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It's like Apple have one guy who creates another "revenue stream" every time his brain farts and another who whacks him around the back of the head when countries with populations with less money than sense legislate against them.

It's like paying well north of a grand for a phone isn't enough of a commitment to relentless capitalism.
 
Welp, looks like I won’t be using it.
If you haven’t figured it out by now everything is heading to subscription based services.

The implementation of AI based services is just Internet 3.0 and the opportunity for business to charge for every byte of data that is transmitted.

The cost of being online is about to skyrocket. Even ISPs will cash in by eliminating unlimited internet usage and reverting back to buckets of data, pay-per-meg or pay-per-minute.
 
Oh and I forgot to mention, the tie in with Google AI. Do Apple users honestly think their personal data, privacy and security is going to be safe when dealing with a company that is known to harvest peoples personal data and sell it on to 3rd parties.
Our data will be safe. If you’re not an Apple user, then why even bother to comment? I’d rather use an IPhone as all other brands/phones are spy devices.
 
I would still keep my Echo Show as a bedside alarm clock as it works well for that. But I've been thinking of offline home automation and really do not want to go down the Home Assistant route! That is one mine field I'll avoid.. but if Home Kit does it then that's a better solution for me. I have no idea how it works or how to set it up so will investigate further.
I need some new smart plugs so shall hold off and see if Home Kit and Siri works first.
Homepod Mini or top version of AppleTV w Ethernet/128GB and devices certified with Homekit.
 
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More of a creative for the last 40 years, but I like the way you are trying to make it sound like bugs are only there for people who know how to use a computer. Kind of childish. I don’t see bugs, but anything that slows me down, I work around. You know, like a seasoned developer might instead of whining about it. Apple has no more bugs than anything else, and I have never had to spend 4 hours to get a mac to working stage on the OS. Plus when I got it (brand new W11 Laptop) out of the box, I had a 'BIOS Checksum error' after the hitting the power button for the first time. What the hell?
Thank you for confirming my original statement. Do you run databases on your mac? Do you have your mac process 1000s of email per day? Do you try to compile new software using Apple tools, but get crashes multiple times per day? Do you have to clear caches every hour because they get corrupted? Do you have bugs that were filed over 10+ years ago that are still present and unaddressed? Do you use Apple supported and WWDC mentioned 3rd party software like Vapor, that will not compile the documentation using Apple tools for at least the last year? Do you read any of the major 3rd party developer blogs about how bad Apple APIs are? Do you have your internet drop out and Safari freeze multiple times per day?

"like a seasoned developer might instead of whining about it." Unfortunately, Apple is all about pizzazz and bling, so "winning" about it and getting media coverage is the only way to get improvements. So, you tagged it correctly, I am not happy with Apple's software development performance and neither should you be. That is if you cared for quality and not bling.
 
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Why bother, I use my own LLM at home and its way better than apple, she is snarky, bigheaded, rude and opioniated and she knows eveything, just like a real wife without the divorce fees when I uninstall her.
 
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The EU knowing they're powerless to stop it. Apple and Open AI are based in California.

I'm not sure that's true. The EU had a veto on the Microsoft/Activision deal. I can only guess because both companies had significant trade into the European Union's single market? Antitrust regulation is something I have no clue about. I hope you are right, though!
 
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Thank you for confirming my original statement. Do you run databases on your mac? Do you have your mac process 1000s of email per day? Do you try to compile new software using Apple tools, but get crashes multiple times per day? Do you have to clear caches every hour because they get corrupted? Do you have bugs that were filed over 10+ years ago that are still present and unaddressed? Do you use Apple supported and WWDC mentioned 3rd party software like Vapor, that will not compile the documentation using Apple tools for at least the last year? Do you read any of the major 3rd party developer blogs about how bad Apple APIs are? Do you have your internet drop out and Safari freeze multiple times per day?

"like a seasoned developer might instead of whining about it." Unfortunately, Apple is all about pizzazz and bling, so "winning" about it and getting media coverage is the only way to get improvements. So, you tagged it correctly, I am not happy with Apple's software development performance and neither should you be. That is if you cared for quality and not bling.
No I’m good thanks.
 
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As of the second quarter of 2024, Apple’s gross margin amounted to around 42.27 percent. Gross margin is a financial metric that takes the difference between a company’s revenue and its cost of goods sold and then expresses this number as a percentage of total revenue. More simply expressed: in the second quarter of 2024 Apple sold its products with an overall markup of 42.27 percent over their total cost.
Gross margin means almost nothing until you also subtract operating expenses, which leaves net profit. There's a big difference in a company's financial picture between gross and net.
 
Oh and I forgot to mention, the tie in with Google AI. Do Apple users honestly think their personal data, privacy and security is going to be safe when dealing with a company that is known to harvest peoples personal data and sell it on to 3rd parties.
Where is the evidence that Apple "tied in" with Google AI? It's just a Bloomberg rumor, much like Chinese spyware.
 
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Charge for it by all means yes. But I’m thinking more like $2.99 a month extra for the AI enhanced Siri. There’s no way I would be paying $20 a month and don’t give Apple the idea that we will.
Not sure where the $20 comes from. I didn't put a figure on it. To be honest, I'm not a fan of all this intrusive AI. Even with Apple's privacy, I would need to see some very compelling benefits and use-cases which I make use of frequently, and not just as a gimmick, for this to be considered useful to me. I can't imagine what that would be to make me want to pay even a few dollars, let alone $20. I'm not against charging, I think it's probably a good, limiting thing, but it shouldn't be huge. It should probably be built into existing subscriptions. Guess we'll have to wait and see how it shapes up.
 
And you're also just avoiding my question: who pays for the server farms?
Well… since the iPhones are much more expensive than what the competition is offering, it’s justified and necessary to offer these services freely to stay relative in the market.

The upcoming iPhone 16 is relatively the same as the iPhone 15, 14, 13, 12. All the parts, except the A-series processors, are widely available for everyone. Every time Apple is bragging about their new cameras, screens or other hardware features, Apple wants you to believe it’s an Apple invention. Like the tandem oled displays in the iPad Pro.

120ghz screens are almost standard on every phone these days as is oled for laptops.

In short to answer your question:

when you look beyond the marketing bla bla and see what Apple charges you for their products… it’s peanuts for them to release these new AI capabilities for free and it would be beyond greedy to charge extra for it.

But Timmy is more focused on 🤑 than focusing on best…
 


Apple eventually plans to turn some of its artificial intelligence features into paid services, similar to iCloud+ subscriptions, according to Bloomberg reporter Mark Gurman.

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Writing in his latest Power On newsletter, Gurman said that while Apple Intelligence will be free to start, Apple's long-term plan is to launch something like "Apple Intelligence+," with extra features that users pay monthly fees to access.

Making its own AI features another services revenue stream should allow Apple to compensate for the slowing pace of hardware upgrades and make the company less reliant on hardware tweaks to drive its business, argues Gurman.

Apple is also expected to receive a cut of revenue whenever a user signs up to features offered by its AI partners, such as ChatGPT provided by OpenAI. Gurman says he expects Apple to agree a deal with Google and Anthropic to offer their AI services through its devices, with the former expected to be announced when Apple Intelligence launches in the fall as part of iOS 18, iPadOS 18, and macOS Sequoia.

Bloomberg previously reported that Apple has turned down an AI partnership with Facebook parent company Meta due to privacy concerns. Meanwhile, Apple is said to be seeking partnerships for the Chinese market, where ChatGPT and other similar AI services are not available.

Article Link: Some Apple Intelligence Features Likely to Require Paid Subscription
“…for the rest of us.”
 
“Paid for” subscription has to offer value I would often use
Have to see what’s what when iOS 18 is released
This is not about iOS 18 features. The article is talking about possible extra charges for potential extra features in some undefined future. Seems a pretty good bet, given how vague that is.
 
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Oh and I forgot to mention, the tie in with Google AI. Do Apple users honestly think their personal data, privacy and security is going to be safe when dealing with a company that is known to harvest peoples personal data and sell it on to 3rd parties.
If Apple does a contract with Google like they did with OpenAI, then, yes, you can feel good about your data. The OpenAI contract stipulates that OpenAI cannot store your data or use it for training. They have a delete it once the request is done. Apple has audit rights to verify compliance. Apple is also masking your IP address on requests. That’s pretty good protection and sets the bar for other AI partners. It is likely why an arrangement with Facebook never went anywhere.
 
Not sure where the $20 comes from. I didn't put a figure on it. To be honest, I'm not a fan of all this intrusive AI. Even with Apple's privacy, I would need to see some very compelling benefits and use-cases which I make use of frequently, and not just as a gimmick, for this to be considered useful to me. I can't imagine what that would be to make me want to pay even a few dollars, let alone $20. I'm not against charging, I think it's probably a good, limiting thing, but it shouldn't be huge. It should probably be built into existing subscriptions. Guess we'll have to wait and see how it shapes up.
Oh $20 was just an arbitrary figure that I felt would be well over the amount that it should be. But I’m actually hoping they don’t roll it into existing subscriptions because I want to pay only for that and not also for Apple Music or fitness or anything else. Kind of like I have to pay for the golf channel, a channel I never watch, on cable just to be able to finance HGTV for example. I actually think $2.99 would be a fair price if there really is a substantial advance in what Siri can do, and as you say, it has to be something that is useful to me.
 
All the people saying “I’m not going to pay for this“ remind me of the people yelling at the Walmart cashier about they won’t ever be back, then you see them in the store the next day.

I really dislike subscriptions on certain things, but if it involves some sort of off device computing or using paid media like music, I can understand it. I’m not going to pay $2.99 a month to access a calendar on my phone. I will pay $9.99 a month for music or access to a powerful computer that could help me.
 
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Who cares about shareholders, what about customer experience?
I mean that’s funny if it’s sarcastic. Customer experience is prioritized when it dovetails with shareholder expectations, otherwise it is not. This is for any publicly traded company after all. It should not be a surprise and we should not expect different behavior given the incentive structure.
 
I'm probably going to be happy with the free version because I don't use other Apple software or services, only Mac hardware and MacOS, and AAI needs you to be all in on Apple to be really useful
 
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