apple did at all and apple simply had a bad supplier for some of the proven battery form factors and power delivery and it failed very slightly.

So personally i consider it different as do most.
 
Have there been actual documented cases of these things starting fires? Seems like a bit of an overreaction, no?

If I were responsible for keeping planes in the sky, and I knew Apple felt it necessary to run a product recall on the laptops, I wouldn't be taking any chances.
 
I have been looking at the numbers. Apple was always going to grow regardless of who became CEO because smartphone sales were still exploding. He’s entirely mishandled mishap after mishap and many of the wounds have been self-inflicted. I do not care about stock price. I care about customer loyalty, brand image, name recognition. Like Starbucks relies on being Starbucks while selling low-quality crap coffee, it doesn’t matter because their brand image supersedes all that and they succeed.

In my OPINION iPhone sales are down double digits and not catching on in China and India because of Cook’s shortcomings and trashing of the brand. Consecutive quarters of iPhone sale dips, first time in history iPhone sales have been less than 59% of Apple’s profits etc. All the signs of a shrinking iPhone base are there, but nobody sees it because of inflated device profits and increased revenue. Makes no difference to me because it’s snowballing effect that will become noticeable in time regardless of opinion. Watch once these new models are released and the next earnings report is released. People will start to see...
 
Again, here in the states the TSA will scan your luggage and determine procedure.

Want quotes FROM the damn article?


No need. You are sure you are right. I really don't care what you think. Have a nice day.
 
The only surprising thing to me is people check MacBook Pros? I had cashews stolen from checked baggage. Not checking my laptop.
 
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Well Samsung tried to push any of the known boundaries or limits of known lithium ion battery density for consumer electronics. And they didn’t test it enough and it failed and bit them hard. This is not what Apple did at all and apple simply had a bad supplier for some of the proven battery form factors and power delivery and it failed very slightly.

So personally i consider it different as do most.
"as do most"?

And nah, it's no different. Apple was also pushing the limits on battery design. And swelling batteries wasn't new to the 2015 models. Apple's been having issues with that for years before that.

And again: result is the same. So please stop your mindless Samsung bashing.
 
Disaster. Absolute brand image disaster.

Tim Cook is the reason for decreased iPhone sales, NOT people not willing to upgrade.

Wake UP shareholders. Good lord. The guy is not CEO material.

Whatever. The iPhone X was so great I felt no need to upgrade. There was nothing more to it for me. I'll upgrade this year.
 
They should recall the 2013s (maybe 2014) as well. My battery got so fat that the touchpad was no longer usable and the bottom lid was starting to get deformed. No way is that natural swelling due to age.
 
Let us know when Apple has to cancel an entire product line after issuing two separate recalls (like the Note 7 - the biggest disaster ever in the history of consumer electronics).
Nice attempt at hijacking the thread but we're not talking about Samsung here.
 
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Let us know when Apple has to cancel an entire product line after issuing two separate recalls (like the Note 7 - the biggest disaster ever in the history of consumer electronics).

That was a mess. It wasn’t a 4 year old product either, it was brand new.

Samsung botched the recall and needed a do over, tainted the note line ever since.
 
They have banned them in India too. I'm afraid to carry my Macbook Air, for all I know the airports authorities woudn't be able to tell the difference
 
Not Cupertino, but Taipei. The supply chain master has basically made them into Dells and HPs. Engineered by Compal, manufactured by Foxconn, with a battery pack by Simplo out of cells made by LG Chem...

Apple sign off and put their name to the end product.

As a customer, our problem is with APPLE. What apple need to do about it internally is Apple's problem.
 
Did your comment get edited for including something political?

I know it's not the same scale, but it's still going to annoy a ton of people who travel often. Especially if they are outright banned so you can't check them or use them during flights. People still need to get work done. You have to buy something else or not get work done. More and more companies are allowing employees to have Macs so they are becoming a bigger factor in business. This could limit that to an extent.

I think the 16" MBP is going to be so expensive that it's going to turn off a lot of users. For the performance they are already priced too high for me. The iMac is a much better value. I'm looking forward to Apple shaking things up with their own CPU and GPU across the lineup of MacBooks. Either that or switching to AMD which has been making a lot of serious progress on their 7nm production and is bypassing Intel, at least on desktop. I haven't kept up with their mobile chips. I've been considering building an AMD-based gaming PC at some point next year when the new GPUs launch from Nvidia and AMD.
Oh! I guess it did. I was trying to skirt it as best as I could but apparently not good enough for the mods. It was relevant though to the conversation so I felt I couldn't leave it out, but oh well.

Yeah, the iMac (non-Pro) really is an underrated multi-tool that can do everything, and do it all on that beautiful 5K display. The thing for me is that I need portability as well as power, so Apple will have their teeth sunk into me for quite a while as far as the MacBook Pro is concerned.
 
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That's a bit simplistic. Flagship phone sales are down period across all brands. The issue is old phones are more than fast enough and just how many cameras do you need crammed onto the back of your phone? My iPhone 7+ runs perfectly fine, screen is plenty big enough, the phone is thin and light enough.... why would I upgrade?

Has ZERO to do with Tim Cook, any innovation or lack thereof in the iPhone space. It's hard to imagine what technological feature could be added to a phone today that would differentiate it significantly enough from my years-old iPhone 7 to make me want or need to upgrade.

My wife's 10 year old white unibody Macbook runs macOS just fine. My iPhone 5s runs iOS just fine and works great for Apple Music streaming to my stereo. The 2019 iMac (which I have on order) is not significantly faster than the 2017 iMac (or 2015 for that matter).... Moore's Law is dead. Until we see a quantum (literally) leap in processing power and have the bandwidth AND applications to utilize the processing power available, there's NO reason to upgrade and therefore, sales suffer.

Well said. I’m also rocking the 7 Plus and definitely am not someone who’s going to put up with using slow stuff. Smartphones reached their peak a couple of years ago and everything from this point on will be incremental just like regular computers.
 
So in your opinion the risk to all of the other passengers and crew is worth the "harm" that a *maximum* 12 hour flight without the use of your macbook pro causes to you?

I don't even own the affected model, so no. I'm just a little bit tired of all the silly overreactions by people who don't really understand battery tech and the risks involved, and who react out of fear without doing the math.

This isn't at all like the Samsung recall, where about a hundred phones caught fire within the first month. This was only about two devices per year. By my back-of-the-napkin estimation, these things catch fire at only about 16x the nominal rate for lithium ion batteries. Although that is a high enough multiple to be worthy of a recall, it isn't the sort of number that anyone remotely sane should be paranoid about. After all, non-Mac laptops outnumber Mac laptops by about 10:1, so even with those higher odds, a battery fire is still almost as likely to be caused by one of the non-Mac laptops as by a recalled Mac laptop. :)


That's what you're saying, right? I probably won't get stuck by lightning, but that doesnt mean I'm going to play golf in the middle of a thunderstorm.

Lightning strikes during a thunderstorm are many orders of magnitude more common than a battery catching fire, and more than an order of magnitude more likely to kill you when they happen. Lithium battery fires basically only kill people if they start a house fire while someone is asleep, statistically speaking.


Do you want to be on a plane with one of these laptops if it catches fire?

As long as that laptop is in use when it catches fire, sure. A Lithium ion battery fire in an aircraft cabin is really no big deal. You just flood the device with water to quench the flames, then repeat every few minutes whenever the battery gets hot enough to self-reignite until it stops doing so. There's not enough metallic lithium in laptop batteries to be a problem; these aren't lithium primary cells that we're talking about here; water or a Class ABC fire extinguisher is more than good enough.

The main risk comes from fires that start without anyone noticing them in a timely manner. And that risk is much, much greater if you tell passengers that they can't use the laptops, because they are more likely to stuff them in an overhead bin, where the fire will get much hotter before anybody notices it — possibly dangerously so.
 
Have just checked in to an Emirates flight and they are not allowing affected MacBook Pros AT ALL, checked or cabin. I had to fire up my MacBook and run an “About this Mac” to prove mine was a 13inch. Not sure if this is across the board or I just ended up at an exceptionally vigilant check in line. Were I told I couldn’t get on the flight with my laptop, I don’t know what options I would have. If I had to travel back home to drop off my laptop I’d almost certainly miss my flight.
 
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