Sony Confirms 'Sound Forge Pro' Coming to Mac

[Noiseboy]

Anyway....

This whole thing has been driving me INSANE waiting

I really really really want CD Architect for Mac.

The very second it's available, I own it (As long as I can use my Waves plugs)[/QUOTE]

Yep, I'm done with the waiting thing now too, just release it already, I'll forgo the next batch of teaser trailers. I have cash gagging to be spent. And yes, my Waves had better work too though I feel sure they will.

 

[citi]

As long as I can use my Waves plugs

I am SO done with Waves. Never again.

WUP WUP!

 

[TableSyrup]

I am SO done with Waves. Never again.

WUP WUP!

Not only in my opinion, but also in my extensive experience, Waves Update Program (WUP) is the greatest thing offered by ANY software company!!!!

What's to complain about???????

http://waves.com/content.aspx?id=9416&l=4

No matter how many individual plugs or bundles you have in your account, you will NEVER pay more than $200 to renew your WUP (Non-Overlapping). Extremely fair to say the least.

That doesn't even need to cost you $200 per 1 year term, ONLY $200 each time you WANT/NEED TO UPDATE your plugs to the NEWEST version, which also ALWAYS includes new 'FREE' plugins added to your bundle.

So you think this is bad?

Yeah right.... Pro Tools upgrades to new versions cost more than that, upgrades to new versions of Adobe softwares cost WAAAAAY more than that.....

So to be able to update/upgrade your plugs to a new version, for a new OS, or new version of Pro Tools or others, for only $200 and it includes new Plugins added to your bundle???

I've never been happier with a software company. If they were Adobe, it would cost me more like $800-900 for an upgrade.

Fair deal to me, and I get more plugs every time I need to (Only once every couple years)

 

[citi]

because you shouldn't have to. Every time PT updates they want me to drop $200? They are the ONLY plugin company I use that doesn't continously update free of charge. I don't care about some random plugs they throw in to justify the cost, I should not have to pay again after I have already paid 1000$. It's silly, it's greedy and I will not support it.

To each his own.

 

[milo]

No matter how many individual plugs or bundles you have in your account, you will NEVER pay more than $200 to renew your WUP (Non-Overlapping).

This policy is very recent. For years, the cost of upgrading would go up and up and up, in some cases approaching the original price of the software in the first place. And while it's great for people with big expensive bundles, for people with just a few Waves plugs, that $200 can be very high compared to the original price.

Glad they changed their policy (and finally updated some Waves that I had abandoned and hadn't used in a long time). But we'll see if they stick with that or change back to something more like the old WUP, time will tell.

And many companies do compatibility updates for free, I have lots of plugins I bought years ago and haven't spent another cent since, all updates have been free. Waves current plan just looks good in comparison to their previous horrible plan.

 

[xbjllb]

You can master quite easily from Logic.

Of course you can. But...

Logic takes two minutes to fire up, and my logic projects take at least five minutes to load in on top of that.

On the contrary, I can load in the completed file into Peak (and soon, Sound Forge) and trim the front and save to aiff and export to mp3 (to check and mail to colleagues) before it would have even loaded in in Logic. So it's more of a convenience issue.

Also, loading in twelve separate tracks into Logic and switching back and forth (with the load-in times) just to get the flow of a CD or compare relative volume/spectral shape of tracks is also ridiculous compared to a mastering program. Yes, you can do that in iTunes, but you can't make any changes in the files.

That's the basic difference; convenience for doing different tasks, and everyone's mileage varies.



P.S. And don't get me started on pos "subscription" software and plugs. I won't have waves on my system after buying ONE plug that "expired", and with UAD I don't need it. I'll decide when to upgrade, thanks very much. Give Peak credit; their plugs will work until Apple screws something else up. And their repli-q is invaluable when you need it.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Of course you can. But...

Logic takes two minutes to fire up, and my logic projects take at least five minutes to load in on top of that.

5 minutes? Wow. I've got songs over 5 minutes long with over 25 tracks in them and they take maybe 30-40 seconds to load on my MBP (specs in signature). Logic takes maybe 20 seconds to load here.

Also, loading in twelve separate tracks into Logic and switching back and forth (with the load-in times) just to get the flow of a CD or compare relative volume/spectral shape of tracks is also ridiculous compared to a mastering program. Yes, you can do that in iTunes, but you can't make any changes in the files.

I agree that's a PITA in Logic, but my project took over 2 years on/off to complete since I do everything myself from writing to playing to mixing mastering and I had plenty of time to compare relative levels as I finished each song. Generally, I used an AppleTV in the same room to test and preview the tracks from iTunes in multiple rooms/systems for any issues with different speakers plus headphones on an iPod Touch and my care stereo. I wanted the album to sound good on everything, not just one type of speaker. Generally, if it sounded good on the high-end system, it sounded good on everything, although I did make a few mixing changes since the soundstaging is different on the main system with dipoles and wit Sonic Holography turned on (similar to the effect that happens in Dolby IIX Music mode on my home theater system; the sound stage wraps around and I wanted it to sound good in both straight stereo and those modes as well).

But yeah, Logic could use a mode to compare outputs of bounced files (mastering module). That would speed things up. OTOH, I'm not sure Sound Forge is worth MORE money than Logic just to do that. It's like charging more for an oil change than for the car itself, although I suppose one could say that Logic is simply dirt cheap at this stage. It'd be nice if I could dump DTS music mixes directly from Logic as well, but I suppose that's a $$$ licensing cost and very few buy DTS surround music anyway. Just an extra step, anyway.

P.S. And don't get me started on pos "subscription" software and plugs. I won't have waves on my system after buying ONE plug that "expired", and with UAD I don't need it. I'll decide when to upgrade, thanks very much. Give Peak credit; their plugs will work until Apple screws something else up. And their repli-q is invaluable when you need it.

I'll assume those comments were directed at someone else since I don't use 3rd party plugins other than added software synth sounds.

 

[milo]

5 minutes?

Depends on the song. With just audio tracks sessions generally load fast, but with big sample libraries (particularly orchestral stuff) loads can take a long time, sometimes much longer than 5 minutes.


For someone who is working on personal projects with no deadlines, SF isn't going to be that appealing. But for people doing it for a living with tons of time pressure, it's worth every penny easily.

 

[Noiseboy]

Officially released

What really is becoming annoying is that according to a lot a trade press Sony released it on September 7th, it costs $299, but there is nothing on the Sony Creative software site about it, not even with a site search.
Come on Sony, at least get a demo up there.

 

[HurtinMinorKey]

will they intergrate this into logic the way it was integrated into Acid Pro? I could be used as a pluggin or a stand-alone for .Wav editing.

 

[nrajack]

SF Pro Mac is out

Yes Soundforge Pro for Mac is out but save your money, especially if you're used to SF on a Windoze OS. There's a bunch of processes/plugs that were in SF Win that are not in SF Mac:
Wave Hammer
Acoustic Mirror
Batch converter/processor
Noise Reduction Sony plugs
CD burning
and more.

On the other hand there are some Izotope plugs for mastering but they can't be demoed at this time.

There are various threads about it on the Sony Soundforge forums http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/

Not a mature product by any means.

 

[nrajack]

No need for Sound Forge, Logic is enough for me

You obviously have no concept of what Soundforge can do; there's no daw that can really do a decent job of waveform editing like a specialized product can do. Not saying Logic, ProTools, or any other daw can't do a rudimentary job; they just can get to as fine a point that SF can.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

You obviously have no concept of what Soundforge can do; there's no daw that can really do a decent job of waveform editing like a specialized product can do. Not saying Logic, ProTools, or any other daw can't do a rudimentary job; they just can get to as fine a point that SF can.

Maybe he does have a concept and you just have an issue with people expressing their opinion.

I made my entire album just fine without a separate waveform editor, thank you very much.

 

[nrajack]

Maybe he does have a concept and you just have an issue with people expressing their opinion.

I made my entire album just fine without a separate waveform editor, thank you very much.

I have no problem with people expressing an opinion although you seem to have that problem. He expressed his, however weird that it was, and I expressed mine. Wasn't asking for someone's opinion. I was just passing on what I found out about SF mac and to save people from wasting their money on it. Guess I shouldn't have wasted my time posting and trying to help.

 

[xbjllb]

Until there's a Snow Leopard Version, they've lost this sale

Very disappointed that Sony choose to implement it on and require a problem-plagued dumbed-down buggy toy iOS version of X that most pros are avoiding like the plague because of little third-party support from audio interface makers and performance hits and the need for a PRO OS to do reliable pro work.

Lost this instant sale.

 

[nrajack]

Very disappointed that Sony choose to implement it on and require a problem-plagued dumbed-down buggy toy iOS version of X that most pros are avoiding like the plague because of little third-party support from audio interface makers and performance hits and the need for a PRO OS to do reliable pro work.

Lost this instant sale.

I asked Sony people about this in their forum and one replied that they used some software features only available in Lion and ML that weren't available in Snow Leopard. If it's truly Universal Binary then what's the difference unless Sony is using some some of the finger gesture support that's in those two versions of OSX. I got a finger gesture for them and it ain't nice

I too would have been an instant sale as I've been using SF since back at SF6 - now have SF9 as SF10 doesn't do enough different for me to make the switch.

 

[milo]

Wave Hammer
Acoustic Mirror
Batch converter/processor
Noise Reduction Sony plugs
CD burning
and more.

Those are huge omissions. They have the potential to sell a ton of copies to mac users, but those are deal breakers. Until they get feature parity I can't imagine many existing users making the switch.

And not only that, it looks like their 30 day demo can't even count right. I'm already down to 10 days of demo, downloaded it five days ago.

 

[TableSyrup]

Those are huge omissions.

Yeah. Massive. Epic Fail.

How u gonna make an authoring editor, without the ability to burn CD's????? WTF???

It gives me a small glimpse of hope, that maybe they have CD Architect coming....

In the meantime, I tried WineBottler.... Got it running, tested on my MacBook, but can't get Audio off the internal speakers, or a firewire interface. Fail.

On the PC side, you have to patch CDA with MME Helper.... so I might do some more testing. Might be able to actually get her working... then the next trick will be getting plugs. (For Avid/Digi)

Honestly... I really think it's maybe more effort than it's worth.... at this point it's more of a curiosity.... but I won't be wasting a ton of time with it.

Using DSP Quattro .... feels weird.... feels like Peak.... don't like it.... but then.... there aren't any other options out there that I do like.

As I mentioned before, I do not want to run via Fusion or Parallels or the like.
I have my reasons for not running windows to do this, and they are not financial.
There are even free solutions.
And, maybe this will benefit someone else, all stuff I learned since Friday.

Virtual Box - https://www.virtualbox.org/
(Like Fusion or Parallels, only, it's FREE)

WineBottler - http://winebottler.kronenberg.org/
(Patches EXE's into two methods - bundled app, or app that runs in Wine - on top of X11, FREE)

I couldn't get CDA running properly on WineBottler,
but I am going to try Crossover tonight, before spending more time with WB

CrossOver - http://www.codeweavers.com/products/
(Like WB, but it's $60.... worth giving it a go with the FREE TRIAL)

 

[nrajack]

Yeah. Massive. Epic Fail.

How u gonna make an authoring editor, without the ability to burn CD's????? WTF???

It gives me a small glimpse of hope, that maybe they have CD Architect coming....

In the meantime, I tried WineBottler.... Got it running, tested on my MacBook, but can't get Audio off the internal speakers, or a firewire interface. Fail.

On the PC side, you have to patch CDA with MME Helper.... so I might do some more testing. Might be able to actually get her working... then the next trick will be getting plugs. (For Avid/Digi)

Never had to patch CD Architect on my Windoze machine - 5.2d (which is the last version Sony did and that was literally years ago) runs fine. Why did you have to patch it? Not trying to pick a fight but curious as to why.

One of the biggest hassles with CDA is DX plugs only - can't use vst plugs. Would be nice to have had vst plugs usable in the Win version. The Mac version does support vst and AU. RTAS - forget about it, but then again that's going away when PT11 comes out as PT10 is the last to support RTAS & TDM. AAX is Avid's new plug format so they can go 64 bit.

Not to derail this thread but Waves has said no AAX dsp support and they don't know when they'll be doing AAX native support either.

 

[TableSyrup]

Never had to patch CD Architect on my Windoze machine - 5.2d (which is the last version Sony did and that was literally years ago) runs fine. Why did you have to patch it? Not trying to pick a fight but curious as to why.

One of the biggest hassles with CDA is DX plugs only - can't use vst plugs. Would be nice to have had vst plugs usable in the Win version. The Mac version does support vst and AU. RTAS - forget about it, but then again that's going away when PT11 comes out as PT10 is the last to support RTAS & TDM. AAX is Avid's new plug format so they can go 64 bit.

Not to derail this thread but Waves has said no AAX dsp support and they don't know when they'll be doing AAX native support either.

I didn't type it out very clear. For use with Avid/Digi hardware.
Maybe it isn't necessary with the newer versions of drivers, but I've just always installed MME Helper since I needed to.

I've been on Pro Tools for a LONG time.

Used to be, and may still be, that CDA would not use the drivers for Avid/Digi hardware natively... lots of stuff was that way, which is why Rail John Rogut wrote MME Helper... CDA was even in the list by default.....

Yeah, it sucked that Waves just up and decided to drop DX support once they moved to V6.... really upset me.... and while they allowed me duplicate licenses (V5 and V6) it was a pain cause they can't coexist on the same OS Install.... ugggghhhhh.....

I plan on just continuing with Quattro for now. Very reluctantly.

As far as Avid going to AAX, I am well aware... and as far as Waves only making Native versions, I personally don't need the DSP so it's ok - running FW Racks, and Native Card - with a 5,1 MP with a 5770 SSD's and 32 GB RAM... plenty of nuts to get my work done... I usually only hit upward of 64 tracks.... my machine has plenty of GoGo for it , even with tons of Waves plugs in my sessions. (Waves did confirm AAX, but yes, no hard timeline, but I was told 'soon' by waves directly... when soon is, well, that's anyones guess)

I'll quit pinging this thread now... just thought the software info I listed may help someone.... but I see that this discussion (my discussion) is better suited in the Windows on Mac area here..... I may take up a thread over there.... if anyone is interested in trying to get CDA going without a Virtual Machine setup, let me know and I'll get a thread going that is dedicated to it. So far as I can tell, nobody else involved in the WineHQ Project ever got it to install, and I did, and their last attempts appear to have been back in 2008, and before v5.2d and newer versions of Wine.

Anyway. Done. Sorry