Why not use other Apple devices like an iPad or Apple TV? Why exclusively the HomePod mini which can be seen as a competitor for Sonos.
That is not what they were talking about.
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Sonos Complains About Apple's Restrictions on Third-Party Siri Access in Antitrust Hearing
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In about seven months, I was going to buy around 20 sonos devices for a new home I’m building.
Now that I know they are ungrateful, and not in the matter project, It will be about zero.
Time to start searching for alternatives.
Now that I know they are ungrateful, and not in the matter project, It will be about zero.
Time to start searching for alternatives.
As if Sonos development cycle wasn't slow enough. Now we have to wait for this antitrust business to pass through the system. Hopefully, R&D is still prototyping in parallel.
Siri on Sonos in 2023?
Siri on Sonos in 2023?
I am "shook" that an Apple Super Fan did not know these feature has been available for a few months. You have to set it up in the Alexa app.
Play Apple Music with Alexa - Apple Support
If you're an Apple Music subscriber, you can ask Alexa to play songs, artists, playlists, and more from Apple Music or playlists from your library.
Apple should have bought Sonos rather than making homepod.
Actually before Apple bought it you could get a Sanza media player that the back was liquid metal. It was a great little device and I had a 16 gig one with a sd slot with a 128 gig memory card. It looked like new from 2006-2012 when I finally got rid of it.
I see the committee was headed up by Amy Klobuchar. Nothing against Amy, but I don't think she and her committee know enough about technology to be deciding what is good for tech businesses and consumers. If Sonos can't out innovate Apple, Google or Amazon then that's on them.
Although in the first quote Lazarus may have a point, and it gets compounded IF Apple introduces new headphones or an amp for use of Lossless Hi Res Audio to HomePod or new speakers they make I’m not sure he’s fully on point end to end.
first he doesn’t understand the concept of Trojan horse in his quote. At least how I read it in this macrumors article, may be out of context.
I think Apple‘s stance here may be security related: on device audio processing. No more uploading you voice recorded in the cloud which for some use cases could screw an end user over BIG time if recorded and manipulated via an third party AI (such as online bank voice authorization when you call you bank support). So UNLESS third party smart speaker makers like Soni’s can prove their smart speakers with multiple voice services does NOT send your voice to not only Siri but also to say Amazon, Google or etc (they’ll always be open to changing their business practice with just a notification email to end users, I’m sceptical the complaint on this.
I mean Sonos is NOT in the home control business their in music and smart speaker business to stream music services or audible services primarily. nothing else. So they really shouldn’t be complaining. Yes they also now make car speakers for to auto manufacturers but it’s till small fry game at this point. sonos should NOT be a hub for you’re entire home appliances anymore that your philips Hue setup should be the hub of your smart home components.
maybe if Apple changed the hub to AppleTV again OR to your iPad or iPhone then they’d cannot complain. Then again it’s always about complaining something they wanted and didn’t know they can have until someone else had done it first.
im holding off purchasing the Roam to see what Ultimate Ears Boom can do with wifi. $249CAN is a LOT to drop in a lake this summer for a great AirPlay2 speaker that cannot float, and i doubt Wi-Fi affects that.
You forgot Epic, even though I still don’t agree with you.Here we go again, but now all the fanboys can add Sonos to the list of companies that they hate. I wonder if I missed any.
Amazon: Bad
Google: Bad
Microsoft: Bad
Samsung: Bad
Sonos: Bad
Spotify: Bad
Tile: Bad
Apple: Gods.
Apple built their platform to work as a walled garden. Some people, including myself, like it that way. It’s clean, complex yet uncluttered, and 99% of the time “just works”.
I don’t hate those companies. I hate that Apple spends a ton of R&D money each year on making their platform, decide to continue to do things their way (since their typical customer likes the way Apple does it), and they get taken to court by a bunch of companies that feel like they’re owed more.
No, having more and more choices isn’t necessarily a good thing. Typically every added choice comes with added code. With more code typically comes the potential for more bugs, potentially more user hassle and potentially more security holes. As such I’m (a happy member of the “walled garden team”) looking for a balance between availability and optimum functionality and EoU. And if you and the rest of the anti Apple eco team prefer the code and eco that’s open to it all/as much as possible? You have a very clear and very available choice elsewhere.
Ultimately why you and the rest of your team are adamant Apple shouldn’t do it their way and must do it the other guy’s way? That one’s for an episode of unsolved mysteries.
I agree that there is no reason to defend the walled garden approach as a consumer. But on the other hand, it's understandable that the companies that have spent money developing voice assistant will want to make sure it helps them make money. Sonos seems to want to get all of the benefit without having to put in anything for R&D in that department.
I had sold all my Sonos the moment they moved to unsafe paths on purpose. Therefore, Sonos opinion is simply ridiculous. You can't go down a wrong path and then whine about not getting back together with Apple.
And you don’t think it benefits Apple in any way, shape, or form to have Sonos support Airplay and Apple Music? It’s a two-way street.
The only difference is Apple doesn’t feel like they need to reciprocate. How’d that walled garden work out for the HomePod?
Thank you for succinctly identifying the issue here. How many posts did I have to wade through to find this simple explanation of why SIRI cannot work directly on other hardware? Sonos knows this to be a fact and yet make the complaint knowing most people will not actually think about the reasons (see the majority of posts here).
I do love that one of the complaints, and it is a valid one, is that Google and Amazon sell their products at a loss because they make their real money selling your data. What I love is that they include Apple in this complaint. Apple is not a company generally associated with selling ANY hardware at a loss.
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No doubt that is a plausible argument. But I think the overlooked item is Apple (stubbornly, for better or worse) closes it own self out too. Repeatedly Apple could have integrated products/services with others to increase sales (sometimes potentially dramatically). You read up on Apple products you’ll often hear ‘a big downside is you need to have an i-Device’. The amount of short term business Apple has passed up that Google (and sometimes Amazon/others) has been happy to scoop up with cross platform interop is probably quite large. In this specific instance, requiring the Apple speaker probably significantly lessens Apple’s sales. In the immediate short term on this product Apple itself loses business by being stubbornly closed
I believe Apple sees it (rightly or wrongly) as their closed engineering loop will ultimately provide the much better and secure user experience and EoU. Ultimately this has been and is Apple’s way. Some like it, some don’t, some insist Apple must change their way. it’s that last phrase that I see as problematic.
I know. That is all I see here is how bad Siri sucks. I have never have heard any problems with Siri personally but I’m sure others. That said, I ask pretty basic questions no esoteric stuff someone would need a slide rule and abacus to solve. It has got better at least for the straight questions. I use to get here is what I found on the web a lot in the past but not so much now.
Siri is the worst digital assistant to be sure but when Apple don't allow another digital assistant the same integration as Siri it makes it very clear that despite Siri's deficiency it is sometimes the only way to get a certain task done on your iDevices.
If only you had taken taken two second to do a google search and see that you can do that with AM and echo devices. Spotify kind of sucks in my opinion. Tons of garbage tracks, treat artists like ****, can also contain all your purchase music in a simple way. AM has millions more tracks and spatial audio and lossless at the same price is killer. Spotify badly needs to make money and planned on charging more for lossless. Whoops. Oh and AM is easier to share with family and better priced plus it $99 for one year.
It depends on what you use it for. I’ve used all of them and prefer Siri for privacy and a much better app. I do typed searches so I don’t care about looking things up by voice. I’m getting tired of So os is constant whining. I spent about 4K on Sonos after Apple discontinted the HomePod. Apple should just buy them
Plus you can already use Siri with Sonos which I do all the time.
At this point, this is akin to asking “what is preventing you from creating your own state, your own country, your own government”
No big loss from my perspective. As a Sonos owner I cringe every time I have to use Siri. No way I’d enable it on my Sonos speakers.
So in order to support this request you feel it is reasonable to require Apple to completely re-architect Siri, port the code from their neural engine implementation and figure out how to do this in a way that maintains privacy (despite it requiring that the voice itself be processed off the device, making it potentially subject to subpoena)? Just so I understand, since Apple would never use this service itself, I presume you would be OK with them charging these devices for all their development and operations costs?
What demands would Apple put on the device that would have anything to do with these requirements?
Since you seem not to understand, they are not sold out waiting for result, they are discontinued and no longer available. They sold out quickly when it was announced they were discontinued and many people who like them bought additional units.
In other words, this restriction cannot have anything to do with HomePod sales, as there will be no more HomePod sales, and this feature was not announced until well after they were almost complete sold out.
There are many different versions of Siri and only the version in the HomePod/HomePod Mini is designed to work without a screen. The others often respond by displaying text on the screen.
Great to hear. You should contact Sonos and explain this to them, so they will understand that it clearly does not matter since you do not want it. That should solve their whole problem and get them to withdraw their complaints.
Ah Sonos, how we loved you……10 years ago when you were relevant.
You‘ve since gone out of your way to push away historic customers. Obsoleted and attempted to block old hardware. Degraded your software with each release, until it’s a function-starved lamentable mess. Lobotomised the desktop software. Stalled on any Apple Music and other integration improvements.
Of course it’s always been someone else’s fault.
You‘ve since gone out of your way to push away historic customers. Obsoleted and attempted to block old hardware. Degraded your software with each release, until it’s a function-starved lamentable mess. Lobotomised the desktop software. Stalled on any Apple Music and other integration improvements.
Of course it’s always been someone else’s fault.