Some of Leopard's 300+ New Features

[jpine]

Encyclopedia salesman?

Seriously, hating Wikipedia is like hating freedom. Why do you hate our freedom, jpine?

Worse than a salesman! University professor. I applaud the freedom that the internet gives many in society. I hate the mediocrity that Wikipedia enables. Sometimes it’s wrong, sometimes it's right to one degree or another. Sometimes it's dead on correct. The problem is that it's often a crapshoot. For my purposes, it provides a launching pad for me to teach critical thinking skills to students.

 

[gwangung]

you need to take a chill pill and get a life buddy.

i did read your post and i find your statement irrelevant.

( are you a bilingual asian ? )

Then you're pretty irrelevant yourself. Can't seem to look beyond your needs. A pity.

 

[ozontheroad]

Then you're pretty irrelevant yourself. Can't seem to look beyond your needs. A pity.

LOL

get over yourself

LMAO

by the way... end of discussion

ciao

 

[arkmannj]

CS3 runs exceptionally well under Leopard.

Swee..good to know, Thanks.

 

[gwangung]

LOL

get over yourself

LMAO

by the way... end of discussion

ciao

Dang, guy, you're the one who needs to get over yourself....

And ya can't have a discussion if one side's not willing to listen...

 

[PCMacUser]

Maybe I'm being swept along on the hype, but in recent weeks I've been wondering why any home user would want to use anything other than a Mac once Leopard is introduced. They're so far ahead of Windows Vista in every single respect.

I totally disagree. In what way is Leopard so far ahead of Vista?

 

[SiliconAddict]

I totally disagree. In what way is Leopard so far ahead of Vista?

Ditto. I use Vista on my desktop at home. With the last couple performance and compatability updates Vista has been running perfectly fine. Both OS's are good. What Leopard has is a mature, for the most part, core and a bunch of nifty features that aid in productivity.
Vista has massive compatibility with a huge application library that spans Windows history (I've run DOS applications successfully in Vista with the correct tweaks.) Along with better power management, IMHO, then OS X. (Standby is WAY faster then in Tiger.)

 

[lazyrighteye]

I totally disagree. In what way is Leopard so far ahead of Vista?

The fact Leopard runs Vista is pretty distinguishing, to me.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

LOVE getting printer drivers via SWU. It's such a hassle sometimes through the manufacturers' sites. Hopefully Apple has it down.

Since Apple now owns CUPS and has vowed to keep it's foundation GPL it's clear Apple values the FOSS community. It will then separate itself on the abstractions by expanding the Print Functionality for the 3rd party devs.

Software Update for Printing is one example.

 

[dmon]

Good...I don't think I ever want to see another Java app on Mac. If we can get the Java developers to stay away from Mac, it's an OS X feature that gets my blessing.

You really don't have any clue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebObjects

 

[mdriftmeyer]

Where's "Resolution Independence" ???

What else does Leopard not have that it was supposed to have???

Where are those RI LCD/CRT Displays?

It isn't vaporware. The Hardware to match the software isn't in the general consumer hands.

 

[macboy215]

Apple to release Vista soon - Who's the copycat now?

i have pre ordered my copy.. cant wait to get it

btw what do you guys think about this guy and his post here:

Apple to release Vista soon - Who's the copycat now?
from www.microsoftwow.net

honestly these windows fanboys cant get over the fact that Mac are just too cool... but its a interesting post nevertheless...

 

[mdriftmeyer]

You really don't have any clue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebObjects

No he does't. He also doesn't keep up with Java Development.

I'm looking forward the Java 6 changes from SUN:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/10/18/sun-rework_1.html?source=NLC-APPDEV&cgd=2007-10-18

Applets running on their own separate threads. This will be a big change for Rich Clients via the Web. Bloat will be removed from the Browser. The threading model won't deal with the thread model of the Browser. The plugin architecture of WebKit will work just fine for it.

 

[mklos]

I totally disagree. In what way is Leopard so far ahead of Vista?

Maybe its because Vista flat out blows! I work on PCs all day long and its a terrible OS. I know lots of other PC techs and regular home users who absolutely hate Vista. Its bloatware to the max. Everything is changed around from everything they've done in the past 15 years which just confuses the hell out of people, not to mention hard to troubleshoot for techs. Hardware and software compatibly issues. It brings a new system down to its knees. For 5 years worth of work, they could have done a lot better. Christ 80% of the features were dropped because they couldn't get them working. They need to stop trying to support 15 yr old software. Make people upgrade to newer versions. It will kill them in the end. Maybe in the year 2020 we'll see the next version of Vista or whatever its going to be called. Leopard 2.0 maybe?

 

[SiliconAddict]

The fact Leopard runs Vista is pretty distinguishing, to me.

Leopard doesn't "Run" Vista any more then Windows can "run" Linux or a hacked version of OS X. Dual booting is nothing special contrary to what Apple would have you think. Windows has been doing that crap for over a decade and *nix? Forever.

 

[mklos]

i have pre ordered my copy.. cant wait to get it

btw what do you guys think about this guy and his post here:

Apple to release Vista soon - Who's the copycat now?
from www.microsoftwow.net

honestly these windows fanboys cant get over the fact that Mac are just too cool... but its a interesting post nevertheless...

People can think and say what they want. It really is kind of weird how all of a sudden since Mac OS X has this amazing new feature, it just so happens that Vista will have the same features that run half-ass compared to the OS X version. However, certain features are going to be copied from each other because they become a necessity. It also the way this world works. Its always monkey see, monkey do for everything, not just operating systems and computers. If a car manufacturer sees something from another that really makes a car sell, its going to figure out how to get that implemented in some way, shape, or form.

 

[72930]

Leopard doesn't "Run" Vista any more then Windows can "run" Linux or a hacked version of OS X. Dual booting is nothing special contrary to what Apple would have you think. Windows has been doing that crap for over a decade and *nix? Forever.

No OS has virtualisation solutions close to those on OSX...

 

[mklos]

Leopard doesn't "Run" Vista any more then Windows can "run" Linux or a hacked version of OS X. Dual booting is nothing special contrary to what Apple would have you think. Windows has been doing that crap for over a decade and *nix? Forever.

I think he was referring to that fact that a lot of features and looks came from OS X. iCal and Windows Calendar is a perfect example. The two look and act nearly identical.

 

[SiliconAddict]

Maybe its because Vista flat out blows! I work on PCs all day long and its a terrible OS. I know lots of other PC techs and regular home users who absolutely hate Vista. Its bloatware to the max. Everything is changed around from everything they've done in the past 15 years which just confuses the hell out of people, not to mention hard to troubleshoot for techs. Hardware and software compatibly issues. It brings a new system down to its knees. For 5 years worth of work, they could have done a lot better. Christ 80% of the features were dropped because they couldn't get them working. They need to stop trying to support 15 yr old software. Make people upgrade to newer versions. It will kill them in the end. Maybe in the year 2020 we'll see the next version of Vista or whatever its going to be called. Leopard 2.0 maybe?

You mean like the transition from OS 9 to OS 10? I'm sorry but one can't bitch about pushing a UI forward.

 

[72930]

You mean like the transition from OS 9 to OS 10? I'm sorry but one can't bitch about pushing a UI forward.

Thats the thing...a lot of Vista's new features are just useless, unlike those introduced in the OS9->X switch...Flip3D?!?!

 

[SiliconAddict]

No OS has virtualisation solutions close to those on OSX...

OS X has NO virtualization tech in it as is. If you are talking Parallels or VMWare, ummm heh. Windows can do that as well and in some cases better then OS X. Virtual PC from MS and VMWare's solutions run full hardware acceleration and has been able to do that for some time oh and its free on Windows. http://www.vmware.com/download/player/ \ http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx

Thats the thing...a lot of Vista's new features are just useless, unlike those introduced in the OS9->X switch...Flip3D?!?!

Yah and like having a date on iCal? Or Calculations in Spotlight? Etc Etc. Every OS has its useful and pointless features. Remind me again just how long after 10.0 came out when Expose was released? We'll ignore the fact that 10.0 was so bug ridden they had to release 10.1 for free. I've said this again and again. Vista is MS's OS 10.0. And its a hell of a lot better out of the box then 10.0 was. Apple has nothing to crow about. 10.5 is 7 years of refinement. Yes MS is playing catch up but for an OS that is less then a year out of release they have made pretty damn good progress and the simple fact is that it wasn't until 2 years after the release of 10.0 when Apple really started pushing new features. It took them that long to clean up their mess.

 

[72930]

OS X has NO virtualization tech in it as is. If you are talking Parallels or VMWare, ummm heh. Windows can do that as well and in some cases better then OS X. Virtual PC from MS and VMWare's solutions run full hardware acceleration and has been able to do that for some time oh and its free on Windows. http://www.vmware.com/download/player/ \ http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx

What I mean is that on my Macbook, I can run any software I want made for any OS (as long as my hardware is up-to-scratch)...this just isn't possible on a Windows PC...

 

[mklos]

You mean like the transition from OS 9 to OS 10? I'm sorry but one can't bitch about pushing a UI forward.

Well eventually M$ will hit a wall because they keep using old crappy technology that doesn't work very well with today's OS's. They'll eventually need to do this or else they'll be screwed someday. Maybe not in the next OS release, or the one after that, but eventually its got to happen.

Yes, it won't be like the transition to OS X because there are tons of users to convert unlike us Mac users. So it is easier said than done, but it will still need to be done eventually. If they're going to take 5yrs to make an OS, they could develop a totally new OS with a totally new foundation, give it a compatibility layer to make the transition smoother and build from that and then drop it once the transition is totally complete. Develop an OS platform for the future like Apple did with OS X. They could also keep developers, large corporations, etc up to date at all times, making sure drivers, software titles, speciality software, etc all work with the new OS. Use the 5yrs to make a new great OS and to get software developers and major corporations prepared. Do a gradual transition, not all at once. Do something like a 5yr plan, each year implementing this technology or this year were going to drop this and replace it with this.

I really want Microsoft to make a great OS. I really do. It keeps Apple and other OS developers (Linux) going strong with new ideas and technologies. But, Vista isn't it. I'm sorry, you can say what you want, but its just not all that great. Yes, its more secure and kudos to them for doing that, but they can do better with the time they had.

 

[Project]

Hmm. Quite surprised at the Wikipedia negativity. It is IMO the most awesome resource on the planet and a monumental achievement that will go down in history. Is it the best for everything? Nope. Are there errors in there? Yes, lots. But for what it is and the depth of content, its an amazing resource.


As for the Leopard/Vista comparisons, I honestly think OSX is starting to pull away.... take a good long look at the list of 300+ features. Lots of them are useless to me or quite cheap ways of adding a checkbox. But there are so many good things in there. Leopard is shaping up to be a wonderful piece of refinement on what is already a leading consumer OS. Things like the web history search, Spaces/Expose, Screen sharing, PDF annotations, instant alpha, Quick Look etc all add up to big time savings and productivity enhancements both via tools available to the user and window/application management itself.

 

[SiliconAddict]

You do realize that Vista is based on Server 2003 which was a rewrite of Windows NT kernel from the ground up. Which is why at least 80% of the vulnerabilities in NT, 2K, XP don't apply to 2003 right? Right? Bueller? Bueller?

Well eventually M$

You just lost any credibility. Done.

What I mean is that on my Macbook, I can run any software I want made for any OS (as long as my hardware is up-to-scratch)...this just isn't possible on a Windows PC...

That's a policy decision. Not a technological one. OS X could EASILY run on any PC if apple would allow it. You can NOT fault Microsoft for a decision, right or wrong, made by Apple.