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A crap camera will never take a great picture, despite the hands it is in. It might take something vaguely enigmatic on some level, but with bad lens, inability to capture colors, or faulty mechanics/electronic, it will be nothing more than a crippling piece of equipment.

A good photographer can frame, layer, focus the subject, and compose well. Yes, you don't need a "good" camera for those qualities, but you need a well-creafted camera to back up and improve on the photographer's skills.

Sorry to say, but your are mistaken. People have been taking phenomenal photos without the cameras sold today. Cameras of yesterday were not as accurate nor precise as they are today, yet incredible photos have been taken for quite some time. How is that?
 
The high-end Nikon sensors are not Sony's.

"While it's widely known that Nikon uses sensors principally designed by Sony in many of its digital SLRs, the D3/D700 sensor is an original Nikon design that is manufactured not by Nikon but by an unspecified sensor fabricator. Prior to the D3, the only other digital SLR models to also feature a sensor created by Nikon were the D2H and D2Hs, and as with those models, Nikon isn't revealing their manufacturing partner for the new sensor. It has a pixel pitch of 8.45µm and utilizes 12-channel readout."

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-9311-9483


I said the following

They make all of Nikons sensors, even the high end D3S and D3X dSLRs ones.

Actually, if you read what he says, he does not say what you think he is saying. The point you are missing is who designs Nikon sensors and who makes Nikon sensors. Yes, Nikon does the design work on many of its sensors, however, the creation (who 'makes' them as I said in my original post) is usually Sony.

Below is a quote FROM NIKON talking about the D3X, the most high en dSLR camera tat Nikon currently offers...

The Nikon D3X’s 24.5-megapixel FX-format (35.9 x 24.0mm) CMOS sensor was developed expressly for the D3X in accordance with Nikon’s stringent engineering requirements and performance standards, with final production executed by Sony. Featuring refined low-noise characteristics, 12 and 14 bit output, Live View capability and more, the D3X’s unique sensor design was carefully blueprinted to perform in perfect concert with proprietary Nikon technologies including EXPEED Image Processing and the Scene Recognition System. Meticulous efforts allowed the sensor to become one of the many essential components and technologies which contribute to the D3X’s superior image fidelity


http://www.slashgear.com/nikon-d3x-sensor-is-manufactured-by-sony-1025827/
 
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No offense but its obvious you know nothing about photography. Your statement is 100% incorrect.

I guess these are bad pictures then if good pictures can't be taken without top of the line equipment:

To be fair, you are cherry picking. He said the following after that statement.

A good photographer can frame, layer, focus the subject, and compose well. Yes, you don't need a "good" camera for those qualities, but you need a well-creafted camera to back up and improve on the photographer's skills.

That is exactly right, at least in my experience.
 
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This MP war reminds me of this:
http://bit.ly/9oKMsO
 
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Why such a great camera on the iphone and such loser ones on the ipad?

Here we go again with the pixel complaints.

The ipad or for that matter iphone is NOT a camera.
If you want to take pictures of professional quality, buy a stand alone camera that does that.

Higher quality of anything initially costs more, until what was once high becomes the standard due to mass production.

It initially costs more, because production output is less, flaws needs to be ironed out, the production process refined etc.

How difficult is that to understand?.
 
The Iphone 4 camera takes amazing shots right now. If this is actually an improvement, then it would rock.


But since these boards screamed at all of us non camera experts last time for thinking that mega pixels mean a better picture, I will wait to hear about the quality.
 
They make all of Nikons sensors, even the high end D3S and D3X dSLRs ones. They also made (or make?) Canon point and shoot sensors; at least as of a few years ago. Sony was one of the first with backlit CMOS as well.

Oh, and I think Pentax, if you want to consider them a camera compay, uses Sony sensors.

Mostly. They fabricate Nikon's sensors and most of their non-pro ones are pretty much identical but the pro level sensors are Nikon's design on Sony's base layers. Also Nikon custom designs the image pipelines and A/D converters. Even so, Sony, Kodak, and Canon are the biggest fabricators for image sensors.

Sony's problems in the market place come from bungling, a not-so-great lens mount and poor positioning against the two big players.
 
Man that new camera is going to look huge on the back of the phone if they don't make it bigger.
 
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Hmm, a better camera? Well I never...
Seriously though, I just hope this megapixel bump comes with improvements to the sensor...that's why the iP4 camera looks better than the 8MP Evo
 
I do hope if they are going to up the megapixelage for marketing purposes, they at least give us more memory in the base configuration to handle all the extra space the photos are gonna waste.

Unless of course Sony has secretly created the greatest sensor in the history of the world and the 8MP can be justified. That would be nice.
 
Here we go again with the pixel complaints.

The ipad or for that matter iphone is NOT a camera.
If you want to take pictures of professional quality, buy a stand alone camera that does that.

Higher quality of anything initially costs more, until what was once high becomes the standard due to mass production.

It initially costs more, because production output is less, flaws needs to be ironed out, the production process refined etc.

How difficult is that to understand?.

So why not fit the Proven iPhone4 camers in the iPad then?
The cost had been ramped down due to the camera being out virtually a year, so it's all done and dusted and just needed fitting.
Price wise about $5 dollars more.

I can't see any real reason to hold it back apart from a deliberate ploy to fit something bad to give people a strong reason to upgrade to iPad3.

Unless there are negatives in doing so, Price, Weight etc? Why deliberately fit something bad?
 
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Hmm, a better camera? Well I never...
Seriously though, I just hope this megapixel bump comes with improvements to the sensor...that's why the iP4 camera looks better than the 8MP Evo
I would guess that if they bump the iPhone's camera there is some other benefit since Apple generally doesn't play the specs game. Is 8MP enough for decent 1080p video?
 
I would guess that if they bump the iPhone's camera there is some other benefit since Apple generally doesn't play the specs game. Is 8MP enough for decent 1080p video?

I didn't think Steve Jobs rated 1080p?

Has he not said that 720p is good enough for everyone in his opinion?
 
Still a September launch?

Wouldn't it be a little early to be ramping up production for a September launch?

Would this in any way make it more likely that the iPhone 5 is on track for a launch closer to its normal release window?
 
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Then get a Xoom.
 
I didn't think Steve Jobs rated 1080p?

Has he not said that 720p is good enough for everyone in his opinion?
He also said no one wants to watch video or read on a mobile device. When Jobs says no one wants something or this is good enough it almost certainly means they're working on something better. At the very least it's just marketing for the current time.
 
I do hope if they are going to up the megapixelage for marketing purposes, they at least give us more memory in the base configuration to handle all the extra space the photos are gonna waste.

Unless of course Sony has secretly created the greatest sensor in the history of the world and the 8MP can be justified. That would be nice.

+1

We need 64GB as an option here.
8MP would be nice but I hope it's gonna be a good quality sensor as well.
 
Why such a great camera on the iphone and such loser ones on the ipad?

What are you talking about? iPad has a great built in webcam.


Oh, you want to carry it around to use as a still camera?? Do you do that with your macbook's isight??
 
Adobe flash... HA!

The wizards at Apple can't even make a mobile device that will run that load of crap. I hope that crap-ware never makes it into any IOS based products.

Then the "wizards" have a problem, because it runs fine on dual core android devices. If they can't even implement a "click to flash" scenario on the Cortex A9+SGX543MP, then they have serious programming problems.
 
So why not fit the Proven iPhone4 camers in the iPad then?
The cost had been ramped down due to the camera being out virtually a year, so it's all done and dusted and just needed fitting.
Price wise about $5 dollars more.

I can't see any real reason to hold it back apart from a deliberate ploy to fit something bad to give people a strong reason to upgrade to iPad3.

Unless there are negatives in doing so, Price, Weight etc? Why deliberately fit something bad?

The negatives in doing so are Steve Jobs' and Johnny Ive's egos.

Stuffing the Iphone4 camera into the Ipad2 would have required them to increase the overall depth of the unit to accommodate it. Then again with the laughably piss poor camera app implementation on the Ipad it's a wonder anyone wants to take photo stills with it at all. Hold it lengthwise (which seems to be the natural position that everyone tries to hold it in every review, and should be the natural position since it's widescreen) and the UI rotates to the bottom, meaning there's no way to touch the "capture" button without letting go of it with one hand.
 
Opinions are good things huh....

my iphone produces some ok photos but also produces a large volume of absolute ***** ones.

The higher mp may not mean muhc, but hopefully they will be improving the optics/sensor while at it. The nokia n8 may be a fugly symbian^3 abomination, but the sensor combined with the carl zeiss optics produces some really nice photos, even in low light.

You can also use the hdmi out for flipping throuhg photos, and not just the fakin stupid slideshow like the hdmi adapter on the iphone4

I'm not sure you're being serious, but here's a serious response nonetheless.

Indeed, opinions are great when they agree with every single review of the phone. The iPhone 4 has even been compared with the N8, and low light is exactly where it does best. In good lighting, the N8's 8 MP and obviously suitable optics can produce a great photo, but is plenty of circumstances, the iPhone 4 has the upper hand simply because it uses fewer, larger pixels.

And what does HDMI have to do with the photo sensor? It sounds like you just wish you had a Nokia N8 instead of an iPhone 4, or am I misunderstanding your tone?
 
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