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Esco1199 if you are a programmer why do you need a tablet anyway? Why not just buy a MacBook/Air/Pro if you want Mavericks?
 
It wins against many others with cool factor, and 'i want it' desirability.

Who cares about those other things :)
 
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If your a student then there's 100% chance that you have a laptop with a full OS so laying down the student card has no weight in this discussion. I'll still bite though so here it is...we know you have a laptop but let's say you also have this new iPad. Before you walk out the door for the lecture you have a choice of your MacBook 13' or iPad pro 13'. Do I really need to go on about which one you choose to take notes with?
I have a laptop and I have a iPad. I kid you not. I guess i'm one of the few people who actually use iPad little more than laptop especially when I have only power point lectures and when I go out to do research (which I use my iPad to document my findings).

No..i'm not baiting you into a debate or whatever...but I do use little more than laptop..but that doesn't mean I don't use macbook pro.
 
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I have a laptop and I have a iPad. I kid you not. I guess i'm one of the few people who actually use iPad little more than laptop especially when I have only power point lectures and when I go out to do research (which I use my iPad to document my findings).

No..i'm not baiting you into a debate or whatever...but I do use little more than laptop..but that doesn't mean I don't use macbook pro.
I have both and more often than not only take the iPad as well (engineering and maths student).
 
I have a top of the line 15" rMBP with the m370x and I can tell you I use my iPad Air 2 every day while that sits with a weekly use or less. I'm highly considering an iPad Pro but I also wouldn't ditch the rMBP.
 
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Esco1199 if you are a programmer why do you need a tablet anyway? Why not just buy a MacBook/Air/Pro if you want Mavericks?

I currently own a MacBook Air and an iMac and was really hoping that apple would mimic the surface with the iPad pro and plus I've pretty much bashed this new iPad at least 10 in this thread. I don't understand how you came to conclusion that I want a tablet. My main gripe, and others in thread as well, is Apple should put OS X on this new iPad pro.
 
I currently own a MacBook Air and an iMac and was really hoping that apple would mimic the surface with the iPad pro and plus I've pretty much bashed this new iPad at least 10 in this thread. I don't understand how you came to conclusion that I want a tablet. My main gripe, and others in thread as well, is Apple should put OS X on this new iPad pro.
Why? You have a MacBook Air. You've said you don't want a tablet.

I really don't understand what you are complaining about?
 
Anyways I'm the OP and I just want to say I didn't mean to offend anyone. Some valid points came across but the best one is apple is afraid of hurting the MacBook sales if they put OS X on the iPad. The surface can get away with it because MS really doesn't have other products.

However, I still believe that surface type hybrids are the evolution of the tablet. Apple has been the first in almost every aspect of gadgets ipod, phone, watch (ehhh), pad, and just plain bringing sexy back to computers. The people at Apple are smarter than any of us but they must see that surface sales are brining in 1 billion dollars a quarter!!! You cannot ignore that a hybrid has a market base but Apple is afraid because it will effect MacBooks.

I don't see Apple as afraid of hurting Macbook sales; if it ran OS X it would effectively just be another Macbook of some sort and I'm sure they'd adjust their profit margins to compensate. A sale is a sale to them as long as they make the profit. They aren't putting OS X on the iPad because they are committed to building a touch first operating system that is separate from OS X. Putting OS X on the iPad would only happen if they were giving up on that strategy.

Microsoft's strategy is different, but it is no more clear that people are going to want converged devices in the long run. There are still large compromises in it as both a tablet and a laptop. And a billion dollar a quarter business is nothing to sneeze at, but Apple's declining iPad revenue is, IIRC, something like still 5x larger than that. It's no major threat.
 
Why? You have a MacBook Air. You've said you don't want a tablet.

I really don't understand what you are complaining about?

If your the only one in thread of 60 posts that has no idea what's going on don't blame me. If you want the skinny in in 1 sentence then refer to the 1st post in this thread and scroll down and read tldr.

Bottom is that this new iPad Pro has been rumored for a bit know, myself and others in the apple community where hoping that the iPad pro would be a hybrid meaning you could build a website in dreamweaver while editing photos in Photoshop and then a few seconds later you detach the keyboard and it goes Optimus prime and turns into a tablet. So yeah I'm a little po'd because who doesn't want 1 product that can serve as two products.

It's like the old saying freak in the sheets lady on the streets. Essentially the best of both worlds, who wouldn't want that? Instead they debut the same thing except they added a pen and a bigger screen.
 
I have a top of the line 15" rMBP with the m370x and I can tell you I use my iPad Air 2 every day while that sits with a weekly use or less. I'm highly considering an iPad Pro but I also wouldn't ditch the rMBP.

You'll need to give the iPad a full run of your tasks. I had to do this a month or so ago because my MacBook Pro died. I used my iPad for a week as my main computer and it was awful.
 
Some valid points came across but the best one is apple is afraid of hurting the MacBook sales if they put OS X on the iPad. The surface can get away with it because MS really doesn't have other products.

I would add to this that porting OS X to a tablet would be a huge task. Presumably, not only would it need to transfer it to a device with a completely different architecture, but it would have to modify it to work well with a touch device. Consider what Microsoft went through, redesigning their OS and in the process causing many of their customers to refuse to update to OS 8. It's not surprising to me that Apple would hesitate to devote so much work to something that is just one device in its product line.
 
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If it had support for a mouse, I could get by on an iPad.

* I can check and reply to email
* I can connect to meetings with the Webex app
* I can ssh into machines with an app
* I can do simple circuit edits by opening up VNC and connecting to a machine

And that pretty much covers everything for me. The only thing is using your finger instead of a mouse on VNC/EOD slows things down a lot.
 
I'm probably one of the biggest Apple fans you'll ever meet. I got fed up with all things Microsoft about 5 years ago, and I won't touch Android with a 10 foot pole. But I 100% agree with the OP.

People are going a little crazy for the iPad Pro because it's a new thing that Apple just announced, but what a lot of people are forgetting is that it's still an iPad. And yes, there is split screen mode and the new slide over feature and all that, but this is is still iOS we're talking about.

Way back in 2011 when I got my iPad 2, I swore off laptops forever. I got a Mac mini as a cheap desktop that could do most desktop type things for me, and I did everything else on the iPhone/iPad. Well, fast forward to 2015 and my Mac mini was no longer keeping up with my desktop type work. I tried to get my iPad Air to fill the void by sticking it in a keyboard case and after two weeks decided that iOS for productivity just absolutely sucks. And yes, I was even running a late beta of iOS 9 with some of the newer multi tasking features. I'm sure that Apple's keyboard probably works a little smoother than the one I had from Logitech, but sticking a keyboard on a mobile tablet OS does not make it a laptop.

As both my desktop and mobile computing needs have evolved, I have come to realize that there is logic behind why the tablet market is dying. In the end, my iPad Air sat in my backpack and was used 2 or 3 times a week for Netflix. Everything else I did on my Mac mini or iPhone. A lot of tablet users have become the same way. I think the tablet ended up being something people thought they needed but then realized that they're not all that amazing after all.

A lot of people say that Apple is good at figuring out things people don't know they want yet. I think that's false. I think Apple listens very closely to the whisperings of consumers on the internet to find out what they want, and then they take the Apple approach to making it real. This is how Jobs did it, and this is how the current Apple does it. Tablets were something people wanted to see Apple do for a long time, and Steve Jobs knew it. He created this market. And I think he might have been wrong. Tablet sales in general, including iPads, are WAY down because people are just using these things as Netflix screens. A bigger, far more expensive iPad is not going to change that. There are definitely use cases for it, but the typical user is not going to buy one.

I bought a rMBP a few weeks ago and sold my iPad and Mac mini. The combination of rMBP as my main computer, the iPhone 6 as my pocket computer, and the Apple Watch as my wrist computer is probably the best decision I've made since buying my iPad 2. I have to believe other people are thinking the same thing, because Mac sales are on the rise. iPad sales.....well......they're not.
 
The fact of the matter is that 99% of what you can do on a laptop CAN be done on the iPad Pro, it's just a matter of the apps being written for it. It has a full office suite in Microsoft Office. It will probably be able to do most of the graphics work once the Adobe apps are finished. Saying you can't replace a laptop with an iPad Pro show a complete lack of understanding of how powerful the tablet is. Editing three 4k video streams at the same time? I know a lot of laptops out there that would choke on that. I think until it is released and the apps start populating, you can't even begin to truly judge the power and flexability of the Pro. I was thinking of buying a Surface Pro 3, but I've mothballed the idea. I can do all my admin duties at work on my iPad mini or iPhone. And the fact that the iPad has a built in LTE option that the Surface Pro 3 doesn't offer? Sorry, the iPad Pro will be replacing my laptop.
 
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The fact of the matter is that 99% of what you can do on a laptop CAN be done on the iPad Pro, it's just a matter of the apps being written for it. It has a full office suite in Microsoft Office. It will probably be able to do most of the graphics work once the Adobe apps are finished. Saying you can't replace a laptop with an iPad Pro show a complete lack of understanding of how powerful the tablet is. Editing three 4k video streams at the same time? I know a lot of laptops out there that would choke on that. I think until it is released and the apps start populating, you can't even begin to truly judge the power and flexability of the Pro. I was thinking of buying a Surface Pro 3, but I've mothballed the idea. I can do all my admin duties at work on my iPad mini or iPhone. And the fact that the iPad has a built in LTE option that the Surface Pro 3 doesn't offer? Sorry, the iPad Pro will be replacing my laptop.

I agree with you, but some major hardware/software changes are going to have to be made to the iPad Pro for it to be taken seriously as a laptop. I do think those changes will eventually happen, but in its current iteration, I don't really think it's a serious "professional" device.
 
If they threw in at least a fully capable browser that can use all the plug-ins(except flash of course), then it might make a good replacement for some.

I used to play chess against people on a website that required a java plug-in. Wasn't able to do that on the iPad, but was able to do so with the BB Playbook with no issues. I wish everyone would stop with these crippled browsers and sites catering to it. I mostly use the desktop version of sites on iOS, Android, and WP. Would love to have a browser that was as good as I experienced on the BB Playbook.

I personally would be happier if they would kill Java. With all the security issues with Java (and Flash) I can fully understand browsers now wanting to support them.
 
I agree with you, but some major hardware/software changes are going to have to be made to the iPad Pro for it to be taken seriously as a laptop. I do think those changes will eventually happen, but in its current iteration, I don't really think it's a serious "professional" device.

How so? If the processor is as powerful as an i5 (which it sounds like it is), and the Pro has 4gb of ram, what exactly needs to change? Sure mouse support would be interesting, but beyond that with the use of cloud services for sharing files, exactly what is "needed"?
 
I personally would be happier if they would kill Java. With all the security issues with Java (and Flash) I can fully understand browsers now wanting to support them.

Java is not going anywhere anytime soon. It's the easiest to write, free, and very versatile.
 
The fact of the matter is that 99% of what you can do on a laptop CAN be done on the iPad Pro, it's just a matter of the apps being written for it. It has a full office suite in Microsoft Office. It will probably be able to do most of the graphics work once the Adobe apps are finished. Saying you can't replace a laptop with an iPad Pro show a complete lack of understanding of how powerful the tablet is. Editing three 4k video streams at the same time? I know a lot of laptops out there that would choke on that. I think until it is released and the apps start populating, you can't even begin to truly judge the power and flexability of the Pro. I was thinking of buying a Surface Pro 3, but I've mothballed the idea. I can do all my admin duties at work on my iPad mini or iPhone. And the fact that the iPad has a built in LTE option that the Surface Pro 3 doesn't offer? Sorry, the iPad Pro will be replacing my laptop.

But how come you have to jump through hoops in order to do something as simple as attaching a Word document or another file to an email? You can't save anything to the iPad's "desktop" because it doesn't have one. I have an iPad Air 2 and I use the iPad 95% of the time while 5% I use my MacBook Air. But with that being said, doing a simple attachment or running a torrent is just not ready for primetime on the iPad. It is best used as a consumption device (browsing the net, browsing movies, browsing photos).
 
It makes sense to me that the tablet market is getting saturated, but I don't think it's dying. This is just anecdotal, but most of my family members have ipads, and they're by no means tech enthusiasts. But most of them have older iPads, though my brother just recently got the Air 2. I'm very happy with my mini 2. I use it daily, taking it with me so my library is always at hand, and for GPS; a phone, even a larger one, wouldn't be a satisfying substitute for me. I don't expect my mini to be a laptop replacement; it's for reading, gps, and surfing the Internet and e-mail in places where a laptop would be cumbersome.

The iPad pro mildly interests me, as a device for note taking and annotating documents. But if I went that route, I think I'd consider the surface 3, for the benefits of a full os. But that's just me. I didn't see the point of the original iPad either (until it came out in the mini form factor), and that certainly was a success.
 
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But how come you have to jump through hoops in order to do something as simple as attaching a Word document or another file to an email? You can't save anything to the iPad's "desktop" because it doesn't have one. I have an iPad Air 2 and I use the iPad 95% of the time while 5% I use my MacBook Air. But with that being said, doing a simple attachment or running a torrent is just not ready for primetime on the iPad. It is best used as a consumption device (browsing the net, browsing movies, browsing photos).

Torrent? Exactly what would you use that for on an iPad except to steal media? I have no problem with attachments or Word on my iPhone or my iPad mini. I'm really not sure what your argument against an iPad as a full computer is.
 
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