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I actually completely agree with the MagSafe argument here. The sd card makes sense to me, but why the hell bring back MagSafe? I’m constantly having to plug it back in on my 2015, and any little upward pressure pops it out. Even a couple inches away from the machine on the cable. Ugh.
I think hdmi, sd card and magsafe arguments all falls into the same basket. Usbc is great, it is capable, small, and arguably beautiful compared to many legacy ports. Apple made a hard effort to push them, to get accepted by the masses. They should follow.
 
and yet they don't. When I owned a photography studio, SD cards, no matter how new or from what manufacturer, were always iffy. On PCs and Mac. Its an old technology, and was essentially obsolete eight years ago. I can't imagine what the hell apple was thinking adding them back into the mix. Every card has its own firmware, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. They all suck.

You can’t imagine what Apple was thinking? Really? I mean, it’s pretty simple: a crap ton of customers and professionals have been begging them for it for years.
 
Never said they weren’t great. I just see the value in also having other ports built in.
There certainly is value. I was defending the point that people shouldn’t just assume pros need sd card or hdmi ports to justify Apple adding the port when they themselves don’t need it. It is not a valid claim from them to defend Apple’s decision. Yes, there are people including pro users who wants it and was very vocal, but there are also people who don’t want it even with the need for it.
You, on the other hand, can state the point from your experience.
 
Or it could be a decision not to support a number of SD cards anymore with the new MacBooks. Or the SD card itself not being compatible with whatever hardware they've put into the new MacBooks.

Your evidence only underscores the reason why it's dumb going back to supporting this broken technology in any form.
Probably the last time you used an SD card was a 128megabite on your 2-megapixel digital camera in 2005. Sit down
 
Why apple added that ancient trash back into their MacBooks Ill never understand. What next, MacBook Pro with Zip drives? Apple always moved forward, until now, when they released a fancy 2013 MacBook Pro instead of a 2021 version.
Exactly, I almost want to quit Apple’s eco system with this release. This.. doesn’t feel right.
 
Rather than adding a port some people/pro uses, letting us chose which port usbc converts to is not a bad (and personally a superior) choice
You can still do that, just use an XQD or CFast dongle reader. The computer still has three universal ports to accommodate you.

SD is not "some" people; it is still the most common camera and wrong storage format.
 
Probably the last time you used an SD card was a 128megabite on your 2-megapixel digital camera in 2005. Sit down
Its apparent you dont know a lot about cameras, over half of the flagship full frame mirrorless cameras use SD for at least one of their slots, and almost all enthusiast cameras use SD.
 
You can still do that, just use an XQD or CFast dongle reader. The computer still has three universal ports to accommodate you.

SD is not "some" people; it is still the most common camera and wrong storage format.
Well most hubs include sd card readers anyway, and I bring one with me for some other ports macbook is lacking.
There is value added by incorporating an sd card slot, but not that much. Especially when it is uhs-ii and unreliable.
 
Of all the ports we need, SD didn’t seem to be one of them. I mean who doesn’t have a high quality card reader with them. I feel like what we really need are usb a slots. Becusee the whole world hasn’t gone usb c yet.
 
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Its apparent you dont know a lot about cameras, over half of the flagship full frame mirrorless cameras use SD for at least one of their slots, and almost all enthusiast cameras use SD.
A lot of them also offers usbc port.

See, I understand people want sd card slot, and I acknowledge its value.
It is the value it brings when the port doesn’t use the latest standard, and when we most likely still needs a hub anyways.
 
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Of all the ports we need, SD didn’t seem to be one of them. I mean who doesn’t have a high quality card reader with them. I feel like what we really need are usb a slots. Becusee the whole world hasn’t gone usb c yet.
If apple adds usb a back, we will almost never move to usbc
 
I don’t think that’s the case. Nobody wants extra wires so that is pushing people to consolidate towards usb c. But in the meantime we are still stuck with some peripherals that use usb a and more importantly flash drives.

If apple adds usb a back, we will almost never move to usbc
 
Actually I thought of this already. On several of my cards that work very slowly in the SD slot, I tried adjusting their position in the slot slightly, pushing in, out, up, down slightly, thinking it might be a bad contact. Made no difference. All work perfectly in three different card readers without hesitation. Also does not explain why the card is recognized, Finder sees all the files, but takes forever to read a file. 100 photos take half an hour to copy.

Cards are sometimes a problem. I have had two full size SD cards fail, and about five Micro-SD cards fail. This is in about 50TB of recordings. All are the "extreme" or "best" SD cards from brand names like Sony, Samsung and Sandisk (and bought from reputable merchants like B&H in order to avoid fakes).

Yes, those free Sandisk microSD adapters that come with the microSD cards are garbage.
I never said it would necessarily make the reader start working, just that if it did that would be evidence to go from. But with a card reader often the pins that are supposed to contact the pads on the card are so flimsy you can’t move the card in any way that would fix the weak contact and produce a better electrical path. The super slow reading is like when a card or HDD is actually failing and the OS takes forever to perform any operation on the media. But if that same card works fine in another reader it probably isn’t the issue. Remember that the reader hardware is interpreting analog electrical voltage levels as digital ones and zeros. A weak ground connection can totally throw off the ability to write or read valid “bits” to and from the card at the normal rate. From the perspective of the OS, the media will be acting as if it is “failing“ in various ways.

Cards do fail at times. I’ve had some old CF cards go bad. But I’m always going to be biased toward thinking the root cause of random weird problems like this is lack of a solid electrical connection. A couple of microns difference in wire gauge or a slightly different alloy can make the difference between stiff wires that can make solid contact reliably, and a worthless card reader.

It would be nice if this was some sort of firmware issue within the card reader or the drive, but I wouldn’t count on it being fixed with a software update. I think Apple will need to go with a different card reader vendor next time or force the current vendor to fix their design.

They weren’t the free USB card readers that come with some cards. They were both supposed to be high-speed USB 3.0 or 3.1 card readers. But the two Lexars work great and the two SanDisk readers were worthless. The only discernible difference? How hard they (the pins inside) gripped the card as they slid in and out.
 
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And yet other companies can make external card readers that "just work" with every card. Sigh, bring back those days for Apple.
But sometimes they don't just work. And sometimes the internal reader is slower, especially if your laptop is old. SD card readers are one of the few things I'd rather use a dongle for.

On my laptop, the SD card slot is only used with a semi-permanently inserted MicroSD adaptor that sits flush with the side to give me more storage cheaply.
 
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If apple adds usb a back, we will almost never move to usbc
We will almost never move to USB-C anyway unless they fix the problems with it. One of which is how rare it is for a USB-C hub to give you more fully-functional USB-C ports.

Until then, honestly USB-A is better and what I prefer to use. My machine now has USB-C, but I'm still buying -A accessories cause they cost less and don't use up a port that I can't cheaply get more of.
 
Well that explains why my card wasn’t working! Unfortunate that I waited years to finally get a MBP with a card slot only to continue to need a dongle.
 
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Its apparent you dont know a lot about cameras, over half of the flagship full frame mirrorless cameras use SD for at least one of their slots, and almost all enthusiast cameras use SD.
No... you misread my post. I'm replying to the guy who said SD cards aren't relavant anymore. They definitely are and will be for many years to come.
 
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