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There's not enough popcorn in the world for the drama on these comments. You'd think we were locking children in cages.
 
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This is a very different situation from the Note 7. The 2015 15” is over 4 years old now and most love it. This is an inconvenience for sure but it won’t have the impact it would’ve had this happened back in 2015.

I agree it is different, and that the Note 7 was probably a more serious danger. But I wonder if the inconvenience to MBP owners will be worse. With the Note 7, almost all of them were pulled from the market and replaced with different models within months. Good or faulty, Note 7 owners were carrying different phones shortly after the airline bans. What will MBP owners be dealing with 6 months from now? The airlines won't want to have to inspect each MBP's documentation to see that it was not affected or had been repaired.
 
Then why don't AA cells have overcurrent protection? It can start a fire, i.e. you use a lighter, but the risk isn't significant.

Again, Li-Ion cells are a particular and severe hazard that is not present in most other types, save Li metal and some of the exotic chemistries like Li-SOCl2.

Going back to your original post, you might want to read your liked article carefully about suspected smuggled military weapons during the period of apartheid. You simply chose a bad example of a crash that predated commercial Li-Ion use.
The point is not that the risk is smaller but that a battery could have started the fire on that plane.

I already know about the weapons theory.

Note than the plane was coming from Taiwan.
 
Impressive but in 8 years under Steve it went from about $2.5B to about $40B. For the same percentage in improvement. Apple would need to be worth $4.8T today under Tim Cook. Obviously TC is a bad CEO compared to SJ.:rolleyes:

More to the point, TC has be riding the momentum that SJ left him.

Now that momentum is slowing down. It just takes a while for something as ground breaking as the iPhone to start to get a little 'creeky' in consumers minds.
 
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What's the reasoning behind allowing affected MacBook Pro's on the plane in a carry-on vs not allowing them in a check baggage?

It doesn't make any sense to me. As a matter of fact, I would think that allowing it in a carry-on poses more risk. Aren't the checkin "bins" designed to withstand small bomb explosions? - I would think the faulty laptop would be safer there than inside the cabin.
 
Whenever I fly internationally, the airline at check-in counter ALWAYS asked that all electronics with lithium-ion battery be removed from check-in luggage and can only be in carry-on. Also, who trust the airport workers enough to leave their LAPTOPS in the check-in luggages!?!?!? (A friend of mine lost her MBP when she checked-in. No one knows if it was taken out for security reason? or was stolen? They don't tell you!)
 
I have a 2016 Macbook Pro. I have checked the serial number and Apple confirms it is not affected. I am flying next month. Am I going to have any issues with the MacBook Pro in my Carry on Bag? Is there anything I need to do?
 
Laptops are allowed in both carryon and checked bags, along with most devices that contain lithium-ion batteries whose sole function is not charging a device (i.e., power banks). Those must be in carryon bags.

Actually, all power banks are also legal provided they are 25,600 mah or less in size. That's why so many batteries are "sized for airlines" or "airline approved."
[doublepost=1567112784][/doublepost]So let me be sure I understand this. The comments from people make it seem like you are allowed to have your laptop with you (off) as long as it's NOT in your bag? Does that make sense? Seems more like what they mean is you can't take it at all. It would be OK if we could bring it along and just not use it, as none of us would ever put a laptop in our luggage.
 
What's the reasoning behind allowing affected MacBook Pro's on the plane in a carry-on vs not allowing them in a check baggage?

It doesn't make any sense to me. As a matter of fact, I would think that allowing it in a carry-on poses more risk. Aren't the checkin "bins" designed to withstand small bomb explosions? - I would think the faulty laptop would be safer there than inside the cabin.
Because crews sometimes put out fires in the cabin, and fires in the cargo hold have brought down planes.
 
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What's the reasoning behind allowing affected MacBook Pro's on the plane in a carry-on vs not allowing them in a check baggage?

It doesn't make any sense to me. As a matter of fact, I would think that allowing it in a carry-on poses more risk. Aren't the checkin "bins" designed to withstand small bomb explosions? - I would think the faulty laptop would be safer there than inside the cabin.

You can control a fire in the cabin by isolating it from flammables (tossing it into the metal bathroom or galley sink), dowsing surrounding items with water. In the cargo hold, you can't, and it will set surrounding bags on fire.

Very little is effective against Li-Ion fires, including cargo extinguishing systems. It will literally continue to burn underwater.

And no, containers are not designed to contain bombs, and narrowbody aircraft don't typically use containers to begin with, and explosions are different from fires.
 
Time to vote with our dollars! Let's start compiling a list of airlines that are mac friendly vs those that aren't, so we know with whom we can fly.
 
You can control a fire in the cabin by isolating it from flammables (tossing it into the metal bathroom or galley sink), dowsing surrounding items with water. In the cargo hold, you can't, and it will set surrounding bags on fire.

Very little is effective against Li-Ion fires, including cargo extinguishing systems. It will literally continue to burn underwater.

And no, containers are not designed to contain bombs, and narrowbody aircraft don't typically use containers to begin with, and explosions are different from fires.

Hmm, I could have sworn that I saw a video years ago about how the cargo containers on planes were designed to contain some types of explosions so as to not bring down the plane.
 
yeah, i had my battery replaced by Apple in February this year, my cycle count is now 87 and i am getting battery problems again.
 
I think you've got it the wrong way around. You can no longer put it in checked luggage but must carry it with you. I'm not sure this'll affect many people as most would carry their laptops onboard anyway.


A lot of people put laptops in checked baggage. If you need 3 or 4 for a trade show, music gig, etc., you can't carry them all on.
 
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I guess this is the downside to keeping the same product design for a decade. This is going to be a black eye for Apple. I could see many ordinary customers being irritated by this and think twice about buying a MacBook Pro next time—especially with a 30% tariff in the pipeline.
Just playing Devil's advocate here Duke, but I doubt Apple will be affected much by the tariffs, if at all, based on . And it's a blemish for sure, but nowhere near on the scale of a certain Korean company and their flagship phone a couple years back ;)

I'm betting that new 16" MBP that's just around the corner is going to be such a beauty and a technical juggernaut that this issue will be quickly forgotten about anyway.
 
Shareholders have been very happy under Cook. Ask me how I know.

Investors are no longer worried about iPhone sales because we understand the company and its new direction after building such a vibrant user base and serviceS/wearables businesses thanks to Tim Cook.

Just because some airlines decided to overreact and ban stuff that’s not even problem, doesn’t mean there is some crisis at Apple. This is limited to a specific model year.
Shareholders have been very happy because the product lines Steve Jobs put in place couldn't lose money if they tried.
Tim Cook is in no way responsible for any of the success, and is in every way responsible for the myriad of un-Apple like missteps, changes, and other disasters.

Yes. All of the blame. None of the credit. And its actually true.
 
I am nervous, especially considering that TSA agents aren't going to be able to differentiate. Even with the newer 2016+ MacBook Pro, I feel like I'll eventually be stopped as I travel quite a bit. NOT putting that in my checked bag. Maybe I'll print out a screenshot of the "you're not affected" page.

It's not TSA. It's specific airlines.
 
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